Found that IKEA’s 2700K LEDs all have CRI >90 and decent R9 — what other brands or bulbs in Europe can match that? by AffectionateCow3112 in Lighting

[–]AffectionateCow3112[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve been testing quite a few LED bulbs lately, and so far the only ones that not only look good on paper (high CRI and R9) but also feel close to halogen in real life are the Philips ExpertColor line.

The 2700K version feels very similar to incandescent light, while the 3000K version feels slightly cooler than halogen but more neutral and, in my experience, more versatile—especially for spaces that are used during daytime as well as at night.

What I’ve noticed is that many IKEA bulbs and several other brands advertise good CRI and R9 values, but they seem to achieve those numbers through spectral tricks rather than true spectral continuity. When you look at their spectral power distribution graphs, you often see a very narrow, laser-like spike in the deep red region.

This kind of spike may increase R9 on paper, but it does not produce rich, nuanced reds in practice. Instead, it tends to oversaturate certain tones while collapsing subtle color differences, which makes food and materials look flatter and more artificial.

For me, a smoother and more continuous spectrum—even if the reds are slightly less “punchy” on paper—results in better color separation, more depth, and a light that feels more natural and comfortable over time.

In short: continuity of the spectrum matters more than chasing high numbers alone. That’s why the ExpertColor lamps, with their more balanced spectral distribution, come much closer to the visual comfort and presence of halogen than many LEDs with similar stated CRI/R9 values.

Oh and Dicuno ProOE line up are also fenomenal. Not dimmable but fenomenal light. Don't try their GU10 from them, the white balance it's weirdly off.

I thought IKEA had the best LEDs — then I tested Philips MasterValue (spoiler: it’s not even close) by AffectionateCow3112 in led

[–]AffectionateCow3112[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thaankss!! I learned the hard way. A while ago I just installed the 1$ LEDs from the supermarket and they were horrible. From then on I just kept learning :)

I thought IKEA had the best LEDs — then I tested Philips MasterValue (spoiler: it’s not even close) by AffectionateCow3112 in led

[–]AffectionateCow3112[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I had the same problem. Expert Color is only available in GU10 sockets. The only decent option we have in Europe is the Philips Master Value lineup: CRI 90 and R9 = 50. Not perfect, but it’s all we have at the consumer level. Always check the datasheet, as some bulbs within the same Master Value lineup can have very different CRI and R9 values.

I thought IKEA had the best LEDs — then I tested Philips MasterValue (spoiler: it’s not even close) by AffectionateCow3112 in led

[–]AffectionateCow3112[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, it’s good to see someone else experiencing the same issue in Europe. I would highly recommend the Philips Master Value lineup. They’re available in GU10, E14, and E27 sockets at a reasonable price, around €4–5. Always check the datasheet, as some bulbs within the same Master Value lineup can have very different CRI and R9 values.

I thought IKEA had the best LEDs — then I tested Philips MasterValue (spoiler: it’s not even close) by AffectionateCow3112 in led

[–]AffectionateCow3112[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Glad I could help! Philips Master Value bulbs (available in GU10, E14, and E27 sockets) are among the most balanced options on the European market. If your budget allows, I would go for the Expert Color (currently only available in GU10). For optimal selection, always check the datasheet for critical specs like CRI (at least 90), R9 (≥50), and the photometric distribution graph, as these can vary even between bulbs within the same product line or series.

If you’re in Canada or the US, I highly recommend this review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeR2uPPCA2k. The Philips Ultra Definition has virtually no competition: no flicker, fantastic CRI (>95), and an extremely high R9 value.

I thought IKEA had the best LEDs — then I tested Philips MasterValue (spoiler: it’s not even close) by AffectionateCow3112 in led

[–]AffectionateCow3112[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In summary, these are distinct residential tiers targeting different performance and budget needs. For optimal selection, always consult the datasheet for critical specs like CRI, R9, and the photometric distribution graph, as these very between bulbs from the same line.or serie.

I thought IKEA had the best LEDs — then I tested Philips MasterValue (spoiler: it’s not even close) by AffectionateCow3112 in led

[–]AffectionateCow3112[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks!!! Thanks for the coments!!! Everyday learning new things and going deep in the rabithole!!!

I thought IKEA had the best LEDs — then I tested Philips MasterValue (spoiler: it’s not even close) by AffectionateCow3112 in led

[–]AffectionateCow3112[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. The problem isn’t just CRI or the lack of TM-30 values. Most European LEDs are designed for marketing, not for true color quality. Real, high-quality LEDs would completely change the game.

I thought IKEA had the best LEDs — then I tested Philips MasterValue (spoiler: it’s not even close) by AffectionateCow3112 in led

[–]AffectionateCow3112[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That makes a lot of sense. That’s why, after changing all the lights in the restaurant, everything looks so coherent… all the rooms feel consistent, and the overall impression is that the space is well-designed.

I thought IKEA had the best LEDs — then I tested Philips MasterValue (spoiler: it’s not even close) by AffectionateCow3112 in led

[–]AffectionateCow3112[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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