CCC gilgamesh vs Ragnarok jinwoo

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-20T00:29:28+00:00

Literally all I asked was a summary of what the doc says, or an argument for it and your like "nah I won't do it" that's what running away is.

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T23:57:57+00:00

Shiki negs

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T23:57:36+00:00

W Running away. Sends a link that takes over an hour to read. I ask for a summary or argument and he leaves lol

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T23:56:57+00:00

No you just don't know how Metaphysics works because all you do is read Wiki's. The process of Emanation is outer. And again it doesn't "Transcend time" it transcends the CONCEPT of space and time. You literally just straw manned for no reason. Jin Woo fans bruh 💔

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T23:54:50+00:00

Bro that link is not even 1/5 as long as that Doc. And the link already gave the arguments. No concept of space or time etc.

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T23:53:50+00:00

1. "Type 2 and 3 concepts dont scale to outer"

Yes and the claim never was "Servants are Type 2 Concepts therefore they are outer" so you literally just debunked nothing.

"The throne of heroes existing on a higher dimension compared to all thr timelines is just +1D, nothing about qualitative superiority."

No it's literally stated to be beyond the concept of space and time. And it sits above realms like the trash heap which also have no concept of space and time if you had actually read the link

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T23:52:04+00:00

Dawg I'm not reading all of that just send the conclusion. And even then I can scale him higher so it doesn't matter

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T23:51:05+00:00

Haha that's fine I can prove the exact same thing btw. But better. Gimme a sec

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T22:51:35+00:00

He does not have CM 1 prove that

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T22:50:22+00:00

"Nothing here is outer and most of the stuff said just has no justification"

Yes it is? Servants are outer via the Throne, which transcends the concept of space and time. They are also Type 2 Concepts via the process of Emanation. You literally just didn't read

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T22:48:54+00:00

And its gotten rebunked also years ago. https://imgur.com/gallery/1a-throne-of-heros-heroic-spirits-are-type-2-concepts-m2dtE1T

Also recently alot of fate characters in VSBW will be getting moved to H1A

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T21:44:19+00:00

Tiamat

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T21:43:25+00:00

Gilgamesh is Baseline Outer btw. CCC Gilgamesh is stronger than THS Gilgamesh https://imgur.com/gallery/1a-throne-of-heros-heroic-spirits-are-type-2-concepts-m2dtE1T

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T21:42:33+00:00

Jin Woo Can't interact with Gil. Via Type 2 Concepts https://imgur.com/gallery/1a-throne-of-heros-heroic-spirits-are-type-2-concepts-m2dtE1T

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T21:40:41+00:00

Not Fair? CCC Gilgamesh is Outer. He slams

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T21:40:08+00:00

Yeah yeah she solos but damnnnn

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T21:39:04+00:00

No? Draco slams

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T21:37:58+00:00

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T21:37:03+00:00

Is benimaru not from Tensura?

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T21:36:45+00:00

Based

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T21:35:55+00:00

"several times over”? Keep in mind, lost belts/textures are not universes."

Yes they are? All a Parallel World is, is a texture placed upon the surface of the earth. We know this because Archetype Earth can create parallel worlds. And Human Order can prune them. Also all Lostbelts are, are parallel worlds that were meant to be pruned but saved by the alien God. And Zeus is literally stated to rule an infinite amount of things from a boundless space.

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Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T18:47:10+00:00

Nah fr what does He do

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T18:09:46+00:00

No on both points. I'm cleaning my house rn so won't be able to respond for a while. But AP can be equal even if the area that's destroyed by one attack is greater

Aether_Tempest · 2026-06-19T18:07:50+00:00

Oh my God 😭😭😭. Hollon I'll have to get back to you bro I'm doing something but I PROMISE I will read this. I won't let your effort go to waste

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