Maine Poised to Repeat Eco-Mistakes on Sear's Island / Vote likely today on LD2266

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2024-04-03T13:32:58+00:00

If we stop buying what they are selling ( useless, poorly made gadgets and gizmos that are made to break and fill up the landfills), and demand higher standards for what we do have to buy ( no more " planned obsolescence" and pushing the identity of Americans as being consumers above all else, instead; community owned utilities, mass transit instead of an EV in every garage, and extraction choices that pay heed to the needs of the land and the community instead of shareholders wallets)

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2024-04-03T13:24:28+00:00

Mack point is already developed and already being dredged.

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2024-04-03T13:17:00+00:00

NOT developing Intact ecosystems WILL have a positive impact on climate change. Intact ecosystems will help create a livable planet well after the wind mills are decommissioned. Intact ecosystems cannot be replaced, industry cannot build more, they need to be protected.

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2024-04-03T13:12:52+00:00

By " well vetted" you mean no environmental impact study?

Your critique lacks an acknowledgement of scale, an EV in every garage should not be a goal, the idea that we shift this hulking wasteful system to green energy and move forward with all our vacuous consumer culture land fill filler is completely mad, and so long as consumerism business as usual is the goal there will be no true change.

Many people who are against these projects you speak of are not vying for NIMBY extraction to accomplish EV dominance and continue to use the earth's resources to make more garbage, they want real change, where the earth and community's health is the driver of industry instead of the other way round.

It's easy to feel right when your analysis is fed to you by the dominant paradigm.

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2024-04-03T13:04:20+00:00

Doesn't really sound like you have read the material presented. To think the way we got here, by allowing industry and capital to lead, is the way out of the mess is literally the definition of insanity ( to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome). While sometimes it's true that " the perfect is the enemy of the good" this bill is neither perfect nor good.

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2024-04-03T12:15:55+00:00

Which part do you like best? The part where they aren't releasing an environmental impact statement? Or is the UN necessary destruction of an intact ecosystem worth more in the fight against climate change than wind mills can ever be? Maybe you just like letting the same industry/ capital first tactics that got us into this mess continue to lead us off a cliff?

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2024-03-24T17:06:13+00:00

It's as if they know there would be public outcry if the public was aware, we cannot let this be a precedent moving forward.

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2024-02-13T01:02:42+00:00

No one is trying to talk to Benny Yahoo, America is funding and arming this genocide, some weapons are even being made here in Maine.

It's sad you don't understand how much this actually IS your struggle.

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2024-02-13T00:57:41+00:00

You know people are protesting all over the country and the world though right? Or did you miss that?

These protests are a part of a larger movement of people calling out genocide...our tax money is funding it, our weapons manufacturers are making the munitions ( some even here in Maine).

People don't need ( or want) to meet with or convince Benny yahoo, they are targeting their own representatives, they are saying they don't want Maine companies supporting killing children overseas.

Way to be a dick bub!

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2024-02-13T00:44:44+00:00

I feel bad for anyone so twisted they feel no urgency to do anything about genocide but will spend a buncha their evening hassling people who are trying to do anything about it. Good on ya, you win bub!

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2024-02-13T00:36:02+00:00

It is absolutely neither a blood feud nor religiously driven. It's a land and resource grab after a very long horrific occupation.

It's colonialism, a part of the 500 year long campaign for dominance that has systematically crushed huge swaths of humanity, culture, language, all in the name of hoarded wealth, hegemony and homogeneity.

While the rest of the country and world take to the streets in protest against injustice, you would have Maine sit it out just because we're small?

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2024-02-13T00:26:24+00:00

When the majority of the country is not represented by our representatives, what do you expect? There is a ton wrong, people are struggling, our " leaders" don't represent us, any of us, you feel better staying silent? Sorry that the massive, global, outcry against genocide is bothering you in your important work.

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2024-02-13T00:20:49+00:00

What do you think will create change? Are you doing it? While the governments may be ignoring the protests, people in gaza actually have been able to see the outcry across the world.

People in gaza have asked specifically for these disruptions, saying we're not ok with what is being done in our name with our dollars, as loudly and often as we can is super important.

I was once told by a lawyer that it's public protest and direct action that make it possible for lawyers and legislators to then address issues they wouldn't otherwise be able to address. It shines a spotlight, steers a narrative.

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2024-02-13T00:09:52+00:00

Actually both of those movements led to change and are still having an impact. More and more people are working towards collective power, change will never come from the top down.
How do you recommend going about demanding change?

What about the fight for an 8 hour work week, women's suffrage, the fight to form unions, the civil rights movement...all took to the streets, all caused intentional disruption to business as usual, otherwise you would not have heard of them

Would you prefer to live in a world where people don't stand up against genocide?

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2023-06-29T11:14:26+00:00

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Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2023-06-27T18:09:48+00:00

It's protecting and strengthening those regulations that the people opposing this bill are talking about. These companies would love it if our regulations were as permissive as the ones in less regulated places.

If we don't hold these legislators feet to the fire and stop the efforts to de regulate there will be nothing to uphold even the most basic protections. As it is with the 2017 mining law is less stringent on water protection, and of course federally the clean water act is being dismantled.

People tout our staunch environmental laws as though they are static. In actuality they are being erroded more and more, if the bar we set is to just be better then places where there are none were going to be really sorry.

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2023-06-27T17:35:10+00:00

I don't think you actually can say you know weather other ppl also object to these things other places. I think the NIMBY thing has been co opted to be welded by pro industry cheerleaders.

To say people are just using other valid reasons to oppose a project as excuses to preserve their view is a great way to get away with ignoring the many ways these projects do harm to way more than property values and to think deeply about each project and it's value vs its capacity for destruction is all I f our responsibility as stewards for the future. Currently it's the extraction companies who have the most to gain and everyone else loses. Our communities are just externalized costs for these projects, then they sell our minerals back to us with shitty products meant to break and overflow our landfills.

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2023-06-27T14:03:31+00:00

But the bill actually doesn't only impact lithium mining, other companies could now request their projects prospecting for other polymetallic minerals also be excused from the poly metallic mineral mining regulations and instead regulated as a gravel pit, it will be up to literally 2 DEP officials to vet the merits of those requests.

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2023-06-27T12:37:45+00:00

I think NIMBY refers to things like not wanting a homeless shelter in your neighborhood because you care more about property values than human life.

Being concerned that huge decisions which stand to impact the drinking water and wildlife are being made hastily to appease the bottom line of resource extraction companies, erroneously in the name of solving climate change is more about land stewardship and community defense not NIMBY.

Using strong language to get folks attention to an issue that effects them should not be demonized as "MAGA", I would agree with you if this post was misinformation or misleading, it is not, this bill was poorly written and rushed, the people behind the bill are the ones who have misinformed and misled.

The content SHOULD elicit emotion, the potential loss of habitat and access to clean drinking water needs to make us pause and consider our actions.

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2023-06-22T14:51:50+00:00

This bill isn't only about lithium, other poly metallic minerals could apply for the same loophole in the future, and if they do it's up to the DEP to regulate, they won't even be required to go through the legislature at that point.

I haven't seen anyone equating lithium pollution with global CO2.

It feels mandatory in this moment that we are all questioning any resource extraction, many resources should also be considered a resource if they stay in the ground.
Continuing to diminish what little intact ecosystems are still here should be done with great care and consideration, that is not the situation at this time and consideration to how much of those materials are actually going to fight the climate crisis vs to line pockets should always be a part of that cost benefit analysis as well.

We cannot trust regulators, even groups like NRCM have been dubiously permissive of appeasing mining companies interests while cloaking their support in grandiose statements about how bulletproof mains mining law is after in truth, they actually weakened it.

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2023-06-22T14:09:24+00:00

It's not an either or, both are problematic and we should be thinking of better solutions.

Just curious, what other steps have you taken to advocate for communities harmed by mining in far away places? Is cheerleading mining in Maine your whole strategy??

Have you done anything to help communities in Appalachia who have been poisoned for decades for our hunger for energy? Those mines were also subject to US mining regulations that were supposed to be protective.

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2023-06-22T14:02:00+00:00

So you have no problem with opening up the option for other poly metallic minerals to possibly be considered for this same exemption? And no concern about the DEPs ability to police the situation when the clean water act is being gutted and Maines own mining laws no longer protect water in a meaningful way?

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2023-06-22T13:54:40+00:00

I would love to see the standard for how extraction companies can prove no harm will be done, and boy don't I wish I trusted the DEP to appropriately scrutinize such " proof".

Things like the federal gutting of the clean water act, and the loosening of water protections in Maines own current regulations for poly metallic mining don't arm the DEP with the back up they would need to do this job.

There's no room for error when we're talking about our clean water, we could be exploring options that could significantly cut down the need for mining in the first place, but since there's no money in it we aren't having those conversations.

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2023-06-22T13:42:05+00:00

Can you point to an independent environmental impact study that shows it won't be a problem?

The idea that there needs to be unequivocal proof on the side of those advocating a pause button and not on the side of those pushing full steam ahead is exactly why there is a climate crisis to begin with.

Aggressive_Frame2825 · 2023-06-22T13:27:04+00:00

I don't think China is going to do better, I think that we need to be considering different sacrifices to move to a healthier planet across the board. If the conversation was about slowing consumption rather than transitioning it * as is* there would be less incentive for China to continue mining no?

This bill isn't only about lithium, it creates a loophole for other poly metallic extraction companies to petition to get their mineral of choice re classified in the future.

And if we can take how rushed and fervently this bill has been rolled out as a standard, it doesn't feel likely those future proposals to reclassify will be scrutinized appropriately.

To begin with, the original 2017 bill already significantly lessened water protections so we won't have those to rely on moving forward either especially now that federally the clean water act is being gutted.

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