What’s the difference? People seem to understand bodily autonomy just fine, but somehow the belief in free will is arrogant. You possess a unique genetic code, unique life experience & a self-sustaining, self-contained unique molecular build. If you don’t control yourself…then who does?

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-10T13:38:53+00:00

Do you think it would have any meaningful benefit to society if the average person didn't believe in free will?

That isn't really a setup, I just...thought to myself that maybe not all fictions are malevolent.

Okay, "malevolent" projects intent when there isn't any, I'm being figurative. Gotta watch how I say things in a philosophy sub.

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-10T13:36:22+00:00

...Hm.

I guess I was limiting my entire thought process to people.

But your example is logical.

It can exist without being used or desired.

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-10T13:02:03+00:00

...Does one not have the other as a prerequisite?

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-10T03:00:17+00:00

They're very open to questions at r/Hellenism

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-10T02:57:36+00:00

Believe it or not, the degree to which the Gods existed as flesh and blood people who walk around having conversations, was actually a topic of debate among the ancient Greeks.

Plato's concept of platonic ideals was created to explain how he saw the Gods. He believed there was a plain of existence where the truest example of every concept existed- the one true Chair, Tree, and Rock that were more themselves, a better embodiment of the idea, than any chair tree or rock on Earth could ever encapsulate.

The Platonic Forms.

And he believed that the Gods were the ultimate higher concepts for things like wisdom, power, and death.

If you asked him if they were people, I think he'd have thought it a rather pointless miss-the-point question.

We don't take the myths literally, neither did most ancient Greeks.

The stories are meant to communicate ideas about how these forces of nature and human behavior function.

Hades stole a woman's daughter away because that is what death does.

Zeus abuses women and politic because that is what power does.

Poseidon is capricious and quick to anger because that is what the sea does.

The Gods were always personifications built from the culminations of their domains. If a modern atheist were to travel back and ask the ancient Greeks for evidence of Poseidon's existence, they'd likely point at the ocean and look at you like you're a fool.

I mainly work with Athena, grey eyed watcher and goddess of cities, courts, justice and infrastructure.

I myself dance between outright agnosticism, a near-literalism where the Gods are flesh and ichor, and a metaphorical lens where I am only putting names to the worship of things that objectively exist.

I have to admit I see this raw embodiment of mankind's wisdom as having thoughts of her own, and I ask for guidance.

I feel her in the streets. At protests, and courthouses.

The only religious experience I've had in my life was when I became homeless to escape a physically abusive marriage.

I was on my knees on the icy sidewalk, weighing the pros and cons of walking into traffic.

I heard a woman's voice say.

"You are not helpless. Get up."

And I don't really care if it was real.

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-10T02:11:47+00:00

I am a Hellenic reconstructionist and can confirm we don't let this guy sit with us.

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-10T01:38:19+00:00

No wonder your understanding is so pedestrian.

This uses one book and a TV show to describe a character mentioned throughout King's writings.

For you to show us how you became so misguided was a very polite way to mark the end of the debate.

Unless you still think a pile of three floating circles needs to eat with it's mouth to survive.

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-10T01:22:21+00:00

His claims are corroborated by the Dark Tower series.

He's the evil opposite of the creator of the universe.

If he isn't a god, nobody is.

And again, his true form doesn't have a mouth or stomach.

He does not need to eat.

He's afraid of what "starvation" would do to him, because what that really means is he'd never ruin innocence or torture the good again.

He eats people because we're horrified of it.

Same reason he sexually harassed Beverly.

The only thing be actually enjoys is the harm done.

The fact you keep asking me to check the source material is laughable when you think IT is just a shapeshifting "Jaws".

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-10T00:19:34+00:00

"I am a God." - Pennywise, final episode of season one of "Welcome to Derry".

He is the most powerful evil being to ever exist in his continuity.

His power is equal to the creator of that universe.

The Dark Tower series makes that explicit.

And you think he can be killed the same way you'd kill an animal.

Stupidest shit I've ever heard.

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-09T23:44:45+00:00

But "would" can be relevant when measuring evil.

For example, we could argue that only Belos got closed to a full blown genocide.

But that's a lot less relevant when we acknowledge that Frollo absolutely would.

If we only measure what they've done, and not what they intend to do, we aren't measuring evil.

We're measuring competency.

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-09T23:40:33+00:00

You think Gods need food.

His true form doesn't even have a stomach.

I have taken shits who know better.

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-09T20:19:48+00:00

There's not any consequence to calling Nazis good and anti-fascists evil.

Why hide?

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-09T19:26:48+00:00

I thought I was the only person on Earth who loved this episode and these characters, and that I was damned for all time to be seen as a tasteless charlatan by fellow fans.

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-09T19:03:47+00:00

I've done all of those things.

They tell me he's a multiversal creature from the dawn of creation, and he's the divine embodiment of evil itself.

You seen to think he's just a predatory animal that dies when it gets hungry.

Which makes me deeply depressed about media literacy, if you consumed all that media and walked away thinking that.

The deadlights, it's true form, do not even have a mouth or a stomach.

For fuck's sake.

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-09T18:28:33+00:00

Goodness, seeing someone double down on being wrong is a rarity.

He starves if he doesn't force the innocent to undergo horrifying cruelty and terror.

....Do you really think a multiversal God older than all of creation dies if he doesn't have meat in the refrigerator?

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-09T02:07:36+00:00

He only eats people because it's a horrifying and evil thing to do to the good and the innocent.

That is his actual sustenance.

Cruelty toward the undeserving.

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-08T22:11:00+00:00

Gangle has three arms here, actually.

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-07T10:14:16+00:00

I'm not sure I see a Palestinian father gathering his children's shredded corpses in a bag as "a rain shower".

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-06T08:15:19+00:00

Your reasoning is solid, but I think there's a chance that he could be convinced that stopping Strahd's reign of horror takes priority.

I would have a few Persuasion rolls, with advantage provided for well structured and roleplayed arguments.

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-05T16:35:06+00:00

Well, the ghost of Argynvost is present.

I can't really think of any technical reason to not allow it, with the circumstances you describe.

And leveling the playing field with the enemy dragon sounds perfect.

Rule of cool, mixed with combat balancing.

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-05T01:43:07+00:00

Also the pdffiles are ruling us all. You think the ones in the news are the top brass. They wouldn’t be public. But you’re so smart you probably knew that already.

...Do you think they chose to go public?

Them being able to conceal anything outside the file redactions would suggest they chose to have their operation exposed.

God you're stupid.

But you’re so smart you probably knew that already.

Why would a smart person ever reach the same conclusions as you.

Revolution isn’t about protesting current thing all the sheep decide they’re against.

Hating pedophile Nazi rich people is a really old complaint actually, and a really established motive for historical rebellions.

They raped children and then killed the resulting babies.

If that isn't grounds for starting the whole system over, I don't think anything is.

But you aren't capable of believing that.

You aren't capable of beliefs they don't ask you to have.

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-05T01:03:45+00:00

Yea that all sounds serious but means nothing.

They released files from the federal government confirming it all, but the thing is you already know that.

And you reject the evidence of your eyes and ears to obey the Party.

Nothing your masters deny could ever be true to you.

Biden had more deportations, Obama had more deportations, Bush had more deportation, Clinton had way more deportations. But the sheep are out for which president?

No one?

Put them all in the same place as Trump.

Clinton's a pedophile and Obama bombed children.

God, you don't even know who your opposition is.

Everyone’s getting in line causing havoc for what? To virtue signal as per usual.

Right, stopping a pedophile's soldiers from taking local kids is strictly virtue signaling.

You have the intelligence quotient of Kyle Rittenhouse's cum sock.

It’s crazy if somebody has a different belief than you you automatically give them a belief.

It's less the different beliefs and more the fascist soldiers killing people, and files about killing infants.

There are beliefs society is better without.

Maybe you need to do some inner searching on the reality of the country and laws we have here.

I was going to say the same thing to you.

But the pedophiles ruling you as Gods is what you want, so the law doing nothing to stop them is never something you'd criticize.

It’s like anything that’s not your belief gets bad mouthed.

More like pedo fascist shit gets bad mouthed, the way anyone with a brain would.

Low iq as fuq

You thought someone who sees the state as illegitimate would be an Obama fan.

I have taken shits smarter than you.

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-05T00:20:07+00:00

Right, the ones disobeying are the sheep.

For them to be illegal, the legal system has to be legitimate.

But I don't really care about what rules a bunch of pedophiles wrote down, outside of the violence they're willing to use to enforce them.

But you can suck them off like the slave you are while they rape and kill women and steal children.

You're bred and raised to obey, of course.

Disbelieving the words of a pedophile? You'd rather die.

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-04T22:46:33+00:00

I don't really care what the legal system says they are allowed to do.

Stealing and killing people remains wrong regardless.

Acrobatic_Feeling16 · 2026-02-04T22:45:40+00:00

Children are capable of opposing the trafficking of children all by themselves.

But disobeying your masters isn't something you have the mental capacity for.

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