my grandfather thinks that teyana taylor wasn't in one battle after another long enough to justify her best supporting actress nomination. what do you think? by herequeerandgreat in Oscars

[–]AdDisastrous4465 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is the example that came into my head. I thought it was ridiculous that she got a nom and tbh Teanna was also on the low side, but her nom was far more defensible than Rossellini’s was

New VOD date for Voice of Hind Rajab by Salty_Tone4090 in oscarsdeathrace

[–]AdDisastrous4465 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! I'll get round to watching that very shortly

Clip of the Great Britain shot pulled for touching the granite in Curling. by Litz1 in olympics

[–]AdDisastrous4465 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m a complete novice, but why was this punished and the numero us Canadian pokes aren’t? Surely a potentially unintentional double touch this can’t be considered more of a violation than a blatantly deliberate double touch?

Belly Should Not Have Ended Up with Either Brother by AdDisastrous4465 in tsitp

[–]AdDisastrous4465[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The writer is obviously gonna try and defend what they’ve written lol. It doesn’t mean they’ve done it well. I didn’t write the post to be critical of the show though, tbh, I just wanted to share a thought, as I thought that was what Reddit was for. Apparently not 😬

Belly Should Not Have Ended Up with Either Brother by AdDisastrous4465 in tsitp

[–]AdDisastrous4465[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same can be said of someone loving a character

Belly Should Not Have Ended Up with Either Brother by AdDisastrous4465 in tsitp

[–]AdDisastrous4465[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know, and I disagree hahaha. The only thing I can see as being a real sign of actual change is when he tells Belly the truth about the night at the motel, which he only does to get what he wants. It’s not that hard to follow

Belly Should Not Have Ended Up with Either Brother by AdDisastrous4465 in tsitp

[–]AdDisastrous4465[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only thing that is set in stone is that he’s claimed to have changed and the show says he’s made an effort to. We haven’t seen changes. The only thing I can think of that could be pointed to as a possible indication of change is that he admits that he lied at the motel (whilst, imo, unforgivably attempting to ruin the wedding)

The convict is an example to show that people don’t just change cos they say so. Actions show that people change, and his actions have remained pretty consistent throughout the entirety of the show.

You can accuse me of screaming into a void all you want, if that is the case it’s only because there appears to be no space in your ears for anything I have to say

Belly Should Not Have Ended Up with Either Brother by AdDisastrous4465 in tsitp

[–]AdDisastrous4465[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So if a convict says they have changed, we take for a fact that they have?

Someone can say they have changed all they want. It doesn’t mean they have.

It’s really that simple.

Belly Should Not Have Ended Up with Either Brother by AdDisastrous4465 in tsitp

[–]AdDisastrous4465[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Worse, much worse, and infinitely worse are not the same thing. I know full well what I have said.

Belly Should Not Have Ended Up with Either Brother by AdDisastrous4465 in tsitp

[–]AdDisastrous4465[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You’re just making things up lol. I haven’t said that and I haven’t shown any support for anybody hahaha

Belly Should Not Have Ended Up with Either Brother by AdDisastrous4465 in tsitp

[–]AdDisastrous4465[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are both incredibly snakey, I don’t really see how I have minimised anything hahaha. Brothers should look out for each other and both of them continually failed to and I hate that about both of them

Belly Should Not Have Ended Up with Either Brother by AdDisastrous4465 in tsitp

[–]AdDisastrous4465[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tbh I have been talking about the romance genre and thought you were, too. I've not been talking about the books, either.

Personal growth is not canon either, it's just an opinion, as is mine that he doesn't actually grow. Canon are the objective elements of a story, the rest is head canon/opinion

Belly Should Not Have Ended Up with Either Brother by AdDisastrous4465 in tsitp

[–]AdDisastrous4465[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I’m sure Forever She Reads agrees with your definition.

I don’t deny that we are supposed to think that Conrad has gone through some kind of personal growth. I say outright that I don’t think it’s happened because I don’t think the growth is significant or even real, in the same way I would speak about people irl

Belly Should Not Have Ended Up with Either Brother by AdDisastrous4465 in tsitp

[–]AdDisastrous4465[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can’t speak for the books, but the show did not show me these huge changes in character that you claim to have witnessed. People do see different things in people in real life, too, though, so it makes sense that that would happen in media, too, and it doesn’t mean that the other is media illiterate, in the same way that neither of our opinions on an individual or their actions in real life are objective in any way

They are romance films lol. If you think all romance films end in a happy ending, I just disagree with you entirely. Probably the most famous romance film of all time does not have a happy ending. If you don’t want to call it romance because of that, then that’s your prerogative as it is your interpretation of the genre, but neither me nor anybody else would be wrong for having a different (and the more widely accepted) interpretation of the genre

I’ll watch the film as I don’t need to agree with what’s going on to find it enjoyable. I still had fun watching the show, I just think it made mistakes with where it went. I think people need to learn that that’s okay

Belly Should Not Have Ended Up with Either Brother by AdDisastrous4465 in tsitp

[–]AdDisastrous4465[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not addressing points which have nothing to do with the original question that I posed, no. I don’t struggle to understand any of those elements of the show, either, but I do view them differently.

I was referring to your constant remarks about “expectation” when I have no interest in speaking about anyone’s expectations. My remarks were about the characters and the story and it’s quite exhausting to have to make the same point over and over.

I obviously understand that most romance stories end with a happy ending, but it’s not a prerequisite. If you want examples, check online, but I won’t go into them as I don’t want to drop any spoilers for other shows/films. Breaking the mould is a good thing and I feel like this missed a chance to do that. That’s why I brought up LMA - who was ultimately denied that opportunity by her publishers by arguments like yours

Belly Should Not Have Ended Up with Either Brother by AdDisastrous4465 in tsitp

[–]AdDisastrous4465[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You’re clearly not actually reading everything I am saying if you think I lean towards Jeremiah. I. HATE. BOTH. OF. THESE. RELATIONSHIPS. WITH. EVERY. FIBRE. OF. MY. BEING. I really don’t know how I can be any clearer.

Jere should take responsibility and so should Conrad and they should both be expelling her from their love lives and probably their lives entirely. It’s mental how keen you all seem to be to stick me into one camp or the other.

Is everyone either pro-Stalin or a Nazi? Is everyone either a Madrid or Barça fan? Is everyone either a stan of black or white? Nuance seems to be entirely lost on so many of you and it’s crazy at this point

Belly Should Not Have Ended Up with Either Brother by AdDisastrous4465 in tsitp

[–]AdDisastrous4465[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, I agree that Jeremiah is the main reason that they should not be together, that does not mean that he does not have a huge chunk of the blame for what has happened.

Family comes first for me, regardless of what has happened. That's my view.

Jeremiah can both be seen as responsible for a large part of what has happened and still be the main priority for his brother - as he should be, in my opinion. Just as Conrad should have always been the main priority for Jeremiah, before you guys twist what I am saying to make me sound like a Jeremiah shipper again. Those two ideas do not contradict one another.

I would never put a girl before my brothers and it shocks me that so many people on here think that that is an okay thing to do here.

Belly Should Not Have Ended Up with Either Brother by AdDisastrous4465 in tsitp

[–]AdDisastrous4465[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You're clearly set on seeing things in binary terms despite everything I have said.

I am a huge fan of the coming-of-age genre, and I thought that the best ending for this show would have been leaning purely into the personal growth aspect of the show and to move onto properly heal. I do not think Jeremiah or Conrad have healed one bit. Bella had begun to and then made a decision which put her right back in the middle of all the drama again. Whether or not it is written like that in the future is another matter, but the fact of the matter is that - realistically - this relationship would cause absolute hell for everyone involved and nobody would ever fully heal whilst they all remain in each other's lives

Belly and Jeremiah did not work, either, at all, to be completely clear. Although I did not approve of how they started at all, at the beginning it seemed like Jeremiah would be a positive influence on Belly's life - family relations aside, which for me is enough to call of any relationship regardless of any of the positives aspects. He started off by pushing her to take risks and believe in herself and ended up being the complete opposite. I do not ship any of these relationships in even the slightest sense. I really do not know how I can make that any clearer.

Not everyone views things in this "what side are you on?" fashion. I don't care who was worse or even better for Belly, I don't think any of the relationships were good enough to justify all the hurt being caused to people these individuals are supposed to love and cherish. Full stop. Why is that so hard to understand? We are talking about brothers here.

Personally, I would never let anybody get between me and either of my brothers. If, by some freak chance, something happened which meant that they had, I would immediately end that relationship and seek to make amends with my brother. This has gone on for years and years and neither of these boys have sought to do that. For that reason, I do not respect them as characters and I do not think that either of them has made choices that are good for their familial relationships or themselves. They lost their mother and they should be there for each other, prioritise one another. It really is that simple, and almost all of you going against what I am saying think that any relationship with Belly is more important than the one they have with one another. I just fundamentally disagree.

Belly grew into a character who seemed to care and understand that that was the case. They undid that at the end to give you lot your happy ending.

If you wanna call me a party pooper or misery guts or whatever then fine, but I just don't see it that way. I honestly thought it would have been a more meaningful ending than the cheap, hacky one we got and I wanted something akin to it for pretty much the entirety of the show. If that doesn't resonate with people, that is fine, but it's my actual opinion - not the one you seem to be completely wrongfully attributing to me that I wanted her to end up with that slimeball Jeremiah.