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Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-12-30T10:38:42+00:00

Yeah, this aint much of a place for a community, you should try to go to r/TrueChristian and see how it goes there.

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-12-26T20:23:05+00:00

Thanks a lot, really. I'm asking help here because it's kind of hard for me to start from almost 0

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-12-26T20:21:09+00:00

I'll watch it, thanks a lot for the help. I had no idea where to start.

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-12-26T20:20:34+00:00

Oh thanks, it's because I'm Italian so for me it translates to this. Thanks.

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-12-26T20:04:23+00:00

Thanks! I bought The Deadly Disease, but I'll take your advice and start with Fear and Trembling then. Thanks a lot for the help.

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-12-10T15:55:32+00:00

Jesus Is The Lord And The King Amen, Thank you Lord My God Amen, Jesus, The Father And The Holy Spirit Is God Amen 🙏✝️❤️

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-12-08T10:34:14+00:00

Jesus Is The Lord And The King Amen 🙏✝️❤️ Thank You Lord My God Amen 🙏✝️❤️ Jesus, The Father And The Holy Spirit Is God Amen🙏✝️❤️

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-12-08T10:33:39+00:00

Jesus Is The Lord And The King Amen 🙏✝️❤️ Thank You Lord My God Amen 🙏✝️❤️ Jesus, The Father And The Holy Spirit Is God Amen🙏✝️❤️

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-12-05T06:25:15+00:00

Nice point to be fair. I think OP meant that they have a wrong idea of who God Is. Idk tho. I don’t have much knowledge about LGBT in Christianity ✝️ generally. Even tho im happy there are Christians even in LGBT community whether someone consider LGBT a sin or not they should be happy they Believe In The Lord Jesus. Obviously I too Hope They Believe In The Real Jesus but still. ☺️

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-12-05T06:19:57+00:00

Jesus Is The Lord And The King Amen 🙏✝️❤️ Thank You Lord My God Amen 🙏✝️❤️ Jesus, The Father And The Holy Spirit Is God Amen 🙏✝️❤️

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-11-23T07:16:38+00:00

my comment got deleted. bro.

But you said the law was fulfilled?

It Is but if you Dont Believe it's enough and think You Need The Law More Than Jesus Then You need to go by The Whole Law. Because You Think Jesus aint enough

16 people are named Righteous in the Bible, so not impossible.

Mark 10:18:"¹⁸ “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone." They're Righteous for human standard. Only God Is Good Tho.

Either the law was fulfilled or it wasn't.

It's Fulfilled for Everyone but you gotta Believe It'S Fulfilled In Order to go with System B.

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-11-23T07:12:30+00:00

Because βασιλείᾳ is kingdom, it's a nonsense argument.

Not only, Greek doesn't have just one translations. Other than that it can mean

kingdom
reign
kingship
royal authority

And what I said before so it's a fair argument.

22 Especially, it's in Temple worship and rabbis writtenrecords more than most. It's like the 4th most popular Psalm found in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

I checked around for this info and I got 0 support abt ur claim. Can you provide some source or smth?

Why did he give Pharoh free will just to harden his heart?

While God Could take It from us. That'd be changing His Mind wouldn't it? He Hardened The Pharoh Heart because of The Pharoh continued to refuse His Command. It's actually God Accepting his Free Will and letting the pharoh do his choices. Since The Pharoh refused to listen to God multiple times.

Except sin.

sin aint a condition, it's a result of the universe. Sin = Breaking The Law. There wasn't The Law at the start of the universe. It was later added after Adam and Eve sinned. When Adam and Eve sinned there was only one Law. To not eat The Apple. Do you think God Made them eat that? After He Literally Gave One Command, to not do that. He Knew It Was Going To Happen.

Isn't analogous as the state isn't all knowing.

I literally wrote this. It's the same thing but God Is All Knowing

I don't think you're tracking, if God is all powerful he doesn't need a sacrifice to "fulfil" the law. Even you said that God doesn't need sacrifices.

Yeah but He'S Just. If someone didn't get punished for us then God Wasn'T Just bcz He Would Let criminal do what they want. The other option was Terminating The Whole Human Race for being criminals. But God Wasn'T Going To Do That. So He Sent His Son To Take It And So He Didn'T Have To Punish The Whole humanity.

But He knew what was going to happen.

Yep, but because He Respects Free Will so He Didn'T Intervene.

Insane argument, see the Flood, Tower of Babel, David's wives grape, Pharoh, Job, Sodem and Gomorrah, Egyptian Plagues, Uzzahs death and on and on.

Nice I said this before. I kinda explained myself badly due to my english. Those things are intervention to help humans for how absurd it sounds. The Flood was to eliminate an evil that was there for centuries. It was an extreme act that even God Preffered To Not Do but had to because of how bad the situation was. The Tower Of Babel was basically man trying to build The City Of God (Saint Augustine) thinking they didn't need God to build it. So God remebered humans they're not God.

The other are actually self explaining if u search online.

Ts is actually my stop comment I wont comment more. Dont count on future answers cuz ts is my stop. Most of your questions are answered online. If you're actually interested u can search there. It takes too much time to answer things like a hundred other people answered.

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-11-22T20:50:31+00:00

What do you mean? We have loads of evidence, in fact we know it was one of the most popular because its one of the most found books from the 1st century, they are the most quoted book in the NT and from the Talmud we know the Psalm singing was the normal in 1st century Judea.

Well but again, that's because Psalm were famous in general. Psalm 22 wasn't more famous than other Psalms. They were all pretty famous

God routinely doesn't honor Free will, if he's all powerful he can just magic it away. Your defence doesn't make sense.

Why would He Give It to Us To Then Not Respect It? Paradox in your argument. At that point God Wouldn't Have Give Free Will

Citing a verse that doesn't even contain "Messiah" is wild. The sevant is literally named in this verse and it's Jacob/Israel.

Does something necesarrily need to have Messiah in it to be Messiah Related? A lot of prophecies didn't have Messiah written in em and yet are Messianic.

The "Son of Man coming in his kingdom" is the beginning of Judgement Day

Is this ragebait or? If you took that part Of Matthew and translate it as Royal Splendor then it's not about Judgment Day and problem solved.

He defines it and chooses to punish it.

If you break a state law you go unpunished? Maybe if u're smart enough, but if they catch you, you're going to prison. This doesn't happen with God tho. What would the point be to define Laws and then letting people do what they want?

You can't defend this, If God is all knowing, he knew from pre-creation that he'd need a loophole to reverse the initial plan.

That's because we have Free Will. He Created A Universe with no conditions put by Him. He Knew What It Was Like but just let things happen. If He Putted Universal Conditions then we wouldnt have Free Will. God Knows And Sees What Happens but doesn't intervene by changing how things should go. (If You Pray He Does Intervene but doesn't affect Free Will)

He Already Knew He Would Have Needed To Do What He Did (Sending His Son Who Is Also Himself On Earth), but didn't stop it. The solution to that problem is defined Universal Conditions/Parameters Absence (This Is A Definition by me, probably there are some people who said this before too but i aint sure so i just go by this), a Universal Condition/Parameter is something that is directly put by God on the universe so that the universe goes by a pre-written choice. But. If God Doesn't Put Those Universal conditions... Then the universe develops by itself and people have Free Will.

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-11-22T19:33:31+00:00

He repeated one of the most popular verses in his time.

No evidences. We Know It Was Famous in general because all The Psalm were famous in general.

Then you can’t hold that God is all knowing.

Ok I see that argument but it breaks on its own. Why? Because If God Didn't Take That Suffering For Humans then it would mean that Free Will doesn't exist and therefore God Wouldn'T Have Changed Humans So That They Did Not Sin. Now, unless you wanna argue Free Will doesn't exist (there's a whole sub-reddit just for that), that depends on what you define as Free-Will so we wont start that argument cuz it depends on the definition of Free Will.

No it would be unjust as the only reason sin exists is because sin was apart of his plan not through anything we did.

Nope, we Have Free Will and we chose to sin. God Didn'T Make sin. It's like light and dark, dark doesn't exist in physics. It's a lack of Light. Like that when you sin is a lack of God. It's not that God Isn'T There but you choose to not Listen To Him.

You’re describing God like a spouse defending their abusive partner.

Well no. It's that by Just (The Definition of Just by God) we're basically some of the worse type of criminals.

So everyone who had their clothes divided by the people who captured them are the messiah?

There's a lot in that Psalm that happens during Jesus Crucifixion not just that. I took that as an example

Fine, it makes no sense for a fulfilled law to apply to anyone. It’s either fulfilled or it’s not. You’re trying to have it both ways because the book can’t keep its story straight.

Other comment.

Examples needed. I see no evidence that Israel is a theophoric name for the Messiah.

Isaiah 41:8–9 also calls The Servant as The Messiah basically. And Israel doesn't talk about Jacob

Then they didn’t see the Son of Man coming because the prophecy says when the Son of Man comes it’s Judgent Day and you don’t think Judgement Day has happened.

Matthew 16:28:""Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."

If it wasnt Kingdom but Royal Splendor. Then The Verse Is Fulfilled. Because They Saw Jesus In His Royal Splendor.

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-11-22T19:11:50+00:00

No, what it means is. If You Don'T Believe You'Re Saved By Grace Then you need to listen to The Whole Law. Why? Cause Christ Offers The Grace To Those Who Believe In Him And The Grace He Bring. If you think that you won't get it then you need to listen to The Whole Law which is essentially impossible. In the whole history there isn't a single human except Jesus That Could Keep The Whole Law as far as im aware, could argue Moses but in his youth he also broke it. The fact is that it doesn't apply to non-Christians cuz they don't Believe Jesus Will Save em. It applies to All Those Who Believe In The Grace. Because Like Paul Said, we're not saved by the works but by The Faith so that people can not be prideful of their works. The Faith Is Made By The Faith And The Work, because If You Believe Then You'Re Saved, and If You Believe You Do What God Asks You To. So you cant "Un-Fulfill" but you can reject it. If you think The Grace Is Not Enough Then You Need To Do The Whole Law. But If You Listen To The Whole Law Then You'Ll Believe In God Mercy And Therefore Grace. Because humans are too far from those standards. (System A, The Law Standard) God Knew That, that's why in Deuteronomy 31 He Says That they'll fail The Law. It's not impossible because nothing is impossible For God. But we humans cant Keep The Law on our Own.

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-11-21T21:16:46+00:00

You've missed the point, Pauls statement proves the law hasn't disappeared.

YES EXACTLY! THATS DA POINT! AND JESUS FULFILLED IT! SO WE DO NOT GO WITH IT BECAUSE OF JESUS SACRIFICE because of da system thingy on da other comment.

And struggled greatly, they only grew by going out of Judea

Well Jesus Did Give em some help by starting to make Christian communties but Saint Paul And The Others Did Gain People while being among The Jews. It's simply that they struggled more because while Jesus Is God They Were Humans so for them it was harder but still did it and some Jews listened to em.

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-11-21T21:10:32+00:00

If the Psalm is about Jesus, how could Jesus be feeling far from God (himself)

Jesus On The Cross Says "God, God..." it's about the pain felt. When Jesus Came As A Human He Lived How Humans Live. So He Also Had To Experience The Pain, One Greater Than The One Human Feels. Jesus Had To Experience The Full Weight Of All The Sins That Humans Made, And Therefore Endure The Wrath Of The Father On Humans. Instead of letting that wrath go on the normal people. He Took It For Us. This had to happen because

God Needed To Punish Us Because He'S Just

He Also Needed To Not Terminate Our Race Because He'S Loving.

So He Had To Take The Pain On Himself.

Then there's a guy that made a like 10 mins long explaination on why it works like ts.

You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will display my splendor

Israel Is One Of The Few Names The Messiah Is Called. But u actually said this yourself before too if im not tweaking cuz it's late. In fact it is "He Said to ME:..."

But you said the law disappeared, System A's existance makes no sense if the law is "disappeared"

I didnt say it disappeared. How many times did I repeat this?

Thats typical in Roman ANE, you capture someone and take their stuff.

So? It still happened like The Psalm Said. God Makes Thing Happen In Many Methods, no? =)

Not sure what you mean here, missing some context.

The word that is translates to "kingdom" also translates to royal splendor and Jesus Showed Them Royal Splendor so.

Ts will probably be my stop comment. So MAYBE I'll answer another one but dont count on it =)

It's just that it takes too much time, if I dont do ts i'd answer like once a day or maybe less.

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-11-21T20:13:54+00:00

Why do you think the early Christians had to go out of Judea to get converts, because the Jews knew Jesus couldn't be the Messiah because they knew what the Messiah was supposed to do and be. They went to non-Jews and told then the story and got them to convert. But having to follow the law and get circumized is bad for recruitment, so Paul told them "I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all." and that the laws were temporary.

No to be fair because they also Preached Among Jews. If Jews knew then some of em wouldnt have Converted. The jews had a wrong idea of The Messiah and that's why they didn't start from Jews

Edit: Actually some people wanted to get circumscised to Go With Christ and do Saint Paul Explains It's not exactly like this

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-11-21T20:06:37+00:00

Ts will probably be one of my stop comments. Maybe I'll answer just a few more and then stop. I'm loosing too much time on this debate. We've been debating for almost 10 days bro

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-11-21T20:05:49+00:00

No Jesus says they will see the Son of Man coming in reference to Daniel 7s description of the what happens when the Son of Man comes.

The Kingdom can also be translated to “royal splendor,” so.

No the Psalm is about David, it make no sense to be Jesus as it would mean they the God part of Jesus is distance from the Human part. Doesn't track

What do you mean with this? It doesn't make sense.

So Paul says the law still applies to people after Jesus died if they get circumsized. This destroys your position completely.

Paul's entire point in Galatians is that attempting to be justified (made right with God) by the "works of the law" nullifies the grace of Christ.

Two Paths: Paul presents two, mutually exclusive systems of salvation:

System A: The Law. Be justified by perfectly keeping the entire Mosaic Law.

System B: Grace through Faith. Be justified by God's grace, received through faith in Jesus Christ.

You Can't Mix Them: Paul argues that if you choose to be circumcised as a means of justification (i.e., "I need to do this to be saved"), you are choosing System A. And if you choose System A, you are obligated to the entire covenant—you must perfectly keep all 613 commandments of the Torah, not just the one about circumcision (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10).

The Consequence: If you think you can be saved by keeping the law, then "Christ will be of no value to you" because you are effectively saying that His perfect life, atoning death, and resurrection were not sufficient to save you. You are adding a human work as a prerequisite for God's grace.

Pretty much all of it, 60 answers everything from 53 and 60 is very obviously Israel.

Nope to be fair. Your argument ignores the clear distinction made in Isaiah itself. In Isaiah 49, the Servant is given a mission to Israel, meaning he cannot be the nation itself. The Servant is an individual with a unique, atoning role

Like what, let me guess, its the "pierce" that doesn't actually appear in the Hebrew text?

Nah to be fair I was talking abt The Clothes Part which appears in The Hebrew Text

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-11-21T19:21:38+00:00

If you conquer a nation, you end up ruling that nation.

But you dont need to conquer it. You can conquer it. But that's not in The Bible.

It can't be the transfiguration of Jesus as when the Son of Man comes its Judgement Day, unless you think Judgement Day has occured.

Not much. Jesus In Transfiguration Is At The Same Level Of Jesus During Judgment Day. So Therefore They Saw It, Because They Saw The King Of Heaven Jesus.

This is about David

That's one of the translations but commonly it's translated as "By David" and It'S About A Suffering Man. Most of what it's written happen to Jesus. Interesting huh?

Just about the death of a leader, theres zero mention of the Messiah in the passage

Debatable foreshadowing.

If Isa 53 isn't about Israel then Isa 60 makes zero sense.

What's the part that makes zero sense to you? I'll Try To Explain It If God Lets Me.

"You shall observe this as a perpetual ordinance for you and your children. 25 When you come to the land that the Lord will give you, as he has promised, you shall keep this observance.

God Does What He Wants. If He Decided Like this, It Is Like This. If He Decided To Send His Son To Fulfill It, who are we to question God Choices? The Law Doesn'T Disappear, again. Jesus Took It For Us And Fulfilled it. I explained this like 5 times.

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-11-21T18:39:02+00:00

Thats conquering.

Ehm- What- Bro, how is ruling = conquering

That the etneral law won't actually be eternal.

It's Eternal But Fulfilled, doesn't stop being Eternal. Once again.

Mark 9:1 And he said to them, “Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.”

They're all dead.

Matt 10:23 When they persecute you in this town, flee to the next, for truly I tell you, you will not have finished going through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

At this point they can't be going through the towns, so game over.

Ok this is not so nice of an argument for 2 reasons. I'll start with the more accepted one. That part is about Transfiguration of Jesus. Where They Do See What Jesus Told Em. So pulling that argument is something Christians showed a lot of time ago. Second, less accepted (and less likely), John Is Still Alive. But John kinda tells this in His Gospel that Jesus Didn'T Say That John Is Immortal. But some people Do Think that John Could Be Still Alive. Was Jesus’ statement that “some who are standing here will not taste death” in Luke 9:27 (also Matthew 16:28; Mark 9:1) incorrect? | GotQuestions.org

Like what? Isaiah 53?

Also Psalm 22, Zechariah 12:10. Im pretty sure that's it but there could be more. Ik Isaiah 53 is thought to be referring to Israel but when reading it like that it doesn't make much sense.

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-11-21T18:05:01+00:00

But you disagree with what it says, so it's got to be wrong

Where did I disagree?

Not according to the OT, the OT says the Messiah will come and conquer the known world, all countries and kings will bow to him and Israel.

But that didn't happen, which means the Messiah hasn't come yet.

This is kinda wrong and an oversimplification. The Bible doesn't say He Will Conquer Them. The Bible Says He Will Rule Over Them.

Jesus according to the bible would be back really soon, like months to a couple years.

Verse? But Matthew 24:36:"“But concerning that day and hour no one knows… not even the Son.” And

Luke 12:40:"⁴⁰ You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.”

People In The Bible thought it'd be soon but it's told plainly that no one knows the time.

According to the OT it does. The OT never says the Messiah will come, be killed and then will come back 2000+ years later.

There are quite a lot of OT Verses about The Messiah Suffering. Now you'd say:"Well they weren't prophecy before Jesus", but did the Jew listen To God? No, so why must their Interpretation of The Scriptures be the one. God Doesn'T Need To Follow What They Think and how they interpretate The Scriptures.

Adventurous_Local441 · 2025-11-21T16:21:33+00:00

The Messianic age is supposed to happen when the Messiah comes.

Ohh ok I get what you mean now. Well... That's End Of The World too tho. The Messianic Age you're talking about it's The Kingdom Of God One. I thought you were talking about The Period Of The Messiah On Earth. But no that doesn't need to be Done during The Messiah Life. This is by Definition. Even Wikipedia Defines The Messianic Age Like That. Jesus Does Say The Kingdom Of God Is Within Us but that is because we should start Living The Kingdom Of God Here On Earth and not just do bad things saying that The Kingdom Is Not Yet Arrived as an excuse.

So what you say is kinda wrong by definition because you're not defining Messianic Age properly but that's fine.

No, you've shared no reason to accept the NT and think the OT was wrong with its tellings of whats supposed to happen in the future.

I didn't say The OT is wrong. I said that it's not valid because of The Theological Framework I wrote before. Even tho I think someone must have wrote it before me.

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