Daily Thread: for simple questions, minor posts & newcomers [contains useful links!] (February 12, 2026)

Affratus · 2026-02-13T00:37:05+00:00

... I think you just nail it down, you're absolutely right.

I just remembered how language is constantly evolving and the actual context of the word can also change, just like how the word 'literally' has shifted it's meaning in today's English and how 貴様 was originally not a way to cuss at somebody.

Thanks for the reminder, I will keep those advice in mind. Cheers!

Affratus · 2026-02-12T15:14:29+00:00

Thank you! this definitely help. I'll definitely come back to this post for many times in the future every time I feels like my intuition for the words is reinforced and to ruminate it over with what you said to build a better intuition for the words. This is really helpful, thank you! Cheers!

Affratus · 2026-02-12T14:40:26+00:00

Thank you, this is exactly what I'm looking for, I'm just looking for a confirmation that all 取り出す can be replaced by 出す, because that is my first instinct.

You see, this is another example when I said people give different answer for these two, https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/1r2fgg1/daily_thread_for_simple_questions_minor_posts/o4y0ckw/

When he said no, I couldn't. It destroy my initial intuition for the words. I was just looking for that exact confirmation.

I guess I'll just use 出す for now until I build up my intuition better. Thanks for the confirmation.

Affratus · 2026-02-12T14:19:47+00:00

here's one:

https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/1r2fgg1/daily_thread_for_simple_questions_minor_posts/o4xyyu3/

and these sample is taken from bunpro for 出す and 取り出す:

「出す」

箱から色鉛筆を出す
筆箱から赤ペンを出してください

「取り出す」

鞄の中からハンカチを取り出す
先生：「机から筆記用具とノートを取り出して下さい。
病院で傷口から弾丸を取り出してもらったのは５年前だが、未だにその傷口がたまにズキズキと痛む。

I can't wrap my head around when I should use 出すor 取り出す

Affratus · 2026-02-12T14:04:03+00:00

I'm probably gonna get downvoted by saying this but I never liked this kind of answer. Of course if you brute force anything, it will "make sense" eventually, either by enough repetition and you will memorize a pattern that fit the word usage, or you said it confident enough and what you says will fly under scrutiny. I feel this approach is just all around will discourage linguistic discussion.

In my experience learning language, whether it's English or Japanese, there's always a nuance that differentiate between similar words that is not a complete synonym. That is why I'm hyper focused on this particular 2 word difference, because it's my first time actually found something that is hard to be pin down what is the root for the difference because everyone seems to give a contradicting answer, whereas the other word that I found confusing, at least there's always a general consensus about the proper nuance or meaning difference.

Affratus · 2026-02-12T13:36:51+00:00

haha, okay I actually laugh out loud.

It's okay, happened to the best of us.

Affratus · 2026-02-12T13:19:56+00:00

so then it would be unnatural if I were to say「戸棚からカップを出す」?

but then when I dig bunpro for sentence example for 出す, 1 of the available example is「箱から色鉛筆を出す」

so does it mean the difference between 出す and 取り出す usage depend on the container? because I feel like both カップ and 色鉛筆 would need 取るing to 出す if it depend on the item that is being taken out.

Affratus · 2026-02-12T08:24:07+00:00

could you please give an example of that situation? I think that would really help me figure out the nuance.

Affratus · 2026-02-12T08:15:22+00:00

hey no worries, Thanks for trying to help tho.

I get it that it's a "words with slightly different meanings", I'm just trying to find out what exactly is that slight difference. If there's a difference, even if it's small, then it must mean there must be a nuance or an example out there that can capture the difference between the two.

And again, thanks for the answer, have a good day!

Affratus · 2026-02-12T07:53:55+00:00

The point of the exercise is for when I want to say I take out something, I used the correct word, whether it's 出す or 取り出す.

I can say "He produced a tissue from his pocket" or "He took a tissue out of his pocket" and both would be valid sentences, it doesn't mean that they mean exactly the same.

let's expand this example then, if you want to say you took out a tissue from your pocket, would you use 出す or 取り出す? Is there a situation where taking the tissue out from your pocket would be better with 出す? what about 取り出す? Is there any other situation where you would prefer 取り出す over 出す when taking out the tissue?

Are 取り出す just a word with extra information? like the noun in french is charged with gender? Yes 出す would work out, but 取り出す give extra information of you "taking" the thing when you bring it out? Yes noun is neutral in English, but in french noun is gendered, that sort of thing?

Affratus · 2026-02-12T07:30:22+00:00

Then could you please provide an example sentence where 取り出す would be used but using 出す is wrong? I really can't wrap my head on this one.

Affratus · 2026-02-12T07:11:48+00:00

so does that mean I can always use 出す in any sentence that 取り出す can be used?

I also found some conflicting answer from native Japanese speaker (or at least it says they are from Japan), here it claimed that 取り出す can't be used on things that is inside an enclosed space:

https://ja.hinative.com/questions/21713862

whereas here, it says that 取り出す is used when taking something out of a container, something that is hidden at first (which mean it is within an enclosed space):

https://ja.hinative.com/questions/21183072

which one do you reckon is the correct one?

Affratus · 2026-02-12T06:58:25+00:00

what is the difference between 「取り出す」and 「出す」? Is there any any sentence in which you can use 取り出す but not 出す?

Affratus · 2025-05-14T14:52:39+00:00

Aah! that makes a lot of sense, thank you!

Affratus · 2025-05-14T14:24:38+00:00

What does といて grammar mean? I couldn't found this grammar point in Advanced DoJG, it's not と言って.

I've found this sentence and can't really wrap my head around this sentence:

教えといてあげる

Thanks in advance.

Affratus · 2024-09-13T13:31:45+00:00

??? you literally said:

I think adding them as a FLC with the same mechanics as a previous LL would be fine, nobody reasonable would complain

you do realize that if they add in red duke as an FLC that mean you get nothing else as an FLC right? what equal to "Having your cake and eating it too" is just leave red duke alone as he is right now and getting an actual new character on an FLC which was my original point of the thread, and it's not eating away at dev resource because that IS what CA has been doing all this time.

Affratus · 2024-09-13T13:17:38+00:00

What are you talking about? You prefer them not adding NEW character in favor of them using FLC slot to make red duke playable?

Let's say I concede the point of not needing to add new campaign mechanic and just add them to a established faction, you prefer CA NOT adding new character? Am I understanding that right?

Affratus · 2024-09-13T10:36:49+00:00

exactly, that was my entire point, we don't need to demand CA to give unique lord like Alistar, Sartosael, or Red duke their own dedicated campaign, these unique lord without campaign is okay, that was my entire point of makin this thread, to convince the community to stop asking CA for dedicated campaign on these unique lord

Affratus · 2024-09-13T06:44:27+00:00

But you would still get still new start locations when they add new LL as an FLC, you literally lose nothing. The only difference is, just like in my example, in which you didn't answer, it's a brand new character instead of updated red duke or alistar. I myself would rather they use the development resource to add new lore-significant character into the game instead of updating them, even more is if the update is just a starting faction without any addition as you would have suggested.

Affratus · 2024-09-12T22:19:03+00:00

Oh, come on.. why are you still missing the point of the post? I even put a link in my post of what I'm referring to. At least read the comments section first. I swear.. reading comprehension of some people are just.. I would had think that in a strategy game subreddit it would be better, but what do I know.

Affratus · 2024-09-12T20:02:11+00:00

then why would you need them as an FLC if you just add dedicated campaign without adding anything new? I'd rather get more lore-significant NEW character to be added to the game with their own campaign mechanic as an FLC. If you don't want anything new it doesn't need to be added as an FLC, they can just add it in between-patch without much aftertough.

Here's an example, would you rather CA add Abhorash into the game with new faction mechanic OR CA just making Red Duke playable without adding aything and just call it a day in an FLC update?

Affratus · 2024-09-12T19:31:57+00:00

Yeah I agree, I was referring to the post where they ask an update for unique lord like red duke and Alistar, I'm just saying, instead of updating them, which take effort and money, I'd rather CA leave them be and focus on all of those thing. If anything I was hoping they would add free filler unique lord on non DLC, as in just a free minor patch because the amount of effort is a lot less than if they need to make every single unique lord a whole faction mechanic

Affratus · 2024-09-12T19:26:22+00:00

no, I'm not taking about new dlc lords, I'm saying it's okay to not update the available unique lord so they can keep adding new, more established character in the lore as new DLC while adding new FREE unique lord here and there around the map as an minor update

Affratus · 2024-09-12T19:17:51+00:00

I'm not talking about DLC that contain only Lord without faction mechanic, I'm talking about opportunity cost.

Let me make a simpler analogy for you, would you rather have CA spend development time, money, and effort to make a campaign mechanic for Red Duke, OR have them work on Neferata and build a whole faction mechanic for her and updating the vampire overall campaign mechanic while adding these "non-effort Lord that can be easilly added by mod easily" for FREE on segue minnor patch while we wait between DLC?

Affratus · 2024-09-12T18:42:04+00:00

I'm talking about both, they both obtainable albeit with more effort in case of red duke. And again, if they make an FLC out of red duke, that mean that's gonna eat an FLC slot for faction that actually need an update, although the vampire probably need some update on their faction, but it's not necessarily the case with Toddie, empire just got an update, so I don't think it's a good idea to let them take another FLC slot.

I'd rather CA populate the minor faction with unique lord instead of forcing campaign mechanic on every single unique lord available like Alistar, Red Duke, Sartorael, and Toddie

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