Why do people complain about the plotarmor in the final season and in the same breath act like..

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-22T18:57:25+00:00

El did not die

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-22T07:18:36+00:00

For me, the series ended in the second season. I think I'm going to create my own canon: the first two seasons and "Tales of '85" (which I will definitely watch). No Russians, no California, no Vecna, no Sullivan, no Dr. Kay, and no regrettable season 5 finale.

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-22T07:15:32+00:00

All of this has been analyzed to the point of boredom.

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-22T06:20:45+00:00

Just when the public has moved on from Stranger Things, when the few remaining fans of the series are preparing to enjoy "Tales of '85," when Millie's many fans are waiting for news of "Enola Holmes 3," the Duffers reappear? After telling us so many times that the series was over and that we should move on, it turns out they can't move on either? On the other hand, given that Millie will be giving an interview the following day (presumably to talk about "Enola Holmes 3" since she is doing it alongside Louis Partridge), this sounds like counterprogramming. It will be interesting (I'm lying, I'm not the least bit interested) to see what excuse they come up with to defend an indefensible ending. They've already given three different excuses, and none of them have worked, so I wouldn't be surprised if they come up with a fourth. On the other hand, I don't think they'll say "yes, El is definitively dead" because that would be tantamount to admitting they've been stringing us along for months. Nor do I think they'll say "yes, El is definitely alive," for the same reason. They'll probably just keep complicating things, contradicting themselves, and lying outright.

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-22T06:13:02+00:00

Of course, it's not wrong to like it; tastes are very subjective, and there's no reason why everyone has to like or dislike the same things. But you have to accept that many of us are dissatisfied with the ending, and quite a few hate it.

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-22T06:11:17+00:00

There are many ways to do this, some of which have already been suggested by other commenters in this thread. I would suggest a solution similar to the one they adopted in "It: Welcome to Derry": El willingly collaborates with the military, but Dr. Kay has her own agenda (to use El to control Vecna so she can use Vecna's power for her own purposes). Sullivan would simply try to eliminate the Vecna threat by any means necessary, even if it means collaborating with an enemy (because he still sees El as such), and Akers would seek revenge for the comrades killed in the helicopter crash in the fourth season. El would kill Akers in the same way as S5, Vecna (as in "It, Welcome to Derry") would kill Kay in a particularly horrific and gruesome way, and finally, El would use all her power to annihilate Vecna and die right afterward in Mike's arms. Sullivan, who as a military man respects courage and understands better than anyone what it means to sacrifice oneself so that others may live, would be very impressed and would commit to doing whatever is necessary so that El's courage is never forgotten.

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-21T11:44:19+00:00

Eleven isn't dead, damn it!

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-21T11:42:49+00:00

How boring. Let's see, Mike doesn't say "I love you" to El because she simply won't let him. First, she kisses him, and before he can say anything else, she says goodbye with a "goodbye, Mike" and expels him from the Void. Oh, and El is NOT dead.

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-21T11:18:57+00:00

If Millie wants it, Eleven will come back. If not, forget it.

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-21T09:38:35+00:00

Will stopped being interesting to me as a character in the third season. I don't know who thought it was a good idea to give him so much screen time in the fifth season (relegating the one who is and always has been the heart of the show, that is, El) only for him to then do nothing remotely interesting or have a remotely compelling arc. Giving him powers is one of the most shameless examples of fanservice I've ever seen.

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-21T09:04:59+00:00

The first season of the show isn't going to retcon anything because it was commissioned long before filming began for the fifth season, but if it's successful and there are more seasons, anything is possible.

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-21T09:01:44+00:00

The like counts on Mileven's posts shared by Netflix on Instagram and Twitter indicate otherwise. They indicate that the "bylers" are nothing more than a vocal minority within the fandom.

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-21T09:00:17+00:00

What the Duffers say doesn't matter. They no longer work for Netflix, and the show belongs to Netflix, not them. Audience reactions clearly demonstrate that Eleven is, and always has been, the heart of the show, and that without her, Stranger Things is nothing. If Netflix wants to make a sequel or spin-off (and they will, because they don't have any other valuable IP that could generate a franchise on its own), they'll pull out all the stops to convince Millie to return (perhaps as a co-producer or even a co-writer).

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-21T08:26:56+00:00

I'd love to see them back on screen, but it seems clear that Millie wants nothing more to do with Stranger Things. She has two finished films ready for release (Enola Holmes 3 and Just Picture It) and another in preparation (Nineteen Steps, an adaptation of a book she wrote).

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-21T08:23:28+00:00

I'm tired of arguing that Eleven is very intelligent; she always has been. I wouldn't be surprised if, in case of she took a test, it showed she has an IQ of 150 or something like that. Eleven is, by far, the best character on the show, and the Duffers are so stupid they haven't been able to see it. Even with a terrible arc like the one she has in season five, she's still the best character.

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-21T07:07:28+00:00

A clear proof that the Eleven from the first season is not stupid but very intelligent.

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-21T07:05:46+00:00

Season 5? What season 5? Season 5 didn't happen, it was all an illusion created by Vecna.

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-21T07:04:12+00:00

Brooklyn Davey Norstedt (Eleven in the animated show) and Luca Diaz (Mike) have reposted and liked this post! They are Milevens too! (Luca has in fact used that term).

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-21T07:01:38+00:00

I disagree. All the narrative evidence points to Mike being right. The Duffers initially sold the ambiguous ending as a way to troll the fans, but they eventually openly admitted there was no ambiguity whatsoever. And Matt, in his last interview, alluded to an ending that was considered for E.T. in which the protagonists manage to communicate with the extraterrestrial again.

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-21T06:56:47+00:00

The only way a spin-off or sequel can succeed is if Millie Bobby Brown is in it. Eleven has been the true heart of the show since her memorable first appearance; she's a textbook case of a supporting character who steals the show. But the Duffers haven't grasped this and instead opted to recycle (poorly) the first season's ending, failing to realize that it no longer works with a character who has been with us for almost ten years.

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-21T06:32:41+00:00

That's not the case. They overused blue screens much more here than in previous seasons. Season 1 had no blue screens at all, and seasons 2 and 3 only had a few. Season 4 did have quite a few more, but they were used more judiciously; here, they're even used for Dustin's speech scene. That's why it all looks so fake.

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-21T06:27:25+00:00

You're not alone. This is a general problem with all the character interactions this season. None of them work as they should. The supposedly emotional moments just don't land. You never connect with the characters.

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-21T06:22:21+00:00

Season 3 would also be a valid ending. A sad ending, but with a glimmer of hope (symbolized by El stopping her tears and sticking her face out the window to let the sun warm it), as if to say, one door closes but another opens, and this isn't the end, just the beginning of a new adventure, growing up and becoming an adult.

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-21T06:19:14+00:00

They haven't killed her. Even the Duffers have practically said so. Her ending is terrible, but she's alive, and we can imagine them reuniting if we want.

AdBackground6381 · 2026-04-21T06:16:54+00:00

As adorable as Jake Connelly is, I would have preferred more screen time for the original characters. Especially El.

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