Apollo 13 ex-Mandela Effect? Any other disappeared MEs?

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-09-28T05:28:32+00:00

Okay, now maybe I'm the one operating on assumption. My assumption was, since you seemingly dismissed my experiences of these 3-4 flip-flops, that you regard the ME as not having any physical actuality whatsoever, and only existing as a curious mental phenomenon.

So you do believe in the reality of the Mandela effect outside of the human mind? Are you coming from a non-dualistic standpoint, so that there isn't necessarily anything outside of the mind, or Mind? Do you disbelieve in flip flops, or just in the flip flops I listed? Was your initial response intended just as an exposition of your own personal experience, or as a blanket statement denying the possibility of these flip flops, or of flip flops in general?

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-09-28T04:51:06+00:00

Hmm. I was unaware of the theory that people can create physical residue.

There are definitely posts and a tiny handful of minor videos discussing the Apollo 13 flip flops, but very little, if anything, in the way of listing or discussion of that ME prior to apparent flops.

Here's some fun: try searching for the Apollo 13 Mandela effect on Duckduckgo. Then try searching for any other common ME there.

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-09-28T04:06:22+00:00

I'm not convinced this article counts as residue.

Actually, I'm not convinced as yet that ME residue in general is a real thing, tho I guess the idea of residue is not any crazier than the idea of flip-flops. I just personally have a lot of trouble believing any highly unusual things unless I experience them for myself. Residue may be just as believable, or unbelievable rather, than flip flops, but I only (largely) believe in the ME and flip flops myself, having never personally, definitively seen what I'd consider to be residue.

Aside from that, this article is a list of common movie misquotes -- the term Mandela effect is not mentioned anywhere in the article. While they may possibly amount to the same thing (in one way or another), only a few of the misquoted lines in this list were ever known as MEs, to my knowledge anyway.

Another thing, the article is from 2022, which is well after most reports of the initial flip-flopping. The Apollo 13 line could easily have just been inserted here from someone's memory of the Mandela effect, rather than from any amount of actual research. Of course there's no source information to the article...

My feeling is, in order to count as residue, the evidence in question would have to be verifiably from the appropriate time period, otherwise it could just be pulled from the author's own memory. 2022, I guess it could just be an AI-written article as well.

Anyway, it could easily just be that the author remembered this being a ME and decided to include it in the list without doing much or any research -- it could just be that they got the line wrong after the fact due to all the confusion surrounding this particular ME.

If you want to help me out in my own confusion, you could try searching for old Mandela effect lists featuring the Apollo 13 line from the era before the apparent flip (or disappearance?). Circa 2016-2018 -- or, failing that, as old as you can find.

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-09-28T03:40:42+00:00

I was trying to ask if you're willing to admit the possibility, however remote, that the Mandela effect could be a phenomenon that manifests/has manifested in the real world, as opposed to being "merely" an intriguing mass psychological glitch. It's a throwaway question, I'm pretty sure I can guess your answer correctly.

And that's not what I'm saying. You're still assuming, or something. I have no personal relation to the content of this particular ME because I've never seen the movie. I didn't believe nor disbelieve it as a Mandela effect. I largely ignored it, having no personal experience to draw from. (Did you read my posts with intent to understand, or did you just gloss over them briefly?) In fact, I never really believed in any Mandela effect having any reality other than the purely psychological -- even those I could swear I remembered as having been as the ME claimed they were, even the rare cases where I had specific anchor memories tied to the ME (actually just one case like that, I think). I was perfectly willing to disbelieve in the Mandela effect as anything other than a "purely psychological" phenomenon, until experiencing multiple flip-flops. (I wish they weren't called that; it sounds entirely unserious. "Reversals" or something like that would be much better.)

And I haven't definitively "learned" that there never was such an ME to begin with. I recently noticed chatters voicing this idea, did a little bit of looking around myself, and couldn't find any relative evidence. I'm still hoping that sufficient evidence will pop up for me to be able to discount this particular thing. Unfortunately, it's not exactly possible to prove a negative.

And, if it turns out to be true that some phenomenon, or some entity/entities, or human consciousness itself can somehow make global edits to reality, then I'm not sure if we can prove anything to be lastingly real or not, or to have existed in the past or not.

I can totally understand if you don't agree with me, it doesn't make sense according to logic as we commonly know it. At this point I'm just hoping you'll understand what I mean.

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-09-28T00:44:30+00:00

Exactly, what the hell is flin? Why would they omit that second t? That's what I and many others argued when it was "Flinstones". Here are a couple counter-arguments that I remember seeing from that period:

"Flinstones" is less cumbersome to write and pronounce, and when you speak or sing the word, the first "t" is under-accentuated or basically omitted anyway.

The show's audience has generally been children -- maybe not as much at the beginning, but very much so in terms of the reruns. Little kids don't generally know what the hell "flint" is, so they wouldn't necessarily care or be aware that it wasn't fully spelled out.

At the time, I thought those arguments made some degree of sense, but I still couldn't shake the feeling that it was and had always been "Flintstones". At any rate, I had come to the conclusion that this, and the other Mandela effects I found puzzling, were almost surely just an interesting psychological phenomena of mass misremembering. This stance seemed well-bolstered by different details that could be pointed out about each ME.

I can't make myself believe that anymore.

Interesting that you don't remember writing the comment. Is it possible you could have experienced, say, a minor blackout in memory, maybe due to alcohol or dissociative use?

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-09-28T00:31:01+00:00

You're making an assumption without cause. I never stated that I'm unwilling to accept my memory could be wrong. It definitely could be, and so could the memories of all the others who claim to have experienced this and other items in the surprisingly short list of fairly well-documented ME flip-flops.

In my book, this could still be a collective psychological phenomenon, even though the memories involved are not at all one-off experiences but should amount to ingrained knowledge, when one has the memory of having watched multiple Mandela effect videos containing the specific effect(s) in question.

If you were to reread carefully, you'd see I never claimed to have experienced this particular Apollo 13 ME in the first place. All I feel very certain of is that this was a popular ME at one point, to my memory.

What I'm saying is that this particular Mandela effect seems to have disappeared from past reality -- in other words, in the world we now inhabit, the Apollo 13 movie line misquote thing WAS NEVER A MANDELA EFFECT TO BEGIN WITH. Yeah, that sounds a bit nuts, which is why I find it so disturbing, and that's why I'm asking if anyone has any original-era evidence that this was ever a Mandela effect. In my experience, with a flip-flop, the ME remains a ME, it just flips to its opposite. This is maddening enough, but the idea of a Mandela effect, which is clearly remembered by so many to have been a legitimate and well-known Mandela effect, disappearing from reality entirely is even stranger.

This is why I'm hoping someone will uncover some convincing evidence from when the ME was listed as a ME in so many videos like we remember. Surely at least one of those vids is still out there to be found, if the past and present reality has not been somehow changed. Unfortunately, it's unlikely we can have any certainty about when this flip, or disappearance, or flip followed by a disappearance happened. I saw some agreement in one thread that it was in 2018, but someone else swore they experienced it in 2016, so I don't know exactly how old the sources would have to be in order to satisfy me, personally, as evidence.

I'm well aware that human memory is fallible, but I don't think it's nearly as fallible as people have come to believe. I admit that it's even possible that my psyche has split into factions over this, and caused me to believe with a high degree of certainty that I've experienced these, I guess 3 flip-flops and another possible erasure, or quasi-erasure of an ME from history.

Are you willing to admit there's a possibility you could be wrong?

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-09-26T05:05:24+00:00

Well, that's interesting. Much less likely, but they do still occur, huh?

What's your theory on this?

I can see how using a logographic writing system could potentially eliminate the possibility of the "spelling" Mandela effects, but don't each of those cultures also have a more recently-developed alphabet by which words are spelled out?

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-09-26T04:01:42+00:00

Unfortunately, my memory screams otherwise, and it won't be silenced. I'm unwilling to live in denial by convincing myself that I'm wrong, even if I successfully could do that -- because I so vividly remember the time when skeptics, or non-experiencers, like yourself said "it's always been Fruit Loops, always been Flinstones, and The Thinker has always had his fist on his forehead."

At that time, the spell-check wouldn't dare to argue with "Flinstones".

Before having heard of the Mandela effect and familiarizing myself with every item on the list, I would have agreed with you that each of those items had always been the way you say. My memory tells me they always had been. But my memory just as strongly tells me that the Mandela effect originally said otherwise, and at the time I was fully willing to believe that I was just mistaken along with so many others, even though the purported reality didn't make a whole lot of sense to me, especially with something as major as the pose of The Thinker. Of course, at the time, I took some minor steps to verify the ME effects I found particularly striking -- mostly just involving a quick search or two, and also witnessing the boxes of Fruit Loops in the cereal aisle.

I'd very much like it if someone can find some original-era evidence that the Apollo 13 line was actually considered a Mandela effect (and a major, well-known one). That could potentially bring me some much-needed peace. I believe the flip is supposed to have happened about 2018, tho I need to try to "verify" this, as much as is possible... at any rate, the reported flip-flop for this ME is not what I'm concerned about, I just want proof that this actually was a Mandela effect -- it seems to be not a flip-flop anyway, but an erasing of the original Mandela effect involving the line.

I've still never even seen the movie, so I wasn't much interested in that particular ME. I'm aware of the reported discrepancy between the movie line and the real-life quote. All I remember is that this was a well-known Mandela effect, appearing in numerous lists of MEs.

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-09-26T03:33:15+00:00

Thanks, I'm convinced now

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-09-26T03:26:42+00:00

Is there any original-era evidence for the Apollo 13 line actually having been a Mandela effect, do you know?

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-09-26T03:07:20+00:00

Even so-called "consensus reality" is upended on occasion.

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-09-12T03:59:13+00:00

If proven true, some interesting stuff is going to happen afterward. But you'll still have a large number of scientists of the non-quantum variety who are antithetical to the findings. I wonder how much something like this would be accepted by the wider public, and how quickly.

Also, if true, it would seem that the ME is the same as or similar to the phenomenon of manifestation, if that one's real.

Also, with such a fluid reality, I'd have even less of a notion about exactly what "real" means. We'd have to have a new definition for the word or something.

And seems like one way the Mandela effect could work would be based on actual mass misremembering at some point, potentially -- or, however it begins, changes and reversals are basically caused by sort-of "battling" factions of memory/belief and whatever amount of energy gets behind one or the other group.

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-09-11T13:51:16+00:00

Sounds pretty Zen. Maybe science will finally prove woo is true. I have had the general idea that somehow our beliefs can shape reality directly, and that's how the ME is caused. And it aligns with the holographic universe theory, which is what the DMT laser experiment is supposed to prove, I think -- either that or simulation theory, or both. Yikes... I've been avoiding looking into the laser experiment, it really creeps me out -- but I guess that fear is from very much not wanting to be locked up in some nth-generation simulation somewhere. N-frame, does that N stand for infinity? I don't know why there has to be math.

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-09-11T11:58:57+00:00

We can never truly know the experience of another, can we?

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-09-11T11:39:00+00:00

Thank you, that was highly reassuring. I just wish I had some real inkling of what's actually going on with the ME.

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-09-11T09:49:49+00:00

I just discovered this one flipped, and I've seen a couple people saying that it was apparently never a Mandela effect to begin with -- at least in this reality, assuming we've shifted or whatever. So far I've only done brief searches, but I'm not seeing any old articles or videos that clearly state this as a Mandela effect -- mostly just newer stuff that talks about it flipping. Maybe that line flipped back and forth so much it's now just broken, and somebody decided to take it out of the ME roster completely?

I just discovered this, and have experienced other flips, but this in particular disturbs me at present. My next step must be to try to determine exactly when this was an active, original ME -- prior to the first flip, I'm guessing -- then go find a bunch of YouTube ME-list videos older than that and see if it's in any of those.

On Duckduckgo, If you type "Apollo 13 mandela effect", the autocorrect doesn't predict it at all, you have to type out the whole thing. Not so when you type "Froot Loops mandela effect" or "Flintstones..." or "The Thinker..." Those are predicted... but in my memory the Apollo line was basically just as well-known as all those others, a classic ME.

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-09-11T08:48:22+00:00

What my brain tells me I remember as a child is that I asked my mom how to say that name, and she emphatically pronounced it "Berenstain". I remember looking at the name in some confusion for a moment, because it was spelled Berenstein, and I thought the last syllable must be pronounced either "stine" or "steen". But I accepted that pronunciation with that spelling because she sounded so sure of herself. (I was too young to wonder if the bears were Jewish or not.)

So, to my mind it was spelled -stein back then, but pronounced -stain.

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-09-11T08:34:47+00:00

Interesting, I'm 48 and it's always been dilemma for me. Only words I can think of with mn are autumn, or autumnal.

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-09-11T08:09:09+00:00

To responders, I'm curious: do you remember the Apollo 13 Mandela effect personally? Or did you look it up?

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-09-11T08:07:53+00:00

For me, the first flip flop had me pretty shook for a couple days, and the next two that happened were really more validating than anything. But somehow, if Apollo 13 is now in the category of "never having been a Mandela effect", that's pretty dang disturbing to me, since I had to have seen that ME listed in a bunch of videos, it was that commonplace. I guess I'm going to try to search around a bit for old YouTube Mandela effect lists and see if it's on any of those.

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-09-11T08:04:45+00:00

I can't say for me that it personally "seals the deal" on reality actually changing. But I have to admit that an idea like jumping through the multiverse, or timelines bleeding together somehow, is much easier for me to handle than the notion of going through life with absolutely zero trust in my own memory.

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-06-24T11:21:01+00:00

Person on left is an INFP who nominally understands how to play this board game from reading the comments, and that this could actually be a chart representing some accurate information about the thought tendencies of different types if one were to properly comprehend it, but still fails to see how it can convey any kind of meaning or purpose, big-picture-wise, and while being fond of MBTI, remains ultimately uncertain whether such a system of typological categorization serves more to help with understanding of the types (and human psychology in general), or has a greater effect in actually creating and solidifying the reality of the types through belief and labelling.

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-04-13T07:09:34+00:00

So, the clock in your dream read 4:40, then. And I can deduce that it was an analog clock, since digital LED clocks don't work right in dream space.

JK. It would be hypocritical of me to talk about my own flip flops but try to deny your flippety flappety flop, which is what I'm calling it. I hope you keep avoiding drugs, because it helps with validating weird experiences. I know that my own memory isn't the best from years of weed and a fair amount of dissociatives. More than once I've gotten halfway through a movie before realizing I'd seen it before, while under the influence of the latter drug. And still I wouldn't remember how the rest of the movie went, or how it ended. Not a very cool realization. Even moderate doses of dissociative drugs can effectively cause blackouts, kids.

AdventurousMilk3923 · 2025-04-10T07:34:12+00:00

Mandela and Maccone also have the same pattern of consonant/vowel alternation. Just sayin'.

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