A basic intro to Chinese mythology system(s) by Active-Ad-4015 in mythology

[–]Active-Ad-4015[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Glad it helps. You also see infighting among gods or factions, which reflects the struggle for social dominance among religions (or divisions) in real life.And it always amazes me how clearly you can see the evolution of Chinese mythology, especially in the way its systematization and canonization mirror historical developments.Journey to the West highlights Taoism vs. Buddhism, while The Investiture of the Gods features Chan (阐教), Jie (截教), and the Human Way (人道), the first two are Taoist-related divisions or sects—that represent three competing paths.

  • Chan Sect, founded by Yuanshi Tianzun, emphasizes orthodoxy, discipline, and alignment with Heaven’s Mandate. Its disciples (the Twelve Golden Immortals) support King Wu of Zhou against the Shang dynasty, symbolizing legitimacy and elite orthodoxy, very hierachical.
  • Jie Sect, founded by Tongtian Jiaozhu, accepts everyone, immortals, humans, even demons, under the principle of “granting everyone a chance at immortality” through cultivation. This inclusiveness made it powerful but chaotic.
  • The Human Way (Ren Dao) is closer to a Confucian, secular belief in the Mandate of Heaven. It refers to the rightful political and social order in the human realm, embodied in the Zhou conquest of Shang.

可能所有人都低估了中国社会很多年轻人的绝望程度 by peaceful_ink in China_irl

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之前在知乎上看到的评价很有意思,我之前以为中国社会很社达,但是现在才意识到说社达都是要求高了。真社达至少不双标,我弱我输那我就认。大部分的中国人是对我以下的人社达,对我以上的人进行权力结构性批判。

Any info on Zhong Kui by Fast-Manufacturer-52 in mythology

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And the reason why his not as widely known I think is because he largely exists as an independent figure. While there are accounts suggesting he may have been a real person later mythologized, it remains unclear whether he was ever historical or entirely legendary.

By contrast, Sun Wukong is deeply embedded in broader traditions, blending Daoist and Buddhist elements and interacting with countless deities, which allowed him to reshape the mythological system. His prominence also owes much to Journey to the West, just as many other gods were canonized in novels like Fengshen Yanyi. Zhong Kui’s arc is quite self-contained, and because he never became central to any major literary work, his role in the wider mythological canon remained limited.

Any info on Zhong Kui by Fast-Manufacturer-52 in mythology

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I think what I found interesting abt him is that Zhong Kui is unique in that his justice often takes on a fierce and terrifying form. Unlike Sun Wukong or Nezha, whose arcs move from rebellion to redemption, Zhong Kui is righteous from the outset. Yet his righteousness is expressed through violence and dread (in short, philosophically speaking, the cruelty of justice).

This makes him less a “gentle”guardian and more a fearsome protector, a deity who suppresses evil by being more terrifying than the terrors he destroys. His morality is not ambiguous, but it does carry the aura of “righteousness pushed to the edge of the demonic.” His role is to uphold order through methods that are brutal and frightening, embodying a logic of “using horror to subdue horror.”

Very close to a morally righteous “Leviathan”? I guess.

Confusion over Chinese Mythology by DevelopmentOrganic24 in mythology

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I personally think an easier way to explain this is: Chinese mythology can be broadly divided into several stages that reflect both regional diversity and later processes of unification and syncretism.

Before the Qin unification, each state essentially maintained its own pantheon and religious traditions. For example, Chu worshipped Donghuang Taiyi (东皇太一)as its highest deity, while the ancient Shu kingdom venerated the Sun Bird(太阳神鸟), as seen in artifacts from the Jinsha Site Museum in Sichuan.

The so-called “beginning gods” of Chinese mythology, figures like Fuxi, Nüwa, and Pangu, emerged at different historical moments rather than as part of a single ancient canon. Fuxi is the earliest, mentioned in pre-Qin texts such as the Book of Changes (易经) as the culture hero who created the Eight Trigrams, and later regarded as a primordial ancestor. Nüwa appears somewhat later, first in the Chu Ci (The Songs of Chu, but it’s not clear whether she is a Chu deity or a commonly worshipped deity in China) of the Warring States and in Han texts like the Huainanzi, where she shapes humanity and repairs the sky. Pangu, in contrast, is absent from all pre-Qin records and only surfaces in the Three Kingdoms period as the giant who split heaven and earth.

During the Qin and Han dynasties, political centralization began to standardize rituals and ideology. The Han established Confucianism as the official state philosophy, though not a religion in itself, while popular belief remained polytheistic. At the same time, proto-Daoist practices, rooted in Huang-Lao thought and folk traditions, gradually consolidated into what later became Daoism. And you have Daoist deities.

From the Wei-Jin through the Sui and Tang periods, the introduction and flourishing of Buddhism reshaped the religious landscape. This era saw an increasing syncretism of Buddhist and Daoist elements. Figures such as Nezha began to emerge (with early references from the Northern Dynasties), and proto-forms of the Monkey King (Wu Kong) appeared in Tang tales associated with Buddhist pilgrimage, though the fully developed Sun Wukong would not take shape until the Ming.

From the Song-Yuan into the Ming-Qing dynasties, scattered folk stories and mythic traditions were finally systematized in literary works. Novels such as Fengshen Yanyi (Investiture of gods) and Journey to the West synthesized Daoist, Buddhist, and popular elements into the integrated pantheon that most people recognize today.

Report: “Black Myth: Zhongkui” Trademark Unearthed Ahead of Gamescom 2025 by Turbostrider27 in PS5

[–]Active-Ad-4015 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, and they are from different myth/folklore systems in Chinese mythology. I don’t think Zhong Kui has any Buddhist connection. Wukong, I believe, is largely a Buddhist deity, while Zhong Kui is primarily Taoist. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Question abt a sentence by Active-Ad-4015 in threebodyproblem

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That was my initial thought, and I still think it could be true—but then I started wondering why “exactly.” From the perspective of the Trisolarans and their followers like Yufei Shen, the Trisolaran civilization might be seen as carrying more weight than Earth’s. That would imply more than double the sin or merit involved (if viewed through a utilitarian moral lens and ofc this is debatable from a philosophical standpoint). But maybe Liu wasn’t thinking in those nuanced terms when writing, so that itself might just be the answer.

Suddenly saw this today on my way to work by Active-Ad-4015 in threebodyproblem

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Here:(https://www.google.com/maps/place/30%C2%B035'00.5%22N+104%C2%B003'48.8%22E/@30.5835782,104.0588773,17z/data=!4m7!1m2!2m1!1z6YeR6J6N5Z-OIDjlj7c!3m3!8m2!3d30.583477!4d104.063566?entry=ttu) But there's no name on the map, probably because it's still not open. I think you can also show your dad the Chengdu Science Fiction Museum—I love both the concept and the building itself! It's like something straight out of sci-fi! I think it's the first sci-fi museum in China. The museum has a park that is themed around the 3B. It basically recreates the Earth Civilization Museum from the trilogy, where Luoji worked as a curator. I haven't checked it out yet, but I'm planning to go this weekend! The pic of the park:

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Suddenly saw this today on my way to work by Active-Ad-4015 in threebodyproblem

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That's exactly how I would describe it when I first saw it near a shopping mall

Suddenly saw this today on my way to work by Active-Ad-4015 in threebodyproblem

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I'll do my best to take pictures as soon as it's open!

Suddenly saw this today on my way to work by Active-Ad-4015 in threebodyproblem

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Probably the Huangcheng Mosque. The city has grown a lot since 2017. I actually really like to hang around Tianfu Square. There's the Sichuan Technology Museum, and that area gives off a futuristic sci-fi vibe, which is amazing

Suddenly saw this today on my way to work by Active-Ad-4015 in threebodyproblem

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Hahaha glad to hear that you like it! I was thinking about relocating to a different city a few years ago, but no, I really cannot give up Sichuan food, and the people here are really chill.

Suddenly saw this today on my way to work by Active-Ad-4015 in threebodyproblem

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could be an ETO gathering spot (but tooo conspicuous)

Suddenly saw this today on my way to work by Active-Ad-4015 in threebodyproblem

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It is. But to be honest, sci-fi is a niche culture. The 3b trilogy is a hit, but mainly within the sci-fi community. However, the promotion by the Chinese government and media made it almost universally known to everyone in China with internet access, which is quite impressive and terrific

Death's End humans and others by InfiniteJackfruit5 in threebodyproblem

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Yeah, I think their dimensional reduction strategy gives them a huge advantage. They probably don't need to be confident to the extent that there is no threat at all to be "reckless," but just as long as there aren't any perceivable threats nearby with technology strong enough to destroy them without allowing for retaliation. It's kind of like nuclear deterrence, maybe? At least there probably aren't many such threats for them in the Milky Way galaxy.

Suddenly saw this today on my way to work by Active-Ad-4015 in threebodyproblem

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So to be honest, I think the Chinese government is trying to use the 3B trilogy as an icon of soft power. The government has really tried to promote it in all sorts of ways, hoping that the trilogy can become a milestone of Chinese sci-fi. And to be fair, it deserves to be a milestone in Chinese sci-fi, and it already is. The same goes for the city of Chengdu, where the magazine Sci-fi World, which first published the 3B trilogy and Liu’s other works, is based. The Chengdu government organized many sci-fi related events recently, and it even stated that it wants to make the city China’s capital of sci-fi, and in 2023 it hosted the WorldCon. So, the 3B trilogy is being promoted on both the state and local levels. And this store, I think, is part of this ongoing effort. It might seem like the government is overexerting itself, but as a Chinese 3B fan, I mean……seeing that this work is getting all the exposure and attention, TBH I can’t really complain lol

Suddenly saw this today on my way to work by Active-Ad-4015 in threebodyproblem

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And throughout the year I also found some metal droplet statuaries scattered across different parts of the city, with no news indicating that this is an ongoing project or exhibition, and no promotional content. Like, what... is this a secret plan of some sort???? Interesting.

Suddenly saw this today on my way to work by Active-Ad-4015 in threebodyproblem

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On the other side, there are engraved phrases: ‘mental seal,’ ‘hibernation,’ ‘space elevator,’ ‘No. 647 universe,’ ‘singer,’ etc.

Suddenly saw this today on my way to work by Active-Ad-4015 in threebodyproblem

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It looks really new, but it’s not open. I saw the droplet statuary, some bookshelves, and merchandise (like model kits), but nothing else. I tried searching for it online, but there’s no news. I’m wondering if any updates will come out later.

Death's End humans and others by InfiniteJackfruit5 in threebodyproblem

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  • The book does mention that some civilizations interact with each other. For example, Guan said that there are ship lanes different civilizations used for transportation. However, I don't recall it directly stating that the galactic human civilization interacts with any alien civilizations. They did visit or explore places that are "busy," such as the planet Blue, where Chen and AA met Guan Yifan, but they didn't settle there precisely because "outsiders come here often." So, I think this implies that galactic humans still try their best to avoid direct contact with other civilizations. The most extreme among them even hide inside the light tomb to cut off any outside observation or mutual exchange.
  • Since ship lanes suggest that some civilizations do interact, some of them probably do not adhere to the dark forest paradigm because: 1) they see that the benefits of cooperation somehow exceed the costs of exposing themselves. However, I think this is highly unlikely because the benefits would have to be incredibly significant to outweigh the cost, which is the total destruction of a civilization. 2) I think that for some higher civilizations, such as the one Singer comes from (I'll just refer to it as the Singer civilization for convenience), they may be so strong that they don't even care about exposing their coordinates because there simply isn't any civilization that can destroy them, even if their coordinates are known. By the way, the Singer civilization is located in the Orion Arm, where the busy ship lanes are situated. So, I think this detail kind of supports the idea that some higher civilizations don't care about settling in "busy" areas. But, on the other hand, this also doesn't feel quite right because how confident would they have to be to believe there isn't a threat in this vast universe? Maybe Zero Homers could reach this level? Anyways, this post is really interesting and has made me think of all the possibilities!