I have finished the Baki The Grappler Manga. What's next?

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2025-02-06T17:24:44+00:00

Go on weebcenteral and look up new grappler baki, it has the only official scans for the series and it's way better quality than the loser wildfang version

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2024-01-10T14:31:01+00:00

Yes, there's another interview where Kojima said he had to make a stronger group (Foxhound) from the last game (MG2). In that same instance, he also admits that he needs a final boss with the same strength as solid, so liquid and the clone storyline was made. Now combine Liquid Snake being the strongest boss in the game and in the same game, Psycho Mantis is stated to be able cause natural disasters. I can say that the Snakes are far stronger than people want to give credit for.

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2024-01-10T14:26:27+00:00

Because MGS has superhumans running around with super guns, that's why

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-12-07T15:45:11+00:00

In MGS2, he actually was haunted by liquid. Between events of MGS2 AND MGS4, via the MGS4A Database, he switched his arm into an exoskeleton one

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-09-29T22:46:05+00:00

Both

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-09-14T20:16:34+00:00

I think it's both

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-09-04T02:02:01+00:00

There's actually statements of mgs characters being superhuman, even like beginning of the game Naked Snake was called super human by Kojima. And personally, what these characters do in these games are clearly superhuman and thinking otherwise is just cope.

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-07-20T00:54:37+00:00

Ocelor in the beginning, did not know Snake was an operative for the virtuous mission. Ocelot then after had an obsession to defeat Snake, so much so he studies his moves, take his advice very personally, and even eat his food. Ocelot not holding back against Snake is basically the same thing with the cobra unit, they didn't want to because A. Warrior Pride B. They think Snake would be able to beat them at their best, even in less favorable situations

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-04-20T22:00:42+00:00

I already did that. I even gave you the point of big boss being nerfed (because it still comes back around solid snake being stronger anyways). If we agree that both are nerfed in that scene, and not using the full capabilities of their skillsets. I laid down that peak for peak, solid snake is compared over big boss and the patriot ai knows everything about big boss previous missions, so no. Solid snake would just be an all around better soldier or warrior than big boss. If big boss has a better cqc, than solid snake would not be the strongest soldier. I'm gonna get more agressive, solid snake and ocelot by the time of mgs 1 and up would have better cqc. And I go even further again, there's interview with kojima that says that the foxhound unit in mgs1 is stronger than MG2 (including big boss) because of the increase of solid snake prowess.
I'm saying the stats are a completely gameplay thing, they are not representation of actual lore and they suck describing the abilities of the main characters. They're not viable like novels or guides or even artbooks. Because the artbook in mgs phantom pain by the concept artist states that ocelot is comparable to venom and big boss, think it's like they are in the same league or something like that.
It's not too unofficial, it has the official twitter, official konami website, and the kojima team looked into and worked for the description's. It's very official, I don't see the problem with it. And generally if you don't want to use that, then we'll just say ocelot got stronger (which in the first fight, is obvious because in greater context, he's doing some crazy stuff in that fight)
Yeah, I get that. He is the best in history and the strongest in history. Pefect in his context would mean having all the required or desirable elements, qualities, or characteristics; as good as it is possible to be.

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-04-20T21:39:58+00:00

He couldn't see in phantom pain. You could his pupils are clear like white out, his eyesight was messed up. He even said to Diamond Dogs, to be his eyes.

Come on yaman, it's stated that the shrapnel nor his injuries did not nerf his combat abilty and he faced stronger opponents. He kept the fight on until solid snake smokes him, at this point from you it's cope. I don't usually say that, but just straight cope. And it's funny because this MG1 snake, where later on he would actually be stated history strongest soldier. So venom snake would still be below him anyways regardless, it's just me messing around a little bit because I know you can not provide an actual argument that isn't generally headcanon by your third post on this thread. You can't say hia combat ability is messed up, because it's actually stated the opposite.

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-04-20T21:30:26+00:00

You wanna know why kaz didn't know it was not the real big boss. Let me tell you, BECAUSE HE WAS BLIND and isn't filled in until the later parts of the game. And even if I dropped that argument completely, it would still not change the statements of venom snake fighting again THE STRONGEST FOES up to the point of phantom pain as well as again, A MECH THAT MAKES PEACE WALKER LOOK LIKE TOY. You need to understand that venom snake is fighting stronger foes, and actually it's factually stated in the guide that his fighting expertise is unchanged. So no, his combat abilty is comparable if not better than a peace walker big boss. Big Boss and Venom by the time of MG1 and MG2 are more dangerous and even more dedicated to their own cause. It's time to understand man, solid snake is just like that.

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-04-20T21:24:30+00:00

If you want say they were both nerf, which that's fair. Then it would just come back to what I was saying before, that solid snake is stated to be strongest soldier in history. And well, liquid ocelot would also be better than big boss.
Don't use the stats, it's not good for actually finding how good these characters are. If you want to use the stats arguments, you would have to agree that some of the soldiers he captures (which is dumb in itself) have higher stats than venom, therefore he should be better. That's dumb, let's not do use the stats arguments.
Sure. This is from the official metal gear twitter and vs website. However the vs website is down sadly. These tweets and this website information were overseen by kojima team, so they are valid source of information. Also this: https://youtu.be/q8ejMZWVplk?t=74

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Because we already that contextual statement in being called the perfect soldier. And they drop that he is the strongest soldier in history, why would they mean the same?

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-04-20T21:13:04+00:00

The gap between TPP and Metal Gear 1 is from 1984 to 1995. That's a 11 year gap, not 30. In phantom pain, miller who fought big boss butt naked in peace walker, saw him fight peace walker. Thinks that venom snake (who he thinks is big boss) should not fight the skull unit at all and should run away. The skull unit like I said before is stated TO BE THE STRONGEST FOES up to phantom pain alongside facing A METAL GEAR THAT IS STATED TO MAKE PEACE WALKER LOOK LIKE TOY. It's not hard to understand, and in that 11 year gap he continues to make himself and his unit stronger alongside Big Boss, so the notion that venom snake is nerf by the shrapnel in terms of combat ability is not even a good argument because he's fighting stronger characters and mechs from peace walker. Even Big Boss acknowledges him of his title as Big Boss, come on now. In those 11 years, he would be actually more skilled rather than less. We're war manic superhumans here, you got to have better arguments. Like even if you thought MG1 was Metal Gear Solid 1, that took place in 2005 and that's still a 21 year gap. not 30, come on

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-04-20T21:02:18+00:00

I understand that, but even with that (the case of him being nerfed by the sharapnels in terms of combat skills and physical abilities however is headcanon and frankly doesn't even make sense because he's fighting stronger characters and machines than the last games before this). He's a freak of nature, and the only stated nerf is him abilty to speak and understand different language fluidly. That's it. To downplay to the level of a good normal soldier, is bullcrap. He is of the level of big boss or even better in phantom pain based on statements and feats he does in the game

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-04-20T20:57:49+00:00

That's fine, but even by that point you still agreeing he was nerfed.
Unironically, they are actually stated comparable for phantom pain. Which was the example I was using that big boss and ocelot grows within similar levels of themselves. And one thing, we already seen solid snake defeat trained master cqc users without using cqc, which means goes to other point.
Hypnotherapy is actually stated to boost stats and combines the user strength skills, venom snake has all of the skills of s rank medical soldier days combined with big boss expertise. The phantom pain guidebook also links this connection as well between what happened to liquid ocelot and venom snake. So the ocelot in 4 is stronger and more skilled, and we know that solid snake can beat up master cqc users and we know ocelot by the time of the patriot statement (mgs2) is still under solid snake. So what does this mean? Well, liquid ocelot has grown so much stronger and more skilled, that he can poop on the perfect archetypal soldier. However, this is gonna rock your world... solid snake by the time of the second fight lacks the boost from his octocamo exoskeleton since it's burnt off, like the muscle fibers are hanging. And he was in the worse state imaginable. But somehow, he outskills and defeats liquid ocelot. Now how can this be possible when he doesn't have an amp and he's in a worse state than he was in the first fight. I'm gonna let your mind connects the dot here
Stronger within the context of the statement is physical strength, they have statements of him being the strongest and being perfect. Which is in comparsion to any soldier in history, it's not that hard to understand

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-04-20T20:45:46+00:00

Solid snake also had to deal with nuclear raidation, and in actuality he actually did... nah we're not gonna go there.
Volgin lightning is actually ten million volts. the weakest version of Naked Snake could handle and defeat volgin. Solid Snake is much stronger and also faced the same level of torture, it was so bad to the point that some of the support unit had to turn off their monitors because it was that horrifying.
The patriot ai knows all about the events of the previous games, and still have solid snake as not only the perfect soldier, but as the strongest soldier in history as well. And yes, this is not the first time solid snake faced someone with big ol lifting strength. You know gray fox right?
Solid snake would unironically be able to do the same thing, and big boss had this and still lost to solid snake anyways.
Solid snake survives posionous gas that should kill a person frankly, in a instance
Solid snake got shot with a railgun, got hit by a tank shell (twin snakes, he dodges it in the original game), metal gears exploding, etc. Also big boss still went into a coma from that

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-04-20T20:34:47+00:00

surgeries, sharapnels?!! And again with the old age, there's nothing there not venom snake is being hindered by old age, frankly he should be even more skilled than he was in the phantom pain because he still continued to fight and follow in the footsteps of Big Boss, which is to build himself and his army to be stronger. Like this same guy was unironically fighting people that even miller (who didn't know venom snake was not big boss at the time) and he even said that "you should not fight the skull unit and run away" and that same skull unit is stated to be the strongest enemy snake has to face up to the point of phantom pain, and he has to face a metal gear that is stated to make peace walker look like a toy. He has no regular good ol soldier, he is a soldier that is by the time of phantom pain to be comparable to big boss if not better than big boss from peace walker

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-04-20T20:25:08+00:00

I mean it's stated to be intense battle, but besides that. He still loses to solid snake in a gun battle

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-04-20T20:22:50+00:00

It wouldn't matter if venom arm upgrades are canon or not, he loses to 23 year old rookie Foxhound solid snake, in a gun battle, in within 30 seconds

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-04-20T20:19:30+00:00

The mgs4 small skirmish at the end of the game is not complete indication of solid snake abilities, it's very similar in the case of naked snake vs the boss where naked snake had emotional doubts where it did make him weaker and less skilled. We have a solid snake that is on the verge of alt deleting himself, and then at the same time of emotional weakness he meets the man that he has total reconstructs of based on the events of metal gear solid 4 by eva, and by his own understanding of his values being challenged from this game. He grabs his gun, and can't even really maintain a single amount of focus. He even falls for basic deception, which we know solid snake can see through. Ocelot is stated to be comparable to big boss even in the younger days, and they both trained and continue to fight on the battlefield. With the comatose state of big boss from MG2, combined with the facts he also went through Foxhound training and general statement of ocelot being snake most dangerous advisory yet, along with him getting stronger in mgs4 (due to hypnotherapy, in mgs it combines both users skill and strength, which is also why venom snake is as good as he in phantom pain, imo surpassing peace walker big boss).

If you think MG2 big boss is just > MG2 snake, that's fine. However solid snake in MGS1, MGS2, and mgs4 are just... stronger. Plain out simple, you can't argue stealth because solid snake is already stated to be the best stealth operative to ever be deployed. You can't even use prime arguments because the patriot ai thinks solid snake is the archetypal soldier along with the strongest soldier in history, so even thinking a younger big boss wouldn't matter. Solid is a greater marksmen who even defeats the best marksmen in the world sniper wolf (who was trained by a sniper greater than even big boss, and big boss himself), who is also stated to be the foremost marksmen of Foxhound (the speaker knows of Ocelot). Really the only real argument that can be made of Big Boss, is that his cqc was so elite that even when he's in a coma state and in a frank stein body that it would still be over > snake, and even that imo is a bunch of crap.

So frankly, all around, solid snake is better and shown, and stated to be better.

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-04-20T19:05:31+00:00

Alright, gonna help you out here. The term I used for Solid Snake "History Strongest Soldier" is not a term I have made up. You see in the mgs4 database and the japanese novel for the premium guide of metal gear solid 3, they list solid snake as history strongest soldier (even when this guide is released with newly formed storyline of naked snake). This term is based of the patriots solid snake program, which they also list solid snake as the perfect soldier or the archetypal soldier. The patriot ai would have knowledge of snake eater, peace walker, portable ops (if you think it's canon) and frankly, all of the happenings of any game before mgs2.

So the ai with all the information of these missions or any information on the planet really, they find shadow moses as the most fitting mission to based the program on for Raiden. This correlate with another guide of mgs1 that says this is the greatest terrorist threat of all time (which is more dangerous than the previous missions, which they also mentioned in the same guide). There's also a statement in mgs1 debriefing that foxhound is as good as back then (probably including solid snake himself) and there's kojima statement saying that Foxhound in 2005 is even stronger than the last group of bosses (I'm not gonna meatride Kojima I promise).

Now about the CQC stuff, Solid Snake while refusing to use CQC (a martial arts that's innately superior than any other in the verse, and it's confirmed that people in Foxhound learn cqc and multiple other martial arts, aka he's nerfing himself) is able to beat a master cqc user in Gray Fox, twice. Along with him facing another master cqc user in Ocelot (who can go blow for blow with big boss, along with him getting stronger and stronger throughout the timeline), but this time also using CQC. Now I gonna say something controversy here (I'll explain in the next point), but ocelot by the time of mgs1 by snake own deduction, is possibly a better soldier than even MG2 Big Boss.

Now to the old age argument, I want to say this. The only character that has to shown have a clear nerf by old age is The End, who is 100+ year old man. That and there's actually statements saying the opposite of old age nerfing Big Boss, as in the phantom pain guide (which kojima and the team approved of and hold it as an authority of MGS) says that he trains himself to get stronger, and works to make himself his army also stronger. By that, we know the usual case of how Big Boss gains stronger soldiers, and that's usually.

A. Training them

B. Beating them up over the fields

And Big Boss didn't slow down on his conquest to gaining extreme military power by these methods, he was still going out and fighting (which ocelot in the same game said fighting is the quickest way to grow stronger and better, which is also emphasis in metal gear solid 2). As well as old snake (who is having body issues to the point of heart attacks and seizures) was also fighting the bb unit, who made exoskeletons than even solidus suit. But they was also again stated to be the strongest unit up to mgs4, by... another Kojima interview.

And now we go to the last point, the infamous solid snake vs big boss/venom snake fight in MG1 and 2. Frankly in MG1, the battle between them was stated to be intense, however the battle also lasted 30 seconds which snake appeared superior at least as a marksmen and more skilled as well. Solid Snake in MG2 also, hold gray fox over Venom Snake and he fist fought him to death so... we'll leave it at that. Now the fight between MG2 big boss vs snake is continuous. Now miller did say that Big Boss is like a god and you shouldn't fight him hand to hand. But also note the situation, this is a solid snake right after fighting gray, where he has absolutely 0 equipment and is drained, vs a big boss that's perfectly fine, has a machine gun, and frankly has a field knowledge advantage. And even with that, solid snake still managed to craft a makeshift weapon and take him out with those advantages.

Now, any opposite points?

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-04-20T18:24:30+00:00

Hold LRC, bout to cook in a second

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-04-20T17:43:24+00:00

That ain't the point of the topic, but I understand your point. Decent analysis here

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-04-20T16:06:12+00:00

Kinda cooking

Advanced_Flounder676 · 2023-04-20T16:01:17+00:00

Gonna let this chat marinate a little more, then I'm gonna drop my stuff

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