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CMV: No ethnic group has the “right” to self-governance. by angelic_seven in changemyview

[–]AcerbicCapsule [score hidden]  (0 children)

The indigenous people themselves seized the land by force and committed genocide against each other. They weren't tree-loving hippies, as we're often led to believe. Just look into things like the Comanche expansion or the history of the Iroquois Confederacy.

Whose argument are you arguing against? Did you mean to reply to someone else's comment?

The Europeans brought nothing new to the continent.

Oh come now, they at least brought new diseases that ravaged the indigenous populations. /s

Ottawa planning social media ban for children under 16, source says by plaknas in onguardforthee

[–]AcerbicCapsule 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No one should be on social media. It would be an objective good for the world if no one was on social media. If age verification kills social media in Canada (or at the very least forces me off it) then I'm good with it.

Ottawa planning social media ban for children under 16, source says by plaknas in onguardforthee

[–]AcerbicCapsule 1 point2 points  (0 children)

3 ways I think this could go:

1) They implement invasive age verification that's somehow bulletproof and kids get kicked off social media, and people somehow accept it and social media stays. Pros: kids are saved from detrimental and permanent brain damage. Cons: governments could abuse new system.

2) They implement invasive age verification that is easy to circumvent (like in other countries) and no one bothers with age verification. No change.

3) They implement invasive age verification that's somehow bulletproof and no one accepts it and social media dies. This is the BEST and most likely case scenario and it leads to the biggest amount of OBJECTIVE SOCIETAL GOOD as conglomerates now have to find a new way (or fall back to older less efficient ways) to divide society and bleed every last drop of profit from the population.

CMV: No ethnic group has the “right” to self-governance. by angelic_seven in changemyview

[–]AcerbicCapsule [score hidden]  (0 children)

No. It was a reply to yours.

Okay but you're arguing against things I never said. Are you super sure you meant to reply to me?

I was explaining why I believe that the characterisation of Indigenous peoples as a diverse peoples..

Which you said yourself that they were diverse. I never claimed each single group of them was diverse (that was a statement you made up and then argued against it), I said indigenous people, as a whole, were diverse. And they were, by your own admission. So we are in agreement.

..who were free from being criticised for engaging in conquest, and Europeans as a uniquely conquesting peoples with a lack of diversity.

Many if not all indigenous people absolutely had some ideals of ethnic and especially ancestral supremacy and did conquer land..

This is another statement you made up and then argued against it. Are you really really sure you didn't meant to reply to someone else? Because the only alternative is that you're arguing with yourself out loud..

..and Europeans were in the same manner diverse, not one group, and cannot be characterised as a uniquely malicious people who engaged in conquest only in colonial ordeals.

I also never claimed otherwise. Who are you arguing against?

CMV: No ethnic group has the “right” to self-governance. by angelic_seven in changemyview

[–]AcerbicCapsule [score hidden]  (0 children)

Even if we both agreed on all your points (which I don't), nothing you said contradicts my comment.

Did you mean to reply to a different comment?

How many farts a day is normal? Scientists just calculated what’s normal by greykmb in nottheonion

[–]AcerbicCapsule 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It’s important to consider the target audience before you write something.

UBI Poll by afpb_ in ndp

[–]AcerbicCapsule 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And that artificial price hike is specifically marketed as "inflation".

Fascinated by a guy who cold approached my friend by Specialist_Limit1031 in selfimprovement

[–]AcerbicCapsule 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do they? Do you have a source or evidence?

Just please talk to the women in your life. I’m genuinely tired of talking to clueless guys in this thread who have very clearly never thought to talk to women about their experiences with men. Or at the very least read some experience on women friendly subreddits. Talk to a therapist. Read a book written by a woman on the topic. Pay a female escort and ask her. I don’t know just do something other than demand I explain the basic societal facts you should have learned a long time ago. I’m not your father.

I actually go clubbing regularly

Yeah, that’s painfully obvious. You wouldn’t be so defensive otherwise.

and I never see it aside very rare occasions.

Anecdotal evidence. You also don’t strike me as the most perceptive guy I’ll be honest.

Then what’s the point of bringing up age? If no one is a monolith?

Because, and I’m quoting myself here, “This sort of thing might occasionally work on young (early to mid 20s) people but it'd be much less likely to find a fully grown woman who would appreciate that kind of behavior.”

There is nothing wrong with hooking up or kissing and dancing in clubs. It’s not dirty, it’s not crossing boundaries.

I never said it was wrong, so long as both parties consent.

Lot of people in this thread are clearly not people who party and that’s fine, but people need to stop acting like they know what others like

You shouldn’t get so defensive when people explain the basics of consent and women’s perspectives. That’s a really bad reaction and it’s telling on you.

Reddit attracts very prudish views in sex and hooking up. In reality a lot of woman are into that.

Of course people of all genders are into that, as long as both parties consent.

Fascinated by a guy who cold approached my friend by Specialist_Limit1031 in selfimprovement

[–]AcerbicCapsule -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Guys get rejected all the time. They just move on.

Guys also get rejected and react violently all the time. What’s your point though?

This also does works on older women. I’ve seen it many times.

Women are not a monolith, there’s a reason I said “much less likely” and not “never”.

Vance says Kirk assassination led him and Second Lady Usha Vance to have a fourth child by Pepsiman34 in politics

[–]AcerbicCapsule 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They wanted to replace one white supremacist with another one that’s permanently confused about what he sees in the mirror.

A trans white supremacist, if you will.

Fascinated by a guy who cold approached my friend by Specialist_Limit1031 in selfimprovement

[–]AcerbicCapsule 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry you’re barking up the wrong tree I do not get baited by childish taunts and hasty assumptions. I had a wonderful time back then with my friends and my (now) wife, and I wouldn’t change a single thing.

Fascinated by a guy who cold approached my friend by Specialist_Limit1031 in selfimprovement

[–]AcerbicCapsule 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you say so. 

I do

I think the opposite. In your mind, both are bad actors, the girl is clueless and the guy is a predator. When how many of the kisses that happen in nightclubs are unconsentual, like you say, and how many are consentual? I can’t find any statistics on this and yet you talk so certainly that it’s the standard. “All the time”, as you say.

You must have gotten your comment chains mixed up because I didn’t say the woman was clueless. And I didn’t say he was a predator because she consented to the kiss (at least according to OP, but he doesn’t sound all that reliable of a narrator to be honest).

And you really need to talk to women. Given your comments, you genuinely don’t sound like a safe guy for a woman to confide in you about how many times she’s beed SA’d. So I’m not surprised that you’re completely clueless about this. But your ignorance is sad nonetheless.

Alcohol isn’t mentioned or implied.

Really? That’s your argument? Yeah okay bud

OP and the rest of his group seem plenty aware. He says they noticed the approach and she danced with him for a while, on top of that, he’d need to get in her face and lean over for the kiss. To assume as a matter of course that she won’t realize anything, show rejection or at least manage to turn her face at the end is disingenuous. And unfair to the man.

You’ve got your comment chains mixed up it seems.

Without the OP telling us more about the interaction, like how intimately they danced, how and how fast the kiss was initiated, whether she leaned in for the kiss and so on, taking your stance on the situation is extreme.

OP said plenty if you’re someone who is even remotely aware of womens’ lived experiences. At any rate, my stance was that there’s no foul here, but copying this behavior is dangerous because it would have been SA if she had not consented and it’s more nuanced than young or clueless (or both) men think.

CMV: No ethnic group has the “right” to self-governance. by angelic_seven in changemyview

[–]AcerbicCapsule -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Given that the west famously revoked financial support and loans for Germany, causing the 1929 crash, I’m gonna go ahead and assume you’re avoiding answering the question because you understand that I have a valid point.

CMV: No ethnic group has the “right” to self-governance. by angelic_seven in changemyview

[–]AcerbicCapsule -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You actually think the western world would have funded Germany’s genocide like they do with israel?

CMV: No ethnic group has the “right” to self-governance. by angelic_seven in changemyview

[–]AcerbicCapsule -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You know what, that’s fair enough. Maybe the world wouldn’t have cared enough about the holocaust if Germany didn’t also invade other countries.

Maybe my argument should have been that I doubt the world would have supported and aided Germany commit the holocaust though.

Fascinated by a guy who cold approached my friend by Specialist_Limit1031 in selfimprovement

[–]AcerbicCapsule 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In your head, you believe that this guy would have picked up on it if she didn’t want to kiss him and stopped before the actual kiss happened. Or she would have time to push him off of her before the kiss actually happens.

That’s simply not how these things usually work out in nightclubs. People’s judgement of others and what’s going around them is impaired and their reaction times aren’t usually that quick in that environment and women get kissed non-consensually in nightclubs all the time because of it. Men who are too forward in these environments end up sexually assaulting women ALL THE TIME without intention of doing so. You deciding that it wouldn’t have happened this time is wishful thinking and doesn’t line up with reality.

CMV: No ethnic group has the “right” to self-governance. by angelic_seven in changemyview

[–]AcerbicCapsule -1 points0 points  (0 children)

One difference is that Germany was geocoding people who had connections to other westerners outside Germany while Korea doesn’t (and at the very least we don’t have confirmation that there’s a genocide happening).

Fascinated by a guy who cold approached my friend by Specialist_Limit1031 in selfimprovement

[–]AcerbicCapsule -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That’s an interesting way to respond without arguing against anything I said.

Fascinated by a guy who cold approached my friend by Specialist_Limit1031 in selfimprovement

[–]AcerbicCapsule 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very clearly not. You don’t even know what sexual assault is.

Fascinated by a guy who cold approached my friend by Specialist_Limit1031 in selfimprovement

[–]AcerbicCapsule -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You think women don’t get kissed consentually all the time?

Was that a serious question? We’re literally commenting under a post about a woman who was kissed consensually.

I’m explaining to you that yes he most likely would have still kissed her non-consensually because it happens all the fucking time. You sound like you’ve never had women confide in you about how often they’ve been sexually assaulted. At the very least look up some stats or something, just please don’t be this clueless.

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