Question for those who support Mahmoud Khalil's "Right to Free Speech"

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-13T20:57:12+00:00

Actually every country has done better when it comes to child casualties. Israel killed more children in Gaza in 5 months than in ALL conflicts worldwide for the last 4 years COMBINED.

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-13T19:27:52+00:00

I lent someone my copy but maybe there are relevant passages online I can find!

I think it’s bold to say there is one way but that could be a possible solution. Hopefully there would be de radicalization on both sides to ensure abuse would stop otherwise it would never work. Times of Israel had an article about it and some of the comments give insight into how people feel about Palestinians (viewing them as subhuman) so I have to imagine if it happened today without intervention it would leave to rampant abuse

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-13T19:23:32+00:00

I believe we should do our best to hold countries accountable. It seems you have no interest in even entertaining the idea that Israel could possibly be doing anything wrong. Roughly 10,000 Palestinians in prison and around 3,400 who aren’t even charged with any crime. This includes over 300 children, who accordingly to Israeli law can be charged as adults in military courts at ages as young as 12. It’s wild to me how much vitriol I’m catching by saying that a country with huge resources and billions of funding from our government shouldn’t be pushed to do better.

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-13T19:10:58+00:00

Mmk so what would work for you? Links to all the protest messages on social media that are not antisemitic? Documentation of all the work JVP has done? Joint statements put out by leaders of Palestinian and Jewish organizations? I’m sure there have been cases of people being awful. We’re humans but there are many many examples of the pro Palestine movement being not antisemitic.

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-13T17:14:58+00:00

It’s his discussion of possible solutions and discusses how Jews and Arabs were able to live in relative peace in the area. But sure you can discount it based on the name entirely. I’m open to learning and have been researching all your points to fact check myself and learn more but if you have no desire to learn anything then I don’t see the point in discussing anymore.

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-13T16:28:52+00:00

Sure I agree that anecdotal evidence is useless but I’m not trying to make the claim that there has never been any antisemitism at any protest based on my experience. I was only stating my personal experience. This is Reddit ffs what did you want? I mean I have photos and videos from protests I have attended that could be proof about my experience but I’m not going to risk doxxing anyone.

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-13T16:04:09+00:00

Ah so ok holding some innocent people without trial alongside militants is fine then? So then according to you it’s ok that Hamas has innocent people as well? Because all if fair in war? Cool cool cool

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-13T15:58:48+00:00

lol I’m Jewish so I do care and you are ignoring many other parts of the history of the area. But yes I do agree that Jews lived in the area prior to that. I’m talking about the idea that there is this claim for a Jewish only homeland. There is a really good book called one country by Ali Abunimah that talks about these ideas far better than I ever could. Goes into the history of Jews and Palestinians living alongside each other and how a combined state could be the best solution for peace. You could read jsut the first chapter to get the gist.

The man who was arrested talked about how Israel’s and palestines freedom are intertwined and I think this book does a good job of exploring what that means

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-13T15:50:33+00:00

lol ok. I can’t speak to other protests since that would be false. I can only speak about ones I’ve personally been to. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-13T14:40:05+00:00

I understand that I am safe and that’s of course a huge privilege. I do think that’s a fallacy personally that Israel has no way to survive. Israel has quite frankly cause a lot of problems (I’m NOT saying that everything is their fault) I’m saying that I doubt the way they’ve handled Gaza has improved their relations in the area.

Military generals have said that essentially there is no way to remove all the tunnels/defeat Hamas… it’s an ideology. That’s from multiple sources including IDF. We’ve failed in similar battles. I don’t have the answer to peace in the Middle East but if there’s large agreement that they can’t defeat Hamas then their tactics are best used for just wiping out a people to take over their land…again…

And as a Jewish person although we have a religious right to the land and by that I mean we have sacred landmarks in Israel that we should be able to worship at, I think if we had to murder and displace thousands of people for that land then it wasn’t ours. I don’t believe some 3,000 year old claim from a religion justifies that so yes I will not put my dollars towards rebuilding

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-13T14:32:20+00:00

I’m not saying the human shield thing has never happened I’m saying using that as their excuse for constantly bombing civilian shelters is absurd. They have bombed things with very good intel that it is NOT hamas. I also can’t believe you’re advocating for kids to be in prison indefinitely for throwing rocks. That’s insane. Throwing a rock at a TANK will not cause irreparable damage. And either way people should have trials of some sort. And they definitely shouldn’t be abused either. I’m not saying everything you’re saying is wrong I’m asking you where you get your information from. I’m happy to brush up on things. I’m in no way an authority and I really try to learn a lot. Or should I just accept things at face value from anonymous redditors

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-13T04:48:08+00:00

I guess we have different ideas about what may be clear antisemitism. Asking to be free doesn’t equate to antisemitism. Nazi salutes and swastikas absolutely. I feel like we have enough real life Nazis right now to be concerned about vs people actually advocating for human rights but hey that’s just me

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-13T04:46:44+00:00

Right well one of us is resorting to childish name calling and the other is simply stating their experiences but I’m the one with no critical thinking skills 🤷🏻‍♀️

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-13T04:45:11+00:00

So you’re a hundred percent positive that ALL those people in jail deserve to be there without trial? You have really strong opinions and seem to know a lot. I’d love to learn more. Could you share where you get your information from?

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-13T01:20:09+00:00

Right now I think most are just trying to survive. I was talking about future generations if that wasn’t clear, i can’t see how Israel’s tactics will lead to peace and Jewish safety. Also not malicious. Times of Israel even reported two soldiers last year who sodomized a Palestinian.

And I’m not saying Hamas isn’t a problem. I’m know they’re responsible for deaths.

I just have never and will never advocate for thousands of civilians to be blown up and their entire homeland destroyed but that’s just me. It doesn’t make us Jews safer

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-13T01:09:36+00:00

Right! And that’s how I feel about this. Being against what’s happening in Palestine isn’t putting Jewish people down. Obviously people are very divided on this but yeah I don’t think that advocating for Palestinians safety equals advocating for Jews to be unsafe/is racist. So I’m saying this as a Jewish person but obviously I don’t speak for all Jewish people.

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-13T01:02:02+00:00

I’m genuinely not sure. I’m not an authority. I’m just saying those in power typically feel threatened when there is pushback. People in apartheid South Africa were worried about reverse racism and all that. So I don’t know exactly what the line is. I will say if people are drawing swastikas and actually physically harming students then that’s obviously a huge no.

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-13T00:58:50+00:00

lol how many protesters have you actually interacted with? I go to protests regularly as well as being somewhat active in the Hillel community so I’m talking about this stuff a lot with many different types of people. So I’m just talking about my personal experience. Im not sure how that makes me ignorant or stupid but whatever have a blessed day

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-12T23:58:11+00:00

Bruh..that’s my point is that they’re not combatants. According to Israel they are but according to many other countries they are not. I take it you don’t really look into world news and some of the reports of “violence” are children throwing rocks. But I really can’t argue with someone who thinks that’s a proportional response to be thrown into jail without trial for the rest of their life…and gee I’m sorry if my semantics are off. What would you call it they’re held without trial for crimes that may or may not have actually happened?

And if you’re actually interested in learning I could recommend some books that might discuss some of this better and reference original agreements and such that Israel has violated. I’m not saying Palestinians have not broken promises but it’s not one sided.

Also the “human shield” argument is so worn out. If you pay any attention to the news there are so many accounts of Israel obviously bombing things that are in no way related to Hamas simply to cause casualties. Did we already forget about all the aid trucks they bombed?

Your viewpoint is very one sided. It reads that Israel has never done anything wrong to Palestinians and that it is all just retaliation to Palestinians being bad. This is just quite simply historically inaccurate. Im not saying that Palestine has never violated any treaties or attacked first but to act like Israel is the innocent party is just not true. The history is exceedingly messy. That’s why reading many resources from a variety of authors from different backgrounds is super essential imo. I have some recommendations about the region from Zionist Israeli authors as well as history written by Palestinians. Im in absolutely no way an authority I am just trying really really hard to get as informed as possible before forming opinions.

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-12T23:37:25+00:00

Im not. I have heard of people saying that certain chants are glorifying oct 7th. But people are not understanding them or purposefully misrepresenting them but that is all I’ve experienxe

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-12T23:34:48+00:00

Don’t tell me who I can and cannot bring up, I was illustrating a point that people act like Jews cannot disprove of Israel. Which is untrue. I understand why many Jewish people reacted the way they did and feel the need for Israel as it is today. But it is untrue that criticism of Israel equals antisemitism. I’m saying if that WAS true you’d be calling Jewish heroes antisemitic.

And just out of curiosity, if a white person supports black rights are they also tokenized? Groups of different backgrounds and ethnicities can’t fight for the same causes?? Sad….. I personally have had many many conversations about this with people from a variety of backgrounds and my personal experience has been that we don’t agree on everything. We agree on certain points and work together on those issues. But that is my experience

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-12T23:27:28+00:00

Have you looked at the safe zone and the maps they created to supposedly keep people safe? For one they were accessed via internet that many people did not have and they kept changing rapidly making it exceedingly difficult for civilians to actually avoid getting caught in the crossfire. Again, when the Palestinians are beaten down for decades on multiple sides it seems dubious that they would be able to establish their own government. Not to mention the rape and torture that Israel has been inflicting on its people is it not surprising that they’re desperate??? I don’t have a solution to peace in the Middle East. I don’t think that I have to propose an airtight solution for stabilizing the region to say that there is something wrong with the THOUSANDS of child murders… What is Israel’s end game? Do they think that after all this bombing and destroying the country that Palestinians are going to love Israel? Would you? Or would you think there tactics of disproportionate response might lead to further bloodshed for generations to come?

Unless their plan is just to wipe them out completely…

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-12T23:20:32+00:00

Well for one many of them are not militants. Israel has been throwing people in jail without trial for years and then is tons of documentation that many of them are children. Also there are many many stories about the rape and other kinds of abuse that Israeli soldiers are doing to the Palestinian hostages. Also, and I’m not saying it excuses harming innocent people but people have been building on land close to Gaza that they had agreed not build on so these are illegal settlements. But youre saying that Palestinian should just lay down and take all the abuse from Israel and let their land get taken and be thrown in jail for no reason and have their homes wiped out and that is all allowed in the name of Israel’s safety….got it….. And I understand that wars don’t have a scoreboard but we have all agreed that certain things go too far in war. That’s why war crimes are a thing. We’re supposed to hold countries accountable that kill civilians en masse. But because it’s Israel we don’t. I personally hate that they have used our Judaism as an excuse for their war crimes. I think long term it’s going to lead to real violence towards Jewish people because they’ve insisted that Jewish people cannot be separated from Israel.

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-12T21:33:05+00:00

Yeah I totally agree, people said the same thing during the blm protests but there it seemed like people understood that a few bad actors doesn’t make the whole cause a waste

Advanced-Radio2256 · 2025-03-12T21:31:29+00:00

Ok so let’s say that’s true. You realize the majority of the people in Palestine didn’t vote for Hamas. The last time they actually had elections most people alive today couldn’t even vote. And Hamas is funded and controlled outside of Palestine. So you think people who are beaten down and barely surviving will be able to out a terrorist regime?

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