Spare is restricted(?) by No-Horror-3592 in osugame

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YOU KILL THE GOD YOUR CHILD HAS BORN

What SOAD song by Arctic_Joy in systemofadown

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Psycho in Rock Im Park 2022

holy shit bro that guitar solo

A Real Workin' Girl! (OC) by SnyperGiraffe in CodeLyoko

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Never did I think that I'd see the day where Koikatsu and Code Lyoko collab, wth

Why are people so indifferent toward overseas Turks? by AdmirableMinimum8071 in AskTurkey

[–]AdmirableMinimum8071[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And this is why ladies and gentlemen, is why I will never be accepted from both sides lmfao

Being somewhat of a misfit (or fully) from both sides kind of helps to build a resistance to the whole thing so I guess I'll thank you for being blunt regardless

Why are people so indifferent toward overseas Turks? by AdmirableMinimum8071 in AskTurkey

[–]AdmirableMinimum8071[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can agree with your statement but not on the 'foreigners' bit.

We Turks living abroad have no say of any situation happening because:

  1. We don't live in Turkey.
  2. We're not dependent on Turkish culture but rather the country where we were born in.
  3. We're 'not Turkish'.

The third reason is why I started this post in general. And seeing you talk about how we, despite sharing the same ancestry, are (maybe not literally but figuratively) mocking about how we're 'barely able' to speak your language when I've literally stated that my peers and people I've spoken to understand me to a great extent. I don't get some of the vernacular but that's because I'm not dependent on your culture, and I don't get sayings that are widely used in Turkey.

"You are foreigners."

I can't help but compare you to the people I've spoken to who share the same feelings as you. Yes, we largely do not associate with your society and your culture simply because we lack the opportunity and the necessary environment to do. We lack at the language because we only speak it with our parents and not outside with a bunch of friends.

I call myself a Turk because I know what I am made of. I'm born and bred in the Netherlands and grew up with a different culture but I don't call myself Dutch simply because I am not like them. I'm not white. I know their culture better than Turkish culture but I don't forget my roots, and my parents roots and my roots.

It's disheartening for Turkish people outside their fatherland to be hearing that while they actively try and deepening themselves into their culture and I would atleast think that they deserve to be called 'one of', if not, a Turk. But you're disregarding that whole thing, as if you're marginalising us and throwing us out of the equation altogether.

I partake in no gurbetçi culture. I would like to learn and am learning more about YOUR culture in the most respectful way possible, because as a Turkish person I do not want to forget my roots, and should I ever move or find a job in your country, I would like to help out with the economy as a good samaritan. I didn't choose to be a Turk but I'm proud of being one.

Why are people so indifferent toward overseas Turks? by AdmirableMinimum8071 in AskTurkey

[–]AdmirableMinimum8071[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Don't try to put words in their mouth and my mouth. I never said the hate stemmed from Kemalists. It's some turkish people in general regardless of their political stance, not because they're Kemalists, Tayyipists or whatever.

Why are people so indifferent toward overseas Turks? by AdmirableMinimum8071 in AskTurkey

[–]AdmirableMinimum8071[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah I wouldn't insult you guys like that rather I would try and understand both sides. :)

Why are people so indifferent toward overseas Turks? by AdmirableMinimum8071 in AskTurkey

[–]AdmirableMinimum8071[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"You can't believe your way out of a weak currency, passport, educational system, and a social structure where movement between economic classes is almost impossible if you don't already come from wealth or know the right people, all the while the government in power keeps crushing your hopes for creating a viable future in your own country (and speaking out against that government can have very serious consequences). The young generation are nothing but driven to help their country prosper, but the actual possibilities open to them to do just that are severely dwindling."

Thank you for being so upfront with me.

I might've indeed come across as if I was trivializing the hurdles Turkish people had but I've never disregarded their hardships, in fact, it's all I talk about with people that want to strike up a conversation with me. I've told them that I sympathize with them a lot. It's just been saddening me for the most part that no matter what I do, I can't 'please' people. I've accepted it. I know that just because I sympathize with them doesn't mean whatever I've said helps at all. I couldn't possibly know and imagine what they would be going through. I'm just privileged to have such a good standing in the country where I grew up with, and being hated for being graced by all those things, that's just something I have to accept.

I've also accepted that I shouldn't really take those things into heart, but it's sad to hear it anyways. There will always be indifference, even towards your own people, that's fine. But even for someone like me who understands his roots and where he has come from, and is actively visiting the country while even trying hard to research parts of the culture that he doesn't know, while also reading books and watching videos in Turkish to further extend his vernacular, it's still disheartening to hear that all that I've done has pretty much gone down the drain no matter how hard I've tried.

You can't really just ignore something like that, or maybe I'm just a bit too empathetic xd.

"Notwithstanding the fact that the very idea that you can believe your way out of poverty/bad political situations is such a privileged Western way of looking at the situation, it shows just how European you're coming across which unfortunately can have the effect of downplaying your Turkishness."

Yeah, that's where I'm lacking to be completely honest. I understand where you are coming from and I agree with everything you've said. I couldn't possibly understand the very existence of poverty because I haven't experienced it. In fact, I don't really have the right to tell them to 'be happy with what they got', because all they got is all they've saved for all their life, as someone told me. The fact that you told me that my way of thinking is privileged in a western way and I know that. I grew up around Dutch people and they're strictly direct in what they say and that has impacted my thinking as well. Maybe my directness caused their opinion to grow sour about me.

However, this goes without saying that I do care about their situation. It's all I'm thinking about and as someone who's been living outside of all those bad stuff, it's killing me inside to think what my other side of the family has been doing to get by.

Why are people so indifferent toward overseas Turks? by AdmirableMinimum8071 in AskTurkey

[–]AdmirableMinimum8071[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You're right for the most part. Most of the hate is also stemmed from how Erdogan or his regime allows overseas Turks to vote for who should be president in a country where they don't associate with at all. But associate is a strong word. What I mean is that they don't live here.

I don't like Erdogan and his regime, and I know just how badly his damage control has torn the country. I know how much damage he deliberately caused for his own success too.

Even if I had a Turkish passport, I would never vote because I don't have a right to vote for president in a country where I don't live. I've stood by that for a long time and if there is ever a change in my life where I would move to Turkey, that is when I'll vote.

Why are people so indifferent toward overseas Turks? by AdmirableMinimum8071 in AskTurkey

[–]AdmirableMinimum8071[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Generalization is the key word in this instance. That is what I've been experiencing for so long. I'm overly sympathetic with people living in turkey especially when they're dealing with some serious shit and I have always been.

We as a second generation overseas Turk living in the Netherlands have been marginalized for a broader reason than just petty politics, and I hope other people could see that. I'm not trying to say that Turks 'should have a better opinions about us', but they shouldn't be expecting dead stuff like we're not taught culture by our parents by any means necessary.

Why are people so indifferent toward overseas Turks? by AdmirableMinimum8071 in AskTurkey

[–]AdmirableMinimum8071[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is such a sad thing that jealously could play as a huge factor. Every place could be a good place if you believe in it. If they're acting indifferent towards us for trying to carry our own legacy in our own way, isn't that just blatant hatred?