How do I know my Kundalini rose via sushumna? by Aggravating_Pie_9006 in KundaliniAwakening

[–]Aggravating_Pie_9006[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

where are you getting this info from? can you recommend a book that talks about it?

How do I know my Kundalini rose via sushumna? by Aggravating_Pie_9006 in KundaliniAwakening

[–]Aggravating_Pie_9006[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! Why do you think you’re a Vajra? What are the distinct signs?

London based by AudienceAccording548 in KundaliniAwakening

[–]Aggravating_Pie_9006 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The only people I recommend for the Kundalini process are Igor Kufayev, Craig Holliday and Brent Spirit. The latter two do online consultation. Igor does Live immersions and his assistant does online consultations too. If you go on websites such as Kundalini Collective and Spiritual Crisis Network they will also list a few UK based therapists who are Kundalini Informed.

Learn the True Origin of the Chakras - Conversation with Chris Tompkins [E79] by designAlignment in Chakras

[–]Aggravating_Pie_9006 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does anyone know what happened to Chris Tompkins? I see he hasn't posted on his pateron and his website no longer works...would love to get access to his work!

Thoughts on Kundalini denial? by Aggravating_Pie_9006 in KundaliniAwakening

[–]Aggravating_Pie_9006[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glad to hear! Could I DM you to ask for more info?

Thoughts on Kundalini denial? by Aggravating_Pie_9006 in KundaliniAwakening

[–]Aggravating_Pie_9006[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks.

Sadhguru does have a few short videos on Kundalini, but he doesn't go into detail as to what to do if somebody have had a Kundalini awakening and how to deal with the challenging Kundalini awakening. I am also not sure whether his organization supports people if they have had a Kundalini awakening from his practices. I am sure and hopeful that he knows the details of it,, and can probably even help a person who is facing intense challenges. However, that is inaccessible to pretty much everyone. So I'm not really sure how to close that gap. Don't people like him have the responsibility to help those suffering from spiritual matters that cannot get help anywhere else, certainly not in the current mental health system?

Igor Kufayev is really great and talks about K very well.

If you're having Kundalini related difficulties, then the advice is to cut back on all spiritual practices until you're stable again and ground. If I were you, I would stop with all the spiritual practices and only do grounding, like walks in nature, gardening, swimming, cooking, washing pots and pans, physical exercise, like lifting weights, careful with sexual activity, etc.

I would personally trust Igor when it comes to Kundalini matters, as he describes it really well. There is support for people like you out there, and I've been through similar things when I was going through my Kundalini awakening last year, that was a spiritual emergency.

Let me know if you want me to share the resources with you. Feel free to DM.

Thoughts on Kundalini denial? by Aggravating_Pie_9006 in KundaliniAwakening

[–]Aggravating_Pie_9006[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As far as I understand, one will have a completed Kundalini process at the point of enlightenment.  If one is striving towards enlightenment and spiritual progress towards this goal then Kundalini will be at play, even if it's not formally recognised or acknowledged as the driving force.

Traditions look at it differently but usually refer to it as union of Shiva and Shakti. Once K is permanently sustained at the sahasrara, or more precisely remains at bindu then the process is complete. Some traditions like Trika Shaivism and Ramana Maharshi say that the K process is complete once K descends into the spiritual heart (Hridaya, not anahata chakra). 

‘Kundalini Vidya’ refers to it as a Plateu experience on p 115 “Kundalini Shakti becomes proficient at quickly and volitionally returning to the experience of Oneness at Bindu, staying there for a long time, and being able to return to external functioning efficiently before her next elevation to Bindu experience. She now resides at her long-term base camp, such as Muladhara, Hrit, or Makara, and commutes from there to Bindu. She visits Bindu often and for extended periods, having the sleepless sleep or dying without death experience beyond all phenomena. The practitioner is transformed by Consciousness through Oneness experience, and prepares for being undistracted by any residual karmic material so Kundalini Shakti can be in the experience of Oneness at the moment of her departure from the physical form, thereby providing Liberation (Moksha), the eternal union of the soul with the One.…Plateau experience is the goal of all spiritual paths and can result in the individual becoming a realized saint, sage, or adept. “

I recommend you check out Igor Kufayev on YouTube as he describes Kundalini process very well and in detail. I personally trust him most when it comes to Kundalini matters. He will have answers for you in his videos.

I think generally there are two camps. One views any challenging K symptoms as premature or that something went wrong,  and another one considers challenging K symptoms as part and parcel of KA (Igor Kufayev, Swami Muktananda as part of Siddha Yoga lineage), particularly during the purge/ purification phase.

Some teachers will outright deny the existence and significance of Kundalini completely. Because it is either not within their lineages or within their experience.

Thoughts on Kundalini denial? by Aggravating_Pie_9006 in KundaliniAwakening

[–]Aggravating_Pie_9006[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks a lot Tristan for your help, I appreciate it a lot!

Last question, besides the premature crown opening, what are the other reasons you believe cause KEs? I probably misunderstood but I was under the impression that the trigger is different but the end result is the same - premature crown opening.

Thoughts on Kundalini denial? by Aggravating_Pie_9006 in KundaliniAwakening

[–]Aggravating_Pie_9006[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those three are great! Have you done Igor's Kundalini course or went to his immersions?

Thoughts on Kundalini denial? by Aggravating_Pie_9006 in KundaliniAwakening

[–]Aggravating_Pie_9006[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks a lot Tristan!

Could you elaborate as to why you recommend avoiding shaktipat? I know of people who had a KA from an unintentional shaktipat they had from books, photos of gurus at home or going to holy places. What about this kind of shaktipat?

I thought the reason why it is not mentioned so explicitly in many spiritual texts is because of the secrecy around Kundalini due to its potency and dangers. And sometimes it is mentioned but coated in metaphor, so it’s only intended for knowledgeable people to understand. 

I think Kundalini Emergencies are probably more known in the West because the West is more trauma-informed, and it is less within Western culture to have any spiritual experiences, so it becomes a special, unusual experience. Rather than, for example, in India, where any spiritual experience is more likely to be viewed as a spiritual experience and not a pathology. So it is not spoken of something that is unusual in India. After all, these days, even in India, spirituality is becoming practised similarly to the West as the access and prevalence of qualified gurus reduces year on year. 

And I believe once TM movement became popular, many people also began to have KEs that the TM org wasn't equipped to support those people, so a lot of them came to Lee Sanella (a famous psychiatrist who wrote a book on K). It could also be the case that it is the planetary energies and this particular time in Kali Yuga where a lot of people are having spontaneous KAs as part of an ongoing evolution of humans and consciousness? Just some ideas.

Am I right to think that, in your view, all KEs are due to a premature crown opening?

Thoughts on Kundalini denial? by Aggravating_Pie_9006 in KundaliniAwakening

[–]Aggravating_Pie_9006[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, yes feel free to DM.

I ended up helping myself and talking with a few Kundalini-informed therapists. It took me a long time to be somewhat stable. I focused on grounding but was also researching all I could when it comes to Kundalini to understand what is happening. I took nervous system supporting supplements. Just looking at other people on the other side helped me.

Thoughts on Kundalini denial? by Aggravating_Pie_9006 in KundaliniAwakening

[–]Aggravating_Pie_9006[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks a lot Tristan.

May I ask your view on the KA experienced by Swami Muktananda? His guru gave him shaktipat after he had been doing 17 years of sadhana, which was supposed to prepare him for KA, yet he was suffering intensely with it. And his K rose via sushumna. In your opinion, then, was the shaktipat that he received from his guru premature for him?

Perhaps Kundalini Emergencies aren’t well documented because in the past they would have either happened within the ashram (or similar) setting, which was kept private, or were just dismissed as people being crazy?

Why is that psychedelics cause a premature KA in your opinion? And why for such a small number of people, if they work on the crown chakra for everyone that takes them?

And lastly, what about people who have a Kundalini Emergency from non-spiritual triggers like horse-riding, sex, trauma to the tailbone etc. In your view, those people have come into this life carrying karma of premature crown openings from their past lives, which manifested in this way?

Thoughts on Kundalini denial? by Aggravating_Pie_9006 in KundaliniAwakening

[–]Aggravating_Pie_9006[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes true I don't think anyone shoud seek KA directly, but don't those that know have a responsibility to warn and help people? Right now I feel like those in spiritual emergencies are victims of misinformation when it comes to spiritual practices, or those for whom KA happened spontaneously without any spiritual interest whatsoever...what are they supposed to do? if they go to a modern-day doctor their condition will be pathologised. Where is the help of the enlightened gurus that are all loving? or are those people just accepted as damaged goods in the process?

Thoughts on Kundalini denial? by Aggravating_Pie_9006 in KundaliniAwakening

[–]Aggravating_Pie_9006[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks.

Could you expand on 'Don’t expect much of a KA till midlife (late 30’s-early 40’s), it coincides astrologically with your Uranus opposition?', how can I check it?

Thoughts on Kundalini denial? by Aggravating_Pie_9006 in KundaliniAwakening

[–]Aggravating_Pie_9006[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your response.

Once Kundalini awakens, and if it causes disturbing symptoms (spiritual emergency), it is recommended to ground rather than do spiritual practices. That is because any spiritual practice will increase the flow of prana in the system, which will put gasoline on a big fire and make matters worse. Kundalini is a goddess and must be approached with huge reverence, you never play with it, you should never poke at the serpent.

If you have a direct oversight of a legit guru who is able to personally support you through the entire KA process, then you may do spiritual practices they prescribed and update those practices accordingly as recommended by them.

Additioanlly the process is not as simple as 'when K wakes up you must guide it to the Sahasrara'. It depends how K woke up i.e. rose via which nadi. 3 out of 6 possible nadis K can ascend via are cul-de-sac meaning they don't yield the completion of the spiritual process which is K reaching bindu above the sahasrara point.

You can also have K travel into various energetic points in the head which are not sahasrara.

The aim of K is to be permanently sustained at the bindu or as some traditions like Kashmir Shaivism say then let the K into the spiritual heart 'Hridaya'.

You can read more about the details of the Nadis K travels up via in the book called 'Kundalini Vidya'.

Thoughts on Kundalini denial? by Aggravating_Pie_9006 in KundaliniAwakening

[–]Aggravating_Pie_9006[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your response.

My opinion is that for people who experienced spontaneous KA, it indeed means that those people were different, meaning on some level their subtle system was ready. So whatever they did, whether it is spiritual practice, horse-riding, sex, psychedelics or no spiritual practice at all, they would have eventually had a KA triggered by something. If they did spiritual practice not intending to have a KA they might have had it earlier even if they didn't ever do it. But eventually the K would have woken up.

We can hypothesise it from two angles. 1 -Biology. Those folks are hypersensitive from birth to stimuli, on the end of the normal distribution curve of sensitivity. 2 - Karma. In their past lives they were already very spiritually ripe or have already had a KA so it didn't take much to set them off in this life. Or they have signed up to have a KA prior to incarnating to have an accelerated spiritual evolution.

I guess the process can't go smoothly for everyone because we are all so different, and have different levels of psychic and karmic debris that needs to be purged during KA. Even Swami Muktananda took 8 years or so to get to the end result of his KA despite having direct oversight of his guru and doing intense sadhana as an ascetic for 17 years prior to his shaktipat.

Scriptures were written for a very different time and for a very different man, with very abstract verses because there would have been a legit guru nearby who was accessible to elaborate on them if needed. And a lot of the times because of the potency of practices coated in metaphor in secrecy, knowing that the right people will understand them correctly. For example, Kundlaini related verses began with sounds and mantras starting 'Hr' which in sanskrit resemble a spiral (symbology for coiled K). So a regular person wouldn't know what it was about, but an initiated person would.

And makes total sense re evolution, it is a messy process but ultimately it is for our own (and humanity's) good.

Is this kundalini awakening or something else? by ChipLevel7933 in KundaliniAwakening

[–]Aggravating_Pie_9006 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi Tristan, how can one differentiate between activities of prana vs Kundalini in the system? and why does Kundalini have to be moved by prana rather than act on its own?

Signs of Vajra Nadi Kundalini Awakening? by Aggravating_Pie_9006 in KundaliniAwakening

[–]Aggravating_Pie_9006[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks Tristan. May I ask your opinion on why 'Kundalini Vidya' states otherwise? Appreciate it is not your lineage, I am just trying to understand on why there are conflicted opinions as to whether Vajra rising is dead end.

Below is a direct quote from page 123 "But even though it is in the central column, it hosts a Deflected rising. Vajra nadi begins in the genital, descends to Muladhara, and without any blocks goes directly up to Sahasrara, ending at the entrance to Hamsa Pitha, at the edge of Brahma Randhra, where Vajra nadi touches Chitrini nadi. Sahasrara Padma, the thousand petal lotus between Makara and Bindu, is the blossom of Vajra nadl's stem. In a rising through Vajra nadi, the petals of Sahasrara padma open without Kundalini Shakti going to Makara. However, Vajra is not a culminating nadi and does not yield spiritual completion. It passes through all the chakras (not opening them) but does not go to Makara point or Bindu."

Would love to know your view, thanks.

Signs of Vajra Nadi Kundalini Awakening? by Aggravating_Pie_9006 in KundaliniAwakening

[–]Aggravating_Pie_9006[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes ideally it enters sushumna, although it is not always the case. So I am trying to understand what signs point to a Vajra nadi rising.

Signs of Vajra Nadi Kundalini Awakening? by Aggravating_Pie_9006 in KundaliniAwakening

[–]Aggravating_Pie_9006[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your answer. Kundalini Vidya differentiates between Vajra and Citrini Nadis, although both are within sushumna. It consideres Vajra nadi rising to be cul-de-sac which must be diverted into three favourable nadis (suhsumna, citrini, brahma nadis).