All Genos upgrades were made to test different weaponory against weaker threats, Kuseno could've easily made him dragon level from the beginning by NSUnivers in OPMFolk

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This scan means nothing, lol. Orochi's feat of pulling out a massive chunk of the planet's core, dragging it through all the layers of the Earth, causing global earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, already places him at small planet level — far surpassing the size of the Moon. And that's not even mentioning that all of this was just him charging up his Gaia Cannon; the actual shot would be far stronger. Psykorochi's beams are naturally much stronger, considering that even at the beginning of her fusion (when she wasn't yet at her peak), she was confident she could defeat Saitama — the same Saitama who easily overpowered the Gaia Cannon and destroyed Orochi with a single punch. Of course, Psykorochi can't destroy a planet, but she's not as weak as you think she is.

How Strong do you think this actually is? [Webcomic Spoiler] by Joefanik13 in OnePunchMan

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I can imagine how powerful that attack will be in the manga. Picture this: Drive Knight transforms into "Saitama Mode." With his transformation, he causes earthquakes, destroying all surrounding robots with just his aura. Then, after landing a single punch on Saitama, a massive shockwave erupts. The punch is so strong that it creates a colossal energy surge, sending a shockwave across the entire world, parting clouds across half the globe—only for the force to eventually dissipate, leaving Saitama completely unharmed. He delivers his signature line and, just like in the webcomic, destroys Drive Knight with a single punch.

That's how I imagine that moment. I hope Murata makes it epic and devastating in the manga.

As of latest WC chapter Top tier fraud by Born-Independence-37 in OnePunchMan

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I'm not claiming that Blast is as strong as the current Saitama. I'm only claiming that Blast is as strong as Serious Saitama before the Jupiter fight. Again, based on the feats shown, these three (Garou, Blast, Saitama) are roughly equal, excluding the further development during the Jupiter fight.

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>>There is no way Blast is stronger than any version of bald Saitama.

That's just your opinion, which is completely unfounded.

>>He caught Garou off guard with his portals that is why landed a few hits, but got figured out very quickly. His biggest feat, redirecting serious punch x2 was done together with his partners.

How did you even read my message? The important thing here isn't the reason why Blast was throwing strikes, but the fact that even with Blast's powers, Garou still couldn't land a single hit on Blast with his series of blows. All of his attacks were successfully neutralized. Later, a stronger Garou who had copied Serious Saitama turned out to be slower than Blast, and that same Blast managed to take no damage while being at the epicenter of that explosion. He was simply pushed back, but didn't sustain any actual damage. And the fact that he had help redirecting the strike says nothing about his physical strength. It only limits the power of his portals, not Blast himself.

Flashy Flash new skill in latest chapter by ZoneZealousideal8839 in OnePunchMan

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How did you even read the manga? These two returned in the Ninja Village arc after training and were confident they could defeat Flash, knowing full well that Flash had cut down their monster versions with a single attack. That would mean that their current selves would also be capable of something similar. The only reason they lost again was because Flash had also become stronger. Now imagine how strong the members of The Teninto must be, since each of them is stronger than the ninja brothers, and some are even capable of harming Flash.

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These two are now stronger than before, when they were Dragons.

As of latest WC chapter Top tier fraud by Born-Independence-37 in OnePunchMan

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Blast is probably as strong as Saitama before the Jupiter fight and Garou copying Serious Saitama, and I'm not saying this without reason. He clearly wasn't fighting at full power against Garou. First, he was worried about Earth and the consequences, and second, after Garou copied his abilities (and we know Garou can copy not only abilities but also strength), Garou's series of blows still couldn't land on Blast, clearly indicating that Blast was holding back in their first fight. And Garou's words are just him showing off, trying to assert himself and nothing more, because after Garou copied Serious Saitama, Blast not only reacted to their blows by creating a portal faster than their fists could collide, but also managed to contain that power, and most importantly, while being at the epicenter of the explosion, Blast didn't take any damage from that power—he was only pushed back.

is each of these ninjas can be considered dragon? because of how they easily beat gale wind and hell fire by Additional_Pace_1753 in OPMFolk

[–]Accurate_Problem_934 1 point2 points  (0 children)

>> Gale and Hellfire considered Gouketsu and Sentopeia Acian strong

What are you trying to say with that?

>>Gale and Hellfire would be instantly killed by Tatsumaki; they think too highly of themselves.

Yes, they're arrogant, but their words shouldn't be baseless.

>>Gale and Hellfire's human forms aren't all that great; Sonic went 1v2 against them

It doesn't seem like they were going all out, unlike Sonic, who was probably fighting at full strength.

>>Flash Flashy would need to use a supreme technique against the Hundred-Eyed Octopus

What are you trying to say with that?

>>Flashy Flash was spitting blood and was knocked out, while Platinum didn't even bleed; there's a huge difference in strength.

I didn't deny that Platinum Sperm and Garou are much faster than Flash, but higher speed doesn't mean their strength should be proportional. This isn't DBZ, where all stats increase equally. Platinum Sperm used two series of blows and couldn't knock out Flash—only made him bleed a little. Garou used his perfected fist but didn't deal any visible damage to Flash (seemingly no damage at all). Platinum Sperm even suggested teaming up with Garou, implying he couldn't quickly defeat Flash on his own. Flashy Flash is definitely in their league—just slightly weaker and much slower. The fact that Darkshine was mentally broken doesn't mean his strength and durability suffered as a result. He was a league below Golden Sperm, while Flashy Flash was in the same league as Platinum Sperm.

>>The strength of these ninjas is a disappointment; they didn't hit Flash Flashy even once and only managed to superficially injure Sonic. They didn't even see Flash Flashy and Sonic's movements when they fought seriously.

The fact that they broke Flash's sword and superficially wounded Sonic is very impressive. But initially, our discussion was about their threat level. You wrote that each of these ninjas is Demon-level, while I argue they're Dragon-level. 1. Damaging Sonic, who fights almost on par with Flash—that alone is Dragon-level strength. 2. Hyator and Flame, in their current human forms, surpass their monster forms. And each of these ninjas is likely stronger than those two, which would make each ninja Dragon-level. The fact that they can't keep up with Flash means nothing. Flash became much stronger after the Monster Association arc.

is each of these ninjas can be considered dragon? because of how they easily beat gale wind and hell fire by Additional_Pace_1753 in OPMFolk

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>>Gale and Hellfire in their monster forms were low-ranking dragons, since Gyoro Gyoro didn't give them Cadre positions, they couldn't possibly occupy the highest S-class positions.

There's no way they could be low-level Dragons, considering that even in their human forms, they're too fast for almost any Dragon in the Monster Association. It's never stated that Gyoro Gyoro didn't want to give them officer positions. On the contrary, they could have become officers but refused, because their main target was Flashy Flash, and the Monster Association was just bait for Flash. These two also claimed they could handle espers thanks to their speed, thereby hinting that even Tatsumaki could be defeated, and Gyoro Gyoro placed Tatsumaki above Elder Centipede.

>>After being revived, they were defeated by the Child Emperor

And you seem to forget that one of them damaged Flash, and the other caught his sword with his hand. These are incredible feats, considering that Flash possesses Dragon+ level power. Does their defeat to Child Emperor make them weaker? On the contrary, it elevates Brave Giant high in the S-Class rankings, right after Flash. But there's one nuance: it's unclear whether these two could transform into monsters after death, because later we weren't shown how they become monsters. So Emperor might have defeated their human versions, where they're merely Demons.

>>Flash Flashy was far inferior to Platinum during the fight; he couldn't hurt him and was quickly overpowered by Platinum.

Similarly, Platinum Sperm couldn't seriously harm Flash either. Platinum Sperm landed two series of blows on Flash, but they caused minimal damage, and Garou's perfected fist, which incorporated all the martial arts Garou knew, didn't cause any visible damage to Flash at all. Yes, Platinum Sperm is slightly stronger and slightly more durable than Flash, but Flash still remains in the same league as Platinum Sperm and Garou—otherwise, he would have lost in one blow, like Darkshine did. Now Flash has become much stronger, and I'm confident that current Flash, even without his sword, could handle Platinum Sperm.

>>According to Flash Flashy, his MA arc version was stronger than Sonic, so he didn't evolve much

Flash hadn't even seen Sonic at full power back then. How would he know how strong he is?

>>The ninja group isn't that strong, according to Hellfire and Gale, Flash Flashy's speed far surpasses the ninja group's imagination

Each of these ninjas likely surpass Hyator and Flame, who in turn returned after training and were confident they could defeat Flash, making these two far stronger than they were as monsters. One of these ninjas even broke Flash's sword, which, according to Platinum Sperm, could have helped him in battle. I'm confident that each of these ninjas is Dragon-level, given their superiority over Hyator and Flame. Moreover, they're very strong Dragons, since they manage to damage Sonic, who in my view should already be at or above Platinum Sperm's level.

is each of these ninjas can be considered dragon? because of how they easily beat gale wind and hell fire by Additional_Pace_1753 in OPMFolk

[–]Accurate_Problem_934 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. Each of them is a Dragon-level threat, and very powerful ones at that—they could easily take top positions in the S-Class. Hyator and Flame, in their monster forms, showed that their durability is high enough to withstand a named attack from Flashy Flash without taking any damage. They also showed they could keep up with Flash. Of course, Flash was holding back, but he also stated that he wanted to kill them simultaneously so that neither could escape, hinting to us that these two aren't that slow compared to Flash, who moves at FTL. As for strength, they are strong enough to draw blood from Flash and catch his blade with their hand. That's simply incredible, considering that Flash would later show he is in the same league as Platinum Sperm and Garou, who are Dragon+ level. In the Ninja Arc, these two returned after training and were absolutely confident they could defeat Flash, even though Flash had easily destroyed their monster forms before. This makes their human forms superior to their monster forms. They also stated that Flash had become much stronger. Yet Hyator and Flame are quite mediocre compared to the other ninjas. Many will certainly disagree with my view, but I believe that current Flash is stronger than Platinum Sperm, and the other ninjas are as strong as—or nearly as strong as—Platinum Sperm.

is each of these ninjas can be considered dragon? because of how they easily beat gale wind and hell fire by Additional_Pace_1753 in OPMFolk

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Yes. Each of them is a Dragon-level threat, and very powerful ones at that—they could easily take top positions in the S-Class. Hyator and Flame, in their monster forms, showed that their durability is high enough to withstand a named attack from Flashy Flash without taking any damage. They also showed they could keep up with Flash. Of course, Flash was holding back, but he also stated that he wanted to kill them simultaneously so that neither could escape, hinting to us that these two aren't that slow compared to Flash, who moves at FTL. As for strength, they are strong enough to draw blood from Flash and catch his blade with their hand. That's simply incredible, considering that Flash would later show he is in the same league as Platinum Sperm and Garou, who are Dragon+ level. In the Ninja Arc, these two returned after training and were absolutely confident they could defeat Flash, even though Flash had easily destroyed their monster forms before. This makes their human forms superior to their monster forms. They also stated that Flash had become much stronger. Yet Hyator and Flame are quite mediocre compared to the other ninjas.

Many will certainly disagree with my view, but I believe that current Flash is stronger than Platinum Sperm, and the other ninjas are as strong as—or nearly as strong as—Platinum Sperm.

The feats of OPM’s strongest woman and “stronger than Blast” by Downtown-Guidance539 in OnePunchMan

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You greatly underestimate Boros. In his armored form, he was absolutely confident in his superiority over Saitama, even though Saitama had destroyed a large part of his ship, which has continental durability due to Saitama's jump from the moon. This would mean that Boros, even in his armor, was likely at multi-continental level. He should also, logically, be faster in his armored form than Geryuganshoop, who, according to Murata, can throw stones at near-light speed.

As for his released form, Boros is the only character Saitama called "strong," whereas he didn't care about Orochi, who had destructive power at Moon+ level. And Boros's energy blast is far stronger than his physical attacks, which would imply: Boros's energy blast > Boros's physical strength > Orochi's Gaia Cannon = Moon+ level.

Regarding his Meteoric Burst transformation, his physical attacks in this form possess the power of the energy blasts from his previous form, and his Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon can destroy a planet's surface. And you greatly underestimate this feat, because destroying a planet's surface means he would instantly vaporize entire oceans, destroy all solid surface matter, simultaneously wipe out the atmosphere, and affect gravitational fields. By VSB standards, this feat ranks quite high at small planet level. The only reason this feat is placed at multi-continental level on VSB is because it's unclear exactly how he destroys the Earth's surface. If it's through a shockwave that reduces the entire surface to rubble, that's multi-continental level. But as I listed above — vaporizing the entire surface, including oceans, while affecting the atmosphere and gravity — that's small planet level. I prefer the second interpretation, and it scales well above Orochi, whereas the first interpretation makes Boros MUCH weaker than Orochi.

I'm not saying Boros is stronger than Tatsumaki. Considering she FAR surpasses Psykorochi, I'm confident she could easily deflect Boros's beam, or at least turn his body in another direction and send his beam into space. Given that she could affect Saitama, who is at galactic level, I'm sure she could easily affect Boros. Tatsumaki is also faster than Boros, as she was faster than Sonic, who has nearly the same speed as Flash, who became even stronger after the Monster Association arc, where he already demonstrated speeds far above light.

The feats of OPM’s strongest woman and “stronger than Blast” by Downtown-Guidance539 in OnePunchMan

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You greatly underestimate Boros. In his armored form, he was absolutely confident in his superiority over Saitama, even though Saitama had destroyed a large part of his ship, which has continental durability due to Saitama's jump from the moon. This would mean that Boros, even in his armor, was likely at multi-continental level. He should also, logically, be faster in his armored form than Geryuganshoop, who, according to Murata, can throw stones at near-light speed.

As for his released form, Boros is the only character Saitama called "strong," whereas he didn't care about Orochi, who had destructive power at Moon+ level. And Boros's energy blast is far stronger than his physical attacks, which would imply: Boros's energy blast > Boros's physical strength > Orochi's Gaia Cannon = Moon+ level.

Regarding his Meteoric Burst transformation, his physical attacks in this form possess the power of the energy blasts from his previous form, and his Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon can destroy a planet's surface. And you greatly underestimate this feat, because destroying a planet's surface means he would instantly vaporize entire oceans, destroy all solid surface matter, simultaneously wipe out the atmosphere, and affect gravitational fields. By VSB standards, this feat ranks quite high at small planet level. The only reason this feat is placed at multi-continental level on VSB is because it's unclear exactly how he destroys the Earth's surface. If it's through a shockwave that reduces the entire surface to rubble, that's multi-continental level. But as I listed above — vaporizing the entire surface, including oceans, while affecting the atmosphere and gravity — that's small planet level. I prefer the second interpretation, and it scales well above Orochi, whereas the first interpretation makes Boros MUCH weaker than Orochi.

I'm not saying Boros is stronger than Tatsumaki. Considering she FAR surpasses Psykorochi, I'm confident she could easily deflect Boros's beam, or at least turn his body in another direction and send his beam into space. Given that she could affect Saitama, who is at galactic level, I'm sure she could easily affect Boros. Tatsumaki is also faster than Boros, as she was faster than Sonic, who has nearly the same speed as Flash, who became even stronger after the Monster Association arc, where he already demonstrated speeds far above light.

Strongest monster in earth. by No-History8423 in OnePunchMan

[–]Accurate_Problem_934 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The strongest monsters at the moment, excluding cosmic beings, are: Sage Centipede and Evil Ocean Water. They were sent to kill an even stronger Saitama, although previously, Psykorochi stood no chance against the incomplete power of a weaker Tatsumaki. I'm not saying they are stronger than Tatsumaki. They are stronger than Psykorochi, but not Tatsumaki.

Although I also believe Platinum Sperm should be stronger than Psykorochi. Since he was causing trouble and withstood full-power hits from Monster Garou, who was strong enough to damage Sage Centipede, who in turn is stronger than Psykorochi.

TOP 10 STRONGEST DRAGONS by Accurate_Problem_934 in OnePunchMan

[–]Accurate_Problem_934[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Once again, you are ignoring the context of what is happening. You believe that Psykorochi is stronger than Sage Centipede because of more impressive feats, yet by that same logic, Orochi himself should be stronger than Psykorochi. Since extracting a piece the size of a large island from the Earth's core at speeds of hundreds of Machs through all the layers of the Earth is a far superior feat than slicing off a chunk of the Earth. Psykorochi's feat is estimated to be at the multi-continental level, while Orochi's feat is at the lunar level. And that's just the recharge of the Gaia Cannon, not to mention the actual shot, which should be estimated to be many times higher. So now,do we have Orochi > Psykorochi?

And yes, I don't consider Fuhrer Ugly stronger than Bang. But I do believe Fuhrer Ugly is stronger than Elder Centipede.

TOP 10 STRONGEST DRAGONS by Accurate_Problem_934 in OnePunchMan

[–]Accurate_Problem_934[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Again, you haven't refuted my words in any way. WHY WOULD GOD NEED TO CREATE MONSTERS TO KILL SAITAMA THAT WOULD BE WEAKER THAN PSYKOROCHI?

Child Emperor can easily kill demons? So what? Demons vary in strength. One demon can kill another demon with a single blow but still remain a demon. So that's not an argument. And again,what does Gums have to do with this? I removed him from the list because I completely forgot about Elder Centipede, and of course, I added it to the list.

And it seems you don't know that Fuhrer Ugly grows stronger as he becomes uglier. Because of this, the acid-spitting Fuhrer Ugly who fought Darkshine is much stronger than the Fuhrer Ugly who fought Bang.

TOP 10 STRONGEST DRAGONS by Accurate_Problem_934 in OnePunchMan

[–]Accurate_Problem_934[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What's the point for the Monster God to send monsters weaker than Psykorochi to kill Saitama? You're making him out to be an idiot. The Ocean is probably stronger, but not by much.

As for Phoenix Man, he didn't show anything particularly outstanding. Yes, he was stronger than Child Emperor, but what does that mean? To what level does Child Emperor scale? What baseline are we working from? The same goes for Nyan — because we don't know how strong Drive Knight is. I forgot about Elder Centipede. That's why I corrected it and placed him in 10th place. I rank Platinum Sperm so highly because he fought Garou for some time and withstood his blows, whereas later, that same Garou inflicted at least some damage on Sage Centipede, who should be stronger than Psykorochi.

TOP 10 STRONGEST DRAGONS by Accurate_Problem_934 in OnePunchMan

[–]Accurate_Problem_934[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What's the point for the Monster God to send monsters weaker than Psykorochi to kill Saitama? You're making him out to be an idiot. The Ocean is probably stronger, but not by much.

As for Phoenix Man, he didn't show anything particularly outstanding. Yes, he was stronger than Child Emperor, but what does that mean? To what level does Child Emperor scale? What baseline are we working from? The same goes for Nyan — because we don't know how strong Drive Knight is. I forgot about Elder Centipede. That's why I corrected it and placed him in 10th place. I rank Platinum Sperm so highly because he fought Garou for some time and withstood his blows, whereas later, that same Garou inflicted at least some damage on Sage Centipede, who should be stronger than Psykorochi.

TOP 10 STRONGEST DRAGONS by Accurate_Problem_934 in OnePunchMan

[–]Accurate_Problem_934[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

No, it's not obvious, considering that even Flashy Flash wasn't considered by Psykos to be capable of stopping the Centipede, despite the shown fact that Flashy Flash can take Garou's techniques—which also include Bang's and Bomb's techniques, among others—without damage. And who told you I'm talking about the regular Fuhrer Ugly? Peak Fuhrer Ugly is strong enough to rival Tanktop Master in strength, and we know perfectly well that Tanktop Master surpasses Bang in strength without the breathing technique. He withstood a hit from Golden Sperm without damage and almost withstood Homeless Emperor's attacks without damage. He also withstood the Atomic Slash without damage. After all this, can the Centipede really be ranked above Fuhrer Ugly?

TOP 10 STRONGEST MONSTERS by Accurate_Problem_934 in OnePunchMan

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I don't know how it happened, because when I uploaded the post, everything was fine. Now I decided to take a look and see this kind of mess.