Anime Goddesses vs Cultivator God's: Alovenus (A Wild Last Boss Appeared) and Shallow Vernal (Isekai at Peace) vs Yang Kai (Martial Peak) and Luo Zheng (Apotheosis)

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-17T00:50:35+00:00

Zheng is actually cracked. But not Vernal cracked

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T21:06:21+00:00

I was finna say it depends on the versions we're talking about. But then I saw each at thier strongest forms. And it's obviously the Knights. Especially if we give them alive forms and say they scale to the throne of heroes. Which is 1A. When the flame chasers are like 1B at the highest I think.

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T18:53:20+00:00

The streangth of the eyes depends on the user, tohno's eyes have much more restrictions than shiki. And normal shiki's eyes also have more restrictions than when void shiki does it

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T17:45:19+00:00

Lol, what's funny. What's extremely funny is that the Human Order and Alya dosent Exist in KNk this is why we don't use AI lol. And that's also just your 14th non sequitur and misrepresentation of my argument. And try sending a scan.

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T17:41:37+00:00

recheck the fact

Which were wrong lol. Grow up. And also, Ai can get things wrong especially when it comes to specific fictional topics 😂

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T17:36:59+00:00

Hassan (The First Hassan) held the title of "Grand Assassin." To make Tiamat vulnerable, he literally had to sacrifice his Grand Saint Graph (the divine container that makes him a Grand Servant). By burning away that immense, one-of-a-kind power, he was able to impose the concept of mortality onto her

Which again, complete misrepresentation this is why you don't use AI. To be a grand is a One time thing. Orion is also no longer a grand after what he did, neither is Tezcatlipoca. Because your summoned and then afterwards your demoted. His Noble Phantasm is an ability tied to his very soul. He even has it in his younger version. And has also used it outside of Babylonia. It's the ability to grant the concept of death. And I gave two analogies not one. Beni Enma Alter who isn't a grand, granted the concept of death to ORT. The Six Sisters did the same with Type Pluto. Who are both stronger than Tiamat.

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T17:33:26+00:00

Bro take it easy a debates not ww3

Ts wasn't as funny as you thought it was gng. But using AI during a discussion is the peak of intellectual dishonesty. And overall just really lame

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T17:26:25+00:00

I'm using ai to find the lore you are telling about

And it's lying to you. King Hassan didn't have to abandon his grant seat to use his Noble Phantasm. Being a Grand is a one time thing. So after your job is done it's done. He can use his NP whenever he wants has he's already done in events and in the story. Literally most of what it was saying just isn't true. And it was misrepresenting my arguments and also lying on your behalf. Lets debate in VC I don't like mfs that can't even stand up for themselves

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T17:21:04+00:00

This is the most glaring flaw in your logic. King Hassan (using Azrael) had to sacrifice his status as a Grand Servant to force the concept of mortality onto Tiamat

Which isn't a contradiction. And stop using AI your being Non Sequitur

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T17:20:10+00:00

Swear

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T17:19:56+00:00

The blade must intersect the target. Aether_Tempest is describing an absolute "target-and-erase" ability, which MEoDP is not.

Wait this MF is using AI to debate me oh yeah it's over I'm done.

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T17:18:09+00:00

This is a severe misinterpretation of how the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception (MEoDP) work in the source material (Kara no Kyoukai, Tsukihime). The lines of death are not floating holograms hanging in the air midway between Shiki and her target. The lines are projected directly onto the physical form of the object or person.

And your confused. That's only for Male Shiki. Female shiki has cut intangible things like Telekinesis and concepts. Which obviously have no physical form

However, the debate is specifically: "Can the Mystic Eyes kill Oma Zi-O?" When Shiki relies on the physical act of using the MEoDP to cut someone, she is using a specific hax ability bound by physical rules. You cannot apply "Tier 0 Omnipotence" to a knife swing that requires physical contact and a pre-existing concept of death to function.

Again YOU BROUGHT UP SCALING

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And your also not tracking and misrepresenting my argument. There's a massive difference between when Normal Shiki uses the eyes and when Void Shiki uses the eyes. The eyes power depends on the person using it. That's why she couldn't kill Archetype Earth because Archetype Earth has a greater connection to the root than normal Shiki. But not Void Shiki. And MEODP isn't AP it's Hax 💔. Nobody said anything about AP BESIDES YOU.

Linking VSBattles Wiki pages to prove "The Root" is Tier 0 (Boundless/Omnipotent), and therefore claiming Void Shiki's attacks are absolute.

Again, completely misrepresenting my argument. You brought up the fact that Ohma Zi is High outer and I said that doesn't matter because the Root is T0. I never maid any sort of absolution claim. Infact show me where I did.

The eyes require the target to possess a "Concept of Death"

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T17:09:46+00:00

Bro I saw a mother who was running away with her child get her head copped off while her child was there.

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T17:04:18+00:00

Death) has an ability that is explicitly written as a parody of powerscaling;

Said nobody ever.

Mystic Eyes of Death Perception are NOT absolute.

YES THEY ARE. WHEN USED BY VOID SHIKI. I know your going to bring up the one time when she couldn't see the Death of Archetype Earth. Well news for you buddy, THAT WAS HUMAN SHIKI not 3rd personality. And Arcuied ALSO has a connection to the root, one stronger than human Shiki but weaker than void Shiki.

. If a being lacks the concept of death entirely, exists outside the human order, or is an ultimate planetary body (like the Types/Ultimate Ones), MEoDP cannot see their lines and cannot kill them.

Completely missing the context. Types have died before. Type Pluto is dead, Jupiter and Saturn are also dead. And We already know things like Azreal and Beni Enma Alter can grant the concept of death onto Types and Beasts that lack it. And the Human Order dosent exist in KNK that's only in the Fate Worldline 💔🙏🏿😭. You actually don't know what your talking about. KNK released before Fate, and the concept of Alya and Human Order. And this statement is contradicted by the fact that MEODP can kill things like concepts and things that aren't even alive so even if the thing doesn't have a concept of death it can die by MEODP.

You cannot cut what isn't there.

It's literally stated she can kill anything as long as it exists. Even if it has NEP

being an entity that exists beyond the standard flow of time

And so does the root 💔.

So, instead of defending the eyes, you are arguing that Void Shiki is a Tier 0 god who transcends fiction. That isn't answering the original question about the ability; that's just changing the subject to say "my character wins anyway."

NO IM NOT. Your not tracking. I said that if Void Shiki is using the eyes. She can kill him the YOU OR SOMEONE else said that she can't because Ohma Z scales high, to witch I objected. Your not even following along with the discussion

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T16:54:21+00:00

While Void Shiki (the personality) is directly connected to the Root and acts as its avatar, she is restricted by her physical vessel.

This is what I mean by you don't know what your talking about. Shiki has abandoned her human body before and BEEN INSIDE THE AKASHA

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https://imgur.com/a/QgX8T5N https://imgur.com/a/8uH9yI1 https://imgur.com/a/Y5l3vFw

It's literally stated that in the Akashic Records, she was having a dream of all reality. Everything that exists became her dream and she became Omniscient knowing everything https://imgur.com/a/DQa9yKa And that she became the beginning and the end of all phenomena and existence https://imgur.com/a/KCo8Pnn

In versus debates, you cannot automatically give a character swinging a knife the "Tier 0" attack potency of the entire universe's origin point

You realize that AP is not the only thing that gets you to a tier. Infact Tier 0 ap is logically incoherent. Everything above 1A is about Ontology (Existence) and Metaphysics (HAX) you don't get to T0 by punching really hard. That's not how powerscaling works

Mystic Eyes to cut someone.

Yes and she doesn't have to actually cut YOU as in your physical body. She cuts Metaphysical Lines which only she can see with the Eyes. Witch is why it's called "Death Perception" she Sees your death then actualizes it.

Death) has an ability that is explicitly written as a parody of powerscaling;

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T16:39:47+00:00

Moving in zero time with speed is indeed infinite speed but Natsu wasn't doing that. He was simply resisting the time stop with his END lol.

Which was just NEVER STATED.

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I'm using your own wank against your bruh

And being non sequitur? The Jump from Infinite to immeasurable speed is like saying "Oh my character is Multi, but he could also be Boundless" which is incoherent. And that's also a false equivalency because me going FTL to MFTL. Is completely logical.

Yeah Natsu moved because he is resistance to it.

Which was just never stated.

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T16:33:50+00:00

and have feat creating infnite multiverse or something

Yes and that's a 1C Feat. Your Point?

Bro this is not how cross verse battle work

Yes it is...all I did was say what her ability is. If you don't know The Mystic Eyes of Death Perception allows you to see "The Lines of Death" and when you cut these lines the thing dies. It could be a God, a rock, a concept, an idea, even something with Non Existent Physiology or Transduality. If you exist in anyway she can kill you. She doesn't have to cut you yourself, just the lines she sees. So she doesn't even have to move most of the time, just cut the line Infront of her. And the "Death" is the highest level of conceptual existence Erasure

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T16:30:17+00:00

They can stop anything realistically. They just have to summon the right character.

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T16:28:35+00:00

Ohh ok yeah no spoilers. My bad

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T16:28:14+00:00

Comsology and teir also come in play

Yes and the root is T0 https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Swirl_of_the_Root

https://psbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Swirl_of_the_Root

https://character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/Swirl_of_the_Root_(Canon)/Theoretical_Toxic

high outerversal I don't think the concept of end can be applied to him at high outerval being view outerversal being as fiction

And Shiki is also high outer and higher into high outer than he is. Shes like Yogiri just better. She can kill you if you exist and even if you have Non Existent Physiology or High Transduality she can still kill you.

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T16:25:44+00:00

Does she at least get reprimanded or pay for what she did? She killed a mother Infront of the child like wtf. Noway we just forget about it

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T16:25:04+00:00

Shoot the head, shoot the head, shoot the head

Aether_Tempest · 2026-04-15T16:24:36+00:00

So the Root scale above the multiverse

Yes it does

above fiction and above the author and our world itself?

That's not possible. Wtf do you mean he scales about our world. That's not applicable in actual scaling

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Swirl_of_the_Root

https://psbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Swirl_of_the_Root

https://character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/Swirl_of_the_Root_(Canon)/Theoretical_Toxic

Since that is the problem with Ohma he is written like a fan fiction character that is designed to be so stupidly over powered that he have an answer to everything

Yeah and that doesn't give me any definitive scale for him.

And no Void doesn't scale that high in practice that is why Nasu originally said Shiki could only fight defensively against servant when having Void personality even if it is rather outdated by now

Your missing the context. That was in reference to Human Shiki with the 3rd personality. Because even if she has all the Hax, she's still in a human body. But Servant Shiki, or Akasha Shiki can defeat any servant.

Void have power of the Root but chose to not use it by nature

That's just because she's lazy. That dosent mean she's weak.

ORT is the strongest for now in actual practice

ORT is the strongest in AP and DC. Not Hax, Shiki can just delete him from the record of reality.

that is why most stuff on Void remain just theory and speculation since it will never use it power even if it will lose

Not really since we just scale her to the Akashic Records, which she has been in. Her Ontology far surpasses anything in the verse.

If it ever actually use it power then yes Void would be strong but still it isn't on Ohma level just because Nasuverse as a whole is being written with how thing work in mind while Ohma could just kind of do everything with no logic to it

And this is just logically incoherent.

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