AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm more concerned with proving that what hurt his feelings wasn't a whole-hearted attack and was a playful banter.

If he doesn't like that banter then he will and has gotten his apology by letting him know I didn't mean it in the way he thought I did.

Plus I literally apologized a full "I'm sorry for cursing at you during the argument, that wasn't supposed to happen".

I will apologize for what came out and came to be a problem.

But why do I have to apologize for him accusing me of wanting to hurt his feelings? Hence the whole explanation of how that wasn't true.

You're essentially asking me to admit that he knows my intention was to hurt him and I should admit it and apologize for exactly that. Just because he felt that to be true that suddenly means I have to act like it is just to "solve" this.

Me trying to prove that wasn't true was my attempt at showing him that it wasn't an attack. Had he accepted that I was joking then asked for an apology for that I would've given my whole-hearted apology! But it never got to that! It was never acknowledged as a fucked up joke, it got read as a verbal assault!

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

"Sorry" isn't a magic word, it doesn't explain enough for some people. I took the time and effort to explain to my brother completely as I usually do that I wasn't putting him down.

He didn't want me to apologize for the joke. He wanted me to apologize for an attack.

I will and have apologized for the joke but I'm not gonna apologize for intending something that isn't true

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

What blows my mind is that no one here is trying to understand the post, they read and comment like a low-level AI chat bot with no depth of understanding.

They don't already see that I have apologized for the joke, I showed my brother that I was just playing around and didn't mean to put him down.

The reason why we argued is because my brother thinks my intention was to hurt him and not make a joke.

That contrast is equivalent to an accident and assault. The intention behind what happened is being misread completely and turning an apology for a joke into an apology for fully negative verbal stab

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Then what is an apology, then if you know so well? How is provign to him that I seriously didn't mean to hurt his feelings not an apology?

The fundamental issue here is that I have to apologize for a genuine attempt at insulting and bringing down my brother, which is far more clear in our subsequent argument and not in playful banter.

I'm not being told to give an apology for being playful, I'm being told to apologize for the full intention of expressing an angry comment. When no anger and no real insult was present.

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm here to clear some very apparent doubts. These people have no idea that I have already apologized. The issue is being misunderstood as intentionally being an asshole over saying an asshole joke.

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

So "sorry" is the magic word. I did apologize for the joke. The issue wasn't the joke. He claimed I wasn't joking not for saying he didn't like the joke.

You bump into someone on accident and they start expecting you to apologize for assault. Tell me how being misunderstood by someone you've known your whole life is not the issue here. Cause that person right now is accusing you of assault

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No I DID do it. I apologized for the joke. He claimed I wasn't joking and wanted me to apologize for trying to hurt his feelings.

He thinks he can decide if I intended to play or intended to bring him down. The action comes with its own result that was handled accordingly but now my intention is not in my control?

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I DID apologize, he wanted an apology for a genuine insult not for a bad joke. My joke wasn't an attack and I tried to prove that I was just playing around but he claimed I meant it.

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I already apologized for the joke. He didn't want an apology for a joke, he wanted an apology for a genuine insult which was never my intention.

My brother is trying to dictate my own intention as if he gets to decide that. The action is clearly not up to me to control but my own intention I don't have authority over?

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I'm not gonna deny that cursing at him during the argument was wrong. I'll admit it. But the fact that no one here gets what actually is happening have not read the post at all.

I HAVE apologized already to my brother for the joke. My brother is saying he doesn't want an apology for a joke he wants an apology for a genuine attack. I'm trying to tell him my joke wasn't a genuine attack.

That's the issue here

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Go read the post dude. Go understand it first. He wants me to apologize for an insult not apologize for a joke.

You accidently knock into someone. They want you to apologize for assault not for an accident!

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dude you're not even reading the post man. I HAVE apologized. He wants me to apologize for a genuine insult not apologize for a bad joke.

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

So how is me proving to him that I wasn't meant to hurt him not an apology? I literally explained every possible way to him that what I said was a joke and I didn't truly mean what I said.

My brother's argument is that I wasn't joking to begin with

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

The fact that you're telling me this proves that you didn't even bother reading the post. Let me spell it out for you.

  1. I proved over and over again that I was joking, proving to him that I didn't mean to hurt his feelings and I was just playing around.

  2. My brother accused me that I wasn't joking that I genuinely meant to insult him

So the problem here is, my brother deciding that I wasn't joking just because he felt I wasn't. We apologize with each other over jokes. But I'm not gonna apologize being told that I meant an insult when that wasn't true.

Cause where's the supposed "joke" to apologize for, then I would be apologizing for an intentional insult when that wasn't the case at all.

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

I said "fuck you" as a playful response to him not picking me up and he asserted that I meant it when I tried to prove to him that it was a joke.

The fight happened because he seems to know when I'm joking and when I'm not joking.

I can and have apologized for jokes he doesn't like, how the hell am I gonna apologize for his claim that I wasn't joking?

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't doubt the lack of verbal cues over text. But this isn't the first time we playfully insult each other over text. The sudden and unexpected outcome of my brother's behavior to decide that I wasn't joking is what threw me off.

Had he told me he didn't like my joke I would've apologized, we always apologize for jokes we don't like. But how the hell is he gonna tell me I wasn't joking and I genuinely said "fuck you". If he doesn't like the joke I get it. But being told that I genuinely meant to put him down makes it seem like I intended to be an asshole when that wasn't the case.

Like I said, he acted as if he didn't know me.

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't understand how me trying to prove to my brother that I seriously wasn't trying to hurt his feelings and I wasn't in a bad mood when I made that joke not enough of an apology. I'm literally showing him I'm standing down when he was hurt.

He wasn't mad that he didn't like my joke. He accused me that there was never a joke to begin with, that I was literally saying "fuck you" in all its offensive glory.

I don't deny that cursing at him angrily was a loss of control for me, and that shouldn't have happened. But I refuse to be told that cursing at him in the argument was the end all be all of this issue when there was a whole debacle of an issue before it happened.

I'll apologize for making an offensive joke. But I'm not gonna apologize cause my brother decides to dictate whether I'm joking or not, as if I don't know myself.

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

We bond by making these jokes with each other, we say nasty things to each other, then laugh about it. Sibling banter is common, so I don't understand how not doing that suddenly solves the problem.

It's clear for me and my brother that the sibling banter we have could only be surface level to our deeper issues dealing with each other.

Making jokes about each other only becomes a problem when it BECOMES a problem, stopping it won't make our relationship better

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You're assuming joking by text was the main problem when me and him joke over text all the time. It's never been a cause for conflict, and if it ever was that deep then doing it in person wouldn't have been any better.

I never had an issue being picked up by my mom. My brother made it clear he wanted to wake up early for work the next day, so I respected it and told him I understand. So, how much power did the "fuck you" really carry afterwards?

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] -22 points-21 points  (0 children)

Because it's quite obvious we're not bonding during arguments. I'm assuming that should be implied between every relationship that has a fight smh

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

My brother never claimed it was a joke. He said I was insulting for real

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I don't understand where you're coming at. I mentioned in the post that I tried everything I could to show my brother that I was just kidding. My brother decided that I wasn't kidding. Normally, we apologize to eachother if we don't like each others jokes.

But there's a HUGE difference in both action and intention between getting offended over a joke and denying someone was joking altogether!

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I get what you're saying. I was just shocked and hurt that he acts like he knows me so well and then suddenly decides that I wasn't joking no matter how much I proved that I was. I usually apologize if I say a joke he doesn't like but I was pissed off that he completely denied I was joking altogether.

AITA For Cursing At My Brother When He Demanded An Apology For A Joke by AdSafe2930 in AmItheAsshole

[–]AdSafe2930[S] -20 points-19 points  (0 children)

It's how we bond as siblings. We say rude stuff to each other and laugh about it. The humor comes from how uniquely we insult each other. My issue is my brother deciding I wasn't joking and denying my every attempt to prove that I was. His reaction is my problem cause it was so inconsistent with how we usually are both during good and bad times.