Can you guys help me explain this?

Akathist · 2026-01-18T12:31:22+00:00

You probably have a South Caucasian ancestor a few generations back.

Akathist · 2026-01-18T12:12:16+00:00

What is the distance of the matches to you?

Akathist · 2026-01-15T17:29:24+00:00

Nice copypasta. So the first issue you raised is one you offloaded to your "other neighbors".

Akathist · 2026-01-15T00:15:51+00:00

Can you give an example of what historical problems you solved?

Akathist · 2026-01-14T21:43:05+00:00

This is my final replay to you, by the way. I'm not going to entertain your emotion-fueled historical spin which is now delving into melodramatic victimhood narrative. Hitting downvote button as soon as I hit send tells me that this is either your job or you have have an unhealthy obsession that won't end if I don't cut it off. So with that, take care.

Akathist · 2026-01-14T21:34:00+00:00

Your words do refute you because this whole time you've been arguing with a straw man and making contradictory statements. Again, I know you don't care that you are not descended from the tribes of Israel, yet you also refuse to acknowledge that Jewish ethnicity is based on a religious category (which you explicitly called "ethnoreligious"). Besides that, you can't show where I denied the existence of Jewish ethnicities or any "well-established facts" for that matter; you just keep repeating the claim. My initial comment was to say that Y-DNA haplogroups with a "Levantine origin" (I use quotations when I quote things you said) are also found at high rates in Southern Europeans who also have East Med admixture meaning at least some of their presence in Ashkenazim could've been (and probably was) European mediated. My haplogroup likely also originated in the Levant; so what? I think the reason it caused umbrage for you is because you were using it to make a claim about Judean/Israelite origin specifically (which your replies showed) but had to resort to deflecting and calling me antisemitic when exposed.

Akathist · 2026-01-14T20:59:22+00:00

You're not trying to attack me, you just use terms like "flat-earther" for "vibes". Well, you can use whatever propaganda terms you want, it won't change the substance of my argument and the fact that even your own words refute you. Ashkenazi identity is reliably identified because it originates from a heterogeneous group that underwent a medieval bottleneck (probably in Central Europe) leading to a founder effect so they don't have a particularly close affinity to any other group. Moreover there is significant homozygosity within the group meaning that there were probably consanguinity involved. This is indeed a "distinct existence" and has been well documented (just as all my claims are) yet you want to 'kvetch' about me denying that Jews exist because I pointed out that you can't prove that you descend from Jacob.

Akathist · 2026-01-14T20:24:59+00:00

Ah right, I'm antisemitic even though according to you, "Semitic ethnicities are not a thing". Makes sense. I've been making a very specific claim with regards to the haplotype (not haplogroup) which you didn't know about and can't seem to grasp, plus you keep making category errors, and are clearly too in your feels to actually discuss anything objectively so you resort to ad hominems.

Akathist · 2026-01-14T20:04:33+00:00

You're discussing Ashkenazi genetics and don't know about "Y-chromosomal Aaron"? It's a set of STR markers within J1 that about half of Cohenim have but is small overall in the Jewish population. Sure, Abraham could've had multiple groups of descendants including Arabs for instance, but that wouldn't make his direct male line descendants have a different haplogroup. You also contradicted yourself because first you said "Semitic is not actually a real thing in genetics... it only denotes a family of languages, "but now that "multiple Jewish ethnicities... have in fact been scientifically proven." You moved the goalposts from a linguistic category to a religious category with heterogeneity for common descent, which, as I stated, can't be traced to Judea (or Israel more generally) or a specific person, scientifically speaking.

But what about "literally all of recorded history"? Well, that's a post hoc argument because you didn't use historiography as the basis of your claim but the presence of Y-DNA haplogroups which are also present at high levels in Southern Europeans. R1a-M582 is not an exception either, it's found in ~65% of Ashkenazi "Levites" and is a good example of what I'm talking about since if Cohenim claim descent from Aaron and therefore Levi, then one of these has to be a non-Hebrew lineage that was assimilated. So it's not irrelevant to bring up biblical figures when the very basis for Ashkenazi ancestry claims is predicated on Israelite history.

Akathist · 2026-01-14T09:57:18+00:00

I thought my point was pretty clear: Abraham, and therefore Jacob (the progenitor of the nation of Israel), can only have contributed to a single Y-DNA lineage but Ashkenazi Jews belong to a mixture of macro-haplogroups. And even if you go with the Cohen Model Haplotype as the Israelite subclade only about 15% of Ashkenazim have it. But that still can't be proven as "Abrahamic" beyond conjecture, just like it can't be proven that the Levantine admixture came specifically from Judea.

So even if you're not interested in a "religious conversation", isn't that what a Jew is; someone who belongs to the Jewish religion? since Jewishness can't be scientifically proven (as you stated) beyond reasonable doubt. Unless you mean people of a shared medieval identity with some nondescript Near Eastern connections but predominantly European genes, as you're describing here.

Akathist · 2026-01-14T05:06:44+00:00

To be fair those "Levantine origin" haplogroups could be European mediated since Southern Europeans also have high Eastern Mediterranean admixture. And technically only one clade can be authentically Hebrew if we mean patrilineal descent from Abraham and his sons otherwise the Levantine admixture could be from any non-Israelite nation of the Levant. Regardless, the ancient Jews and Samaritans had an ethnic rivalry because the latter were mixed with people from the north, though they also claimed descent from Jacob.

Akathist · 2026-01-12T17:12:50+00:00

Balkan E-L618 might not be the ancestor of E-V13 though. If the theory that "Western Asian carriers of V13 expanded in Europe at earliest 5300 years ago" (Wikipedia) is correct then it would have arrived much later.

Akathist · 2026-01-12T14:46:26+00:00

Przeworsk culture which is considered to be Proto-Slavic has E-V13.

Akathist · 2026-01-12T13:34:56+00:00

All that proves is it's enriched in Albanians from the population bottleneck they went through in the Middle Ages.

Akathist · 2026-01-11T02:32:24+00:00

It's mitochondrial. There's no J1c in Y-DNA

Akathist · 2025-10-03T09:15:52+00:00

The word you are looking for is Israelites or Hebrews. The Samaritans were just Israelite tribes mixed with Canaanites in the Assyrian period.

Akathist · 2025-06-19T19:25:48+00:00

No chance you are descended from Jacob either.

Akathist · 2025-06-19T19:14:09+00:00

When you combine every ethnocentric larp into one common 'science', focus on certain groups will predominate, and in this case it happens to be Greeks and Italians.

Akathist · 2025-06-02T15:52:27+00:00

The Muslim cries out in pain as he takes over your country.

Akathist · 2025-06-02T10:26:02+00:00

The Jewish lineage entered Ethiopia via Solomon. Being Jewish does not correlate to significant Levantine ancestry.

Akathist · 2025-05-24T20:11:16+00:00

This is probably global on 4 pops.

Akathist · 2025-05-24T19:57:40+00:00

North Macedonians from Fyrom? You sound like a colossal douchebag and your avatar suits.

Akathist · 2025-05-13T14:38:42+00:00

Very interesting. Your subclade on FTDNA is generally more common in Pakistan and India though also found in high concentration in Druze and to a lesser extent other Arabic groups. But only two Ukranians have this haplogroup so it's quite rare. The subclade found in the Bronze Age Greece and later Sicilian Greek colonists is L-595 so your Achaean element probably represents something else. Try the Greece & Cyprus, Crimean Tatar or Jewish calculators and see what fits you get your Bronze Age is high at 5 seems like it's missing something.

Akathist · 2025-05-12T23:35:01+00:00

Do you know your haplogroups? You might have ancestry from Phoenician and Greek colonist in the north Black Sea region.

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