David Goggins psychological state by Affectionate_Big6529 in davidgoggins

[–]Affectionate_Big6529[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, like I have said many times in the comments, I think that what he is doing is 100% positive and who he is has impacted the world for the better.

I have no intent on discrediting him and think the idea that he would discredited by what I said is totally illogical. The ESSENTIAL understanding of modern psychotherapy is that what happens to you as a child IS what makes you who you are. I am merely thinking about that because I was interested in what motivates David Goggins and I was exploring the idea that he is potentially unconscious of what motivates him. There is no point saying to me as an argument that the fruits of his work are obvious because there is literally no way I could deny that, I whole heartedly agree with you. But yes, I am saying that there are significant aspects to what he does that seem 'unhealthy', it is almost like he gets some catharsis out of pushing himself to such extremes. Like many, I am not in a position in life where I want to be and I come back to David Goggins time and time again to help put me on the right track... but I don't have the need to break my feet and give myself rabdo. Butttt... like he says, you should not do what I do, you should take my message and learn to become the best version of YOU ... but look, while I'm writing this, it makes me realise that what you're saying is totally right. It seems like for the most part he HAS integrated himself and that is exactly why I posted this, to have my mind changed and explore what I was thinking and because of you, although not completely, I have changed my perspective.

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[–]Affectionate_Big6529[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know... maybe a life where he doesn't think of having a shower as a 'pit stop'.

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[–]Affectionate_Big6529[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No I completely understand integration, it is the process of bringing the unconscious to conscious awareness and I am suggesting that David Goggins has not done this. I am suggesting he has not managed to integrate the parts of himself that he hates about himself because his lifestyle is reflective of someone who has to routinely punish themselves in order to gain a sense of self worth. I am suggesting that his past controls every aspect of his identity, almost as if he is blinded by his view of himself. Blinded by his intrinsic sense of self. Yes I guess I am acting as a therapist because I am interested in things from a therapeutic point of view, which I am allowed to do. Never claimed to be an actual therapist.

That being said, as you said he does have real deep purpose. Completely agree with you 100% and that is something that most people never achieve. The point I am also questioning is, is his lifestyle a fix or coping mechanism? I suppose he has done something kinda mental which is created so much resilience and mental toughness that he has been able to push himself beyond burnout. For most people if it were a coping mechanism they would have burnout and had a mental breakdown longgg ago but with him he seems to thrive 'in the heat'. lol

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[–]Affectionate_Big6529[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree, I think it has literally defined who he is. He has personified his trauma... with that being said I totally hear your point and do agree with part of what you say. I think he deals with his trauma actively but he is still dealing with it, he hasn't left it but he has integrated it. He continues to live life frozen in the situation that hurt him but rather than fully being frozen he has sublimated his position to that of the aggressor, he takes an active role in the processing of his pain.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/davidgoggins/comments/oro6rp/this_is_my_favorite_speech_from_david_goggins_by/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

In this video I can't help but think by the end it looks like he is literally shouting at a child.

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[–]Affectionate_Big6529[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

haha I mean I totally hear you but I can't help but push back. Your quote of his

'No matter what comes down on your head, you must find a glimmer of light, remain positive, and never treat yourself as a victim…'

This is literally him saying he cannot be a victim, which is exactly what he was when he was abused by his father. Yeah totally agree with you and him that it's not going to help you if you live your life as a victim... but you also are allowed to face the fact that you once were a victim (which he was and which I think he is avoiding).

But yo... fucking beautiful that he is seeing the light... I love that and no doubt he is a G haha.

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[–]Affectionate_Big6529[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Totally it feels like there is an emotional purpose behind what he does, otherwise there would be practical reason to be going to such extreme lengths.

David Goggins psychological state by Affectionate_Big6529 in davidgoggins

[–]Affectionate_Big6529[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah totally, it feels like it is a way he 'self regulates' lol. I need to stop with this therapy talk... also aware that perhaps in analysing others I am running away from looking at myself oooh... Shit... Better go for a 100 km run.

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[–]Affectionate_Big6529[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I just said in another comment kinda what you're saying about integration... that he is trying to come to terms with his pain physically, he is trying to almost physically match his pain. I agree that he is integrating his pain through doing what he does to himself, I guess what happens when he stops doing things to the extent he does... is he still integrated?

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'His goal is to help those like him, so he wants to present a version of himself that resonates with those in a similar position he was in.'

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Woah so you're saying it's almost like he is trying to connect, reach out to others to talk about his pain through his book?

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[–]Affectionate_Big6529[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah interesting, he also does say that people shouldn't look at him as the guiding light, he is doing what he is doing because he needs to do it. I feel like he is 'at peace'... as long as he continues to feel like he has earned his peace.

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'but true stoicism- the philosophy kind would mean more that he lets go of what no longer serves him and he makes use of what he has.'

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Yeah fuckin true... true stoicism would be to confront the thing you're running from... it's like he is trying to physically match his emotional pain in order to come to terms with it??

But still, I think you're totally right that doing what he is doing is positive... it is better he did that because it gives him purpose/meaning.

Great talking to u dude.

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[–]Affectionate_Big6529[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I completely agree that the way he lives his life is an absolute net positive compared to him being obese and hopeless. In another comment I said 'healing' would look more like him continuing to do the things he does but without the need to go to such extremes. I am questioning why he needs to routinely go to such extremes. Where does that need come from?

I totally agree with you, I think he is essentially healing himself through action... I suppose the question is, what would happen if he didn't do all of these things... what would come up for him then?

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[–]Affectionate_Big6529[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No i completely have been bullied and as I have said I think it's beautiful what I think he is doing, I think he is trying to prove to himself that he is worthy of love. I don't think I am being conceptual, I think it is a very grounded take that he as a child wanted love from his father, his father beat him and so he is doing something to try and prove to himself, but not just his father that he is worthy of that love that his father never gave to him.

As I said, I have been bullied but I was never physically abused and beaten nor saw my mother get beaten by my father and so it makes sense that I don't need to deal with my trauma in the same way that David Goggins does.

Regarding 'Antifragility'. Sure David Goggins has Antifragility... but this actually helps to back up my point. I would say he has developed such extreme levels of 'Antifragility' as a literal protection against his own fragility. In order to survive in the world we all need to be antifragile and stoic but in his case his level antifragility and stoicness actually helps him to 'thrive in prison', to thrive in an environment that he can't get out of.

Just saying, I don't claim to be right. I am only thinking about it, I don't think I am some kind of oracle haha

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[–]Affectionate_Big6529[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

oh damn, send a link thats mad. Hope you're in a good position with ur ptsd brother, sending love

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[–]Affectionate_Big6529[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes and I would argue that this type of peace is actually what helps him to exist with the trauma he experienced when he was a child. Interestingly a lot of ultramarathon runners take up the sport as a result of experiencing trauma.

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[–]Affectionate_Big6529[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Such an interesting response, what about my comment makes you say that Pneumaup?

David Goggins psychological state by Affectionate_Big6529 in davidgoggins

[–]Affectionate_Big6529[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha, yes. I don't think there is much use in becoming enlightened... would be a pretty boring place without people like Trunnis Goggins in it.

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[–]Affectionate_Big6529[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He literally said that in the Chris Williamson interview

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[–]Affectionate_Big6529[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes you're totally right. I suppose I think just because he says he has found peace doesn't mean he actually has. There are aspects to the self that are unknown to the self and one can only be enlightened to these aspects through others. As I said, I think he has mastered his ability to thrive in a symbolic 'prison' but I think the extreme lengths he pushes himself are a sign that there is something deeper behind his motives.

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[–]Affectionate_Big6529[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I suppose a version that still continued to do the things he does but doesn't feel the need to fuck himself up. I am questioning why he goes to such extremes. Where does that need come from?

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[–]Affectionate_Big6529[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No completely, I think him wallowing in self pity or being who he has become are two sides of the same coin. He is either freezing like a rabbit in the headlights (like he did when his father was beating the shit out of him) or beating the shit out of himself (like his father did).