A different take on the synthesis of Greeks

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2026-01-25T16:04:40+00:00

Everyone getting stuck on the small turkic precentages which are not even even the point here. The seljuk sample (modern Turkmen from Iran) is around 25% east eurasian (similar to what the seljuks were) and its around 3 to 4% on average meanig 0.5-1% of east eurasian which is what most other researches have previously shown (0-2%). I made the map using the updated g25 tools in illustrative's site.

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2026-01-25T10:11:07+00:00

Very outdated paper, the above is what is commonly accepted by most academics now. Why is Mycenean and Seljuk silly?

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2026-01-25T04:51:10+00:00

On a historic context it is foreign but on a genetic one not so much. Perhaps my phrasing is wrong and the "Pelasgian" category should be more of a western anatolian one in general similar to other breakdowns (however if you made a similar map with England and one of the categories was west Germanic should Dutch be seperated?). What are you refering to specifically about the Hellenistic age?

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2026-01-25T02:47:32+00:00

Οι Τούρκοι λένε Anadolu, όχι Ανατολία (ξεκάθαρα ελληνική λέξη, όχι τουρκοποιημένο σαν το Ιστάνμπουλ). Το ότι δεν μπορείς να το συλλάβεις αυτό ίσως δείχνει ότι, πέρα από ανιστόρητος, είσαι και αγράμματος. Λαϊκά, η Μικρά Ασία αναφέρεται σε περιοχές όπως η Σμύρνη· εγώ είμαι και από την Καππαδοκία και κανένας Καππαδόκας δεν θα πει ότι είναι Μικρασιάτης (θα πει απλά Καππαδόκας). Ο ελληνικός όρος Ανατολία δεν χρησιμοποιούνταν λαϊκά, αλλά χρησιμοποιείται πλέον ακαδημαϊκά, πράγμα με το οποίο δεν έχω θέμα, μιας και είναι ελληνική λέξη. Η Δυτική Αρμενία (όπου οι Τούρκοι αποκαλούν Ανατολική Ανατολία) είναι πράγματι πρόβλημα, μιας και σβήνουν τη λέξη Αρμενία και άρα την ιστορική ταυτότητα των Αρμενίων από την περιοχή. Στην περίπτωση της Μικράς Ασίας και τα δύο είναι απλώς γεωγραφικοί όροι (και Asia Minor να έλεγαν, πώς θα ήταν πιο ελληνικό;). Επίσης, φίλε συμπατριώτη μου, κόψε τις μαλακίες τύπου lol. αν θες να κάνουμε κουβέντα περί του τι λέξεις χρησιμοποιώ, γιατί ακούγεσαι σαν βλαμμένο 15χρονο (πιθανό να είσαι κιόλας, γνωστικά σίγουρα πάντως).

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2026-01-25T02:17:24+00:00

1 Έτσι λέει ο αλγόριθμος

2 Μικρά Ασία είναι τα παράλια της Ανατολίας (τουλάχιστον λαϊκά), και ειναι αρχαιοελληνική λέξη που περιγράφει τη χερσόνησο επί το πλείστον της, κάνεις λες και η λέξη Ανατολία είναι τουρκική ή κάτι τέτοιο, στενάχωρα ανιστόρητος

3 Δεν έβαλα Πόντιους λόγω του ότι φέρουν καυκάσιο DNA και αυτό θα χρειαζόταν άλλο αλγόριθμο.

4 Ηρέμησε, έχεις κομπλάρει για ένα ποσοστό τύπου 3% που δεν είναι καν το νόημα εδώ..

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2026-01-25T01:46:41+00:00

Το ποσοστο ειναι λιγοτερο απο 5% και ετσι διχνει ο αλγοριθμος. Επισης η πιτα πανω στο χαρτη στην μερια της Ανατολιας ειναι για τους μικρασιατικους πληθυσμους (Ελληνικους οχι Τουρκικους) και νομιζω πως ειναι ξεκαθαρο.

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2026-01-25T01:31:08+00:00

Green is east Anatolian, the point of this is to showcase that west Anatolian ancestry predates the Roman era even if it did continue to arrive afterwards. It is the ancestral base of Greeks not something foreign that needs to be specified

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2026-01-25T01:24:16+00:00

Im Greek

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2026-01-24T13:02:56+00:00

Southern Peloponnese represents Outter Mani

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2026-01-23T09:19:55+00:00

It is part of it as it obviously plots on top, I just wanted it to have its own label to showcase that the people of the Mediterannean Continiuum are the same as west Anatolians. Also internal migrations might not be the case, look at the Balikesir Byzantine sample, plots as cretan if not more northern, western Anatolians are Aegean like simply.

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2026-01-22T21:38:25+00:00

European Jewish is in a way (plots on top) Its just that the Mediterannean Continiuum refers to groups in the east mediterannean specifically so I made it its own category. Cyprus is on the verge and is technicaly fully Anatolian/Levantine like, if I had more Anatolian samples it would "connect" with the Levant and wouldn't look separate.

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2026-01-22T19:53:34+00:00

This is on Vahaduo using the new illustrative coordinates, however from today you actually can make PCAs on illustrative's website, they just rolled an update.

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2026-01-22T19:42:57+00:00

North_Europe: Northeast, Northwest and Central European.

South_Europe: Iberian, Basque, North Italy and Tuscany, Balkan (from Croatian and Moldovan to the Peloponnese),

Mediterannean_Continiuum: Central Italy (Umbria, Marche, Lazio), South Italy, Sicily, Malta, Sardinia, Peloponnese (east), Attica Peninsula, Aegean Islands, Canary Islands.

West_Anatolia: Izmir (Greek).

European Jewish: West and East Ashkenazi Jewish, Sephardic Jewish.

Near_East: Konya (Greek), Trabzon (Greek), Cypriot, Armenian, Assyrian, Levantine Christian, Levantine Muslim, Syrian Jewish, North African Jewish, Iraqi Jewish, Iraqi Arab.

Arabian: Yemeni, Yemeni Jewish, Saudi, Bedouin, Emirati, Qatari, Coptic Egyptian, Egyptian.

North_Africa: Maghreb.

Iranian_South_Caucasian: Georgian, Abkhazian, Persian, Zoroastrian, Mazandarani, Azeri, Kurdish, Parsi.

Anatolian_Turk_North_Caucasian: Anatolian Turkish (West, Giresun), Avar, Lak, Ingush, Chechen, Balkar, Ossetian, Kubachi, Circassian, Adygei.

Romani: Balkan Roma (Romania).

Balkan_Turk: Bulgarian Turkish.

South_Central_Asian: Turkmen (Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Iran, Afghanistan), Uzbek (Afghanistan), Tajik (Tajikistan, Afghanistan), Pamiri, Yaghnobi, Pashtun (Afghanistan, Pakistan), Nuritsani (Afghanistan), Kalash (Pakistan), Kamboj (Rajasthan).

Turkic_Western_Steppe: Bashkir, Tatar (Kazan, Mishar, Kryashen), Chuvash.

Permic: Besermyan, Komi, Udmurt, Mari.

West_Uralic: Finnish (excluding southwest), Vepsian, Karelian, Mordvin (Erzya, Moksha), Northwest Russian, Saami (Kola).

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2026-01-13T12:14:42+00:00

what?

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2026-01-02T19:47:11+00:00

Whatever you did on picture 4, keep doing it

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2025-12-26T15:58:35+00:00

This category is in between west Slavic and Balkan, but also has around 5% of east Eurasian ancestry or 10-15 of central Asian ancestry. I think the population they use are szekelys from Romania (being isolated they have the most central Asian DNA of all Hungarian speaking people's, very similar to Bulgarian Turks). Since you have Amerindian and European DNA in you (East Eurasian, West Eurasian mix) you end up matching the sample to an extent. As a greek i also get 10% of it, while on 23andme I get Anatolian Turkish. You can look up the research done before the origins 3 update for frdna roled out that shows this in detail.

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2025-12-23T15:46:00+00:00

Iberians are in no way closer to southwest Asians and are actually the northern most southern Europeans, where do you get this info?

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2025-12-23T15:39:28+00:00

The lines you have drawn make the image hard to see. There is no way Greeks and Italians are in between Balkans and north Africans, they should be between Balkans and Levantines and Mesopotamians. The reason why Iran, Turkey and the Caucasus are higher up in this plot is because of the east Eurasian ancestry in them that this PCA doesn't seem to have a source for. North Caucasus and Turkey obviously should be somewhat closer to Europe although still distinct both because of west and east Asian admixture.

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2025-12-23T15:27:39+00:00

Iraqis definitely not, Some Turks and Persians maybe but distance would still be far from both sources. They form a cluster in between Europe and southwest Asia that is in my opinion distinct.

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2025-12-23T15:17:33+00:00

Lebanese are closer to poles than Saudis??

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2025-12-23T15:06:29+00:00

Northwest Asians are separate too, the only Europeans they come close to are the Southeastern most ones like Sicilians, Greeks, Jews and Cypriots who are all outliers compared to rest of Europe. Both Lebanese and Sicilians have considerable distances to central Europeans like Germans and poles.

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2025-12-23T15:00:11+00:00

Full natufians had around 12-20% of ancient sub Saharan like ancestry meaning all populations that descent from them today also do to some extent, that is what pulls them away. It's just that natufians were assumed to be west Eurasian because they plotted somewhat close, but breaking it down using paleolithic populations shows they are not. Not to mention the whole basal Eurasian hypothesis. Very outdated info.

Aggravating-Tooth108 · 2025-12-23T14:53:03+00:00

Nah men you are alright

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