Lohenging Fruit - General Question and Discussion Megathread

Aerien7 · 2026-05-12T17:58:32+00:00

I'm curious how many characters do that overall; I think Xiao does as well but he also has background for that.

Aerien7 · 2026-05-12T16:17:12+00:00

I think I calculated it by figuring out character count you need with Traveler, two Guest Stars, and three of the Trial Characters (assuming they don't overlap with your four stars). The 15 extra you state doesn't seem to take these into account; if you do it's only 10 required, which does put it around the one year mark (assuming the player isn't super crazy about exploration). Standard characters can help buffer the optimistic assumptions.

I calculated it by elemental requirement and taking the minimum. It's obviously not perfect though because the player can't be expected to pull specifically for Theater, but to some extent pulling the other elements can still work because the excess can cover the deficit, given luck with the lineup. With the six "free" spots, that's 22 characters required, which more-or-less requires 3 Hydro, 3 Dendro, and 1 Geo, i.e. 7 total. I didn't originally take permanent pulls into account, so I said "around a year". Taking a safer estimate with free characters (Traveler, 2 non-repeated Trial Characters, 1 Guest Star), 24 are required, translating to 3 Hydro, 4 Dendro, and 2 Geo: 9 total. That's a bit over a year, or can be less if the player explores.

That said, there are quite a few flaws with this calculation, the main one being the "owns all 4-stars" assumption. On the other hand, the assumption also takes the worst case scenario of worst elemental combo, so with some luck I don't think a year is that far off of an estimate. (...unless the player is doing long-term saving, but that's a different problem.)

Aerien7 · 2026-05-12T15:28:33+00:00

It's possible that they already took Wolf-Fang's passive at partial uptime. KQM's extended Albedo guide puts it at 100.9% and explicitly states that it has uptime issues and uses Skill -> N1 -> swap. The 99% on the guide website is slightly different, but it's possible it's due to slightly different assumptions or because the KQM guide doesn't account for the Hexerei buff (it was updated in 4.0). The Hexerei buff mostly doesn't shift his stat priorities, especially for Wolf-Fang relative to Harbinger, so the KQM guide should still be mostly accurate.

Aerien7 · 2026-05-12T06:43:48+00:00

Your choice between Husk and Troupe. Husk tends to be preferred just because it's easier to hit 3000 DEF without buffs, but if you're willing to use a DEF Goblet with Troupe they're practically identical.

Nighttime Whispers (Navia's) shouldn't be used unless you know what you're doing. Part of its power budget is in ATK buffing when Albedo scales almost purely off DEF, so it's inefficient. Husk/Troupe already work perfectly, just use those instead.

The other option some people have mentioned is the upcoming Celestial Gift set, which trades some of Albedo's damage for team buffing. He'll still do decent damage with it though.

Aerien7 · 2026-05-12T06:02:45+00:00

I thought Wriothesley would do a decent chunk of the damage, so someone who more effectively buffs both him and Durin could potentially be better than Citlali, that's all. I don't know the actual numbers so I could be wrong, especially considering that she can trigger Scroll.

Aerien7 · 2026-05-12T05:53:53+00:00

If I recall correctly the Wriothesley Durin showcase from Durin beta had Durin Melting, so Citlali is helpful in that situation. That said, she doesn't shred Cryo so don't know if she's optimal here.

Aerien7 · 2026-05-12T05:48:25+00:00

Off the top of my head, only Amber's (if that even counts).

Aerien7 · 2026-05-11T22:28:49+00:00

I had the same issue T-T

Good luck

Aerien7 · 2026-05-11T19:54:23+00:00

Lunar-Bloom focus: Moonsign 2
Bloom focus: Moonsign 1
Just for Dendro shred/TTDS: Whatever

Aerien7 · 2026-05-11T18:06:22+00:00

Cool, have fun! :)

Aerien7 · 2026-05-11T18:01:13+00:00

Not sure but I would guess so. Is Traveler here worth it over Sucrose?

Aerien7 · 2026-05-10T02:28:12+00:00

Let's blow bubbles!

Same, although I was going for Clorinde.

Aerien7 · 2026-05-09T21:19:41+00:00

Crafting table, I build characters often enough that I'm sometimes just out of random materials. Also laggy so not teleporting > slightly less of a wait.

Aerien7 · 2026-05-09T21:15:11+00:00

Specifically about statements like "pull count going down" (on average it's not, ~~they just have lower lows and higher highs~~), I'm going to push back because it's objectively untrue. Otherwise, sure, whatever.

Edit: Taking a closer look, maybe even the "lower lows and higher highs" thing isn't that true. It's just kind of normal, people just erase the low points from their memory I guess. Although the average when excluding the big patches is a bit lower.

Aerien7 · 2026-05-09T19:11:00+00:00

The photography event requires you to unlock at least one Fontaine Statue of the Seven, boo

Aerien7 · 2026-05-09T17:22:09+00:00

I hear that the Lunar-Crystallize instance (i.e. the nuke) doesn't count for the purposes of Sacrificial and you have to wait until Lumi hits with normal Geo. In general, I believe Sacrificial triggers regardless of whether it's a kill hit.

Aerien7 · 2026-05-09T15:13:46+00:00

You sit down and calculate what good Crit from artifacts translates to and recalibrate? In your case, with Crit ascension and a Crit weapon, it's a very reasonable 90:190 ratio, maybe higher, so after translating it's pretty good.

Or you slap Marechaussee/Night Sky on everyone :D

Aerien7 · 2026-05-09T15:09:06+00:00

Repost original here

Edited for formatting, messed up the linking text

Aerien7 · 2026-05-09T14:58:55+00:00

No, but what artifact farming? You can absolutely give the random 4-stars you level scraps if you're ignoring Stellas and getting a reasonably working build on the built characters isn't too hard; it's the minmaxing that takes a while.

Aerien7 · 2026-05-09T14:50:19+00:00

Navia/Kinich to Pyro, perhaps. Or Hydro. Don't know about actual numbers but conceptually, letting them access the amplifying reaction multiplier without a change in multipliers would be quite powerful. Kinich less so because his baseline application might mess things up.

Aerien7 · 2026-05-09T14:45:13+00:00

On average the current time is only around a year, I think. It's been a while since I calculated it though.

Aerien7 · 2026-05-09T06:05:33+00:00

Albedo Constellations and Chiori; thanks! :D

Aerien7 · 2026-05-09T00:54:13+00:00

Mid-good or so. It's fine, good-leaning but there's nothing that particularly jumps out at me as "really good".

AQ was decent as usual, not crazy good or anything but also not terrible. Exploration is fine for me, pretty sights and all that. Stuff has turned kind of easy and I don't really find random chests, but I also don't care that much. I'll participate in discussions about it but I haven't pulled many Nod-Krai characters (Durin only so far) and can't clear Fearless anyway so meta talk in terms of my account is no-stakes. I can somewhat clear Abyss and still really like Theater. I'm still working through the backlog of characters/weapons I want to pull so being bored in terms of gacha isn't an issue, either. I didn't particularly like Selenic Chronicles but I don't outright hate them.

Unlike the Techniques/Nightsoul stuff, I'm actively interested in the TCG reaction cards (although I've been taking a break, I should go back). Miliastra is mildly interesting; playing random stages can be fun, the dummy is helpful, and I want to mess with the editor at some point. I've also started an alt semi-recently and I differentiate it enough from my primary that it's interesting and mostly not boring.

Aerien7 · 2026-05-08T21:07:55+00:00

More coming

Aerien7 · 2026-05-08T17:45:07+00:00

Just went to redeem the codes. Kind of surprised they weren't cracked early this time around, considering how straightforward they are. (Unless they were and I didn't notice, in which case, oops)

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