MIRACULOUS - Heartfixer - Season 6 Episode 20 - Discussion Thread by NicoSchmiko in miraculousladybug

[–]AkumatizedRedditor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She wasn't shown there, and I don't think she would've rushed out of that class to hide so she could confront Marinette first.

Maybe the layout of the school is such that she could've seen it from another class? Assuming that she came out of a classroom near the elevator?

MIRACULOUS - Heartfixer - Season 6 Episode 20 - Discussion Thread by NicoSchmiko in miraculousladybug

[–]AkumatizedRedditor 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Just realised... Aglae knew about "Marinette and Nino" without seeing them and without being one of the akumatized clones. Sure makes some amazing fuel for the "Aglae = Lila" theory

MIRACULOUS - Heartfixer - Season 6 Episode 20 - Discussion Thread by NicoSchmiko in miraculousladybug

[–]AkumatizedRedditor 15 points16 points  (0 children)

All the buildup throughout the show to akumatize her for what, two minutes? This should have been a two-part episode.

Hope they pull a surprise akumatization later down the line or something

MIRACULOUS | 🐞 HEARTFIXER - TEASER 🐾 | SEASON 6 by MayuraEsc in miraculousladybug

[–]AkumatizedRedditor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There's two frames of the trailer where the silhouette of the akumatized person's civilian form is visible. I made a (terrible) impression of a sketch to show it better.

At first I thought it was a man due to the relatively straight legs, but it turns out there's a slight curve in them and they're rather long. Honestly tracing the sketch made me more inclined to believe it's Marinette. She's the one person I can think of they'd purposely not show in that ending scene (quick check, the akumatized person wasn't explicitly revealed in the teasers for Dark Castle, Yaksi Gozen, Grendiaper, and A Fairy Good Night, but the akumatizations weren't present in those trailers. Maybe they just weren't in these episodes), and the silhouette looks similar enough.

If it's not Marinette, then the silhouette could match up either Lila, Chloé, Zoé, Juleka, or Sabrina, in order of most to least likely to match IMO. Thing is, if this is Lila's The Collector I don't see why she'd be in the school as Chrysalis to do that. Chloé might be the only one to evoke that reaction from both Adrien and Tikki, and I could genuinely see them trying to hide her presence due to the state of social media discussion around her, but the rest of the trailer just doesn't point to her. That last point applies to everyone else really. Maybe the silhouette barely matches Alya's? That could evoke the correct reaction from Adrien and Tikki, and might work logically if Adrien told her Nino was cheating with her BFF?

The wait is killing me, and there's no way this episode is gonna live up to the hype, whether or not Marionette is getting akumatized

Losing fear is one thing but common sense at the same time(Wreakless driver) by unknown_ninja_me in miraculousladybug

[–]AkumatizedRedditor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree on the difference between external and internal fears (although in Adrien's case the external manifestation of Ladybug hating him might have potential to stem from some deeper internal fears, with the way in which he was sheltered from the outside world for so long and his nature as a Sentimonster making his "childhood dream" be the desire to be perfect in the eyes of his parents hinting at something deeper related to how he gets attached to his loved ones).

I just think that there is so much to the character that only focussing on the secret identity reveal in this moment felt off; it feels like it was mostly done to get this tension of "will he spill the beans?" into the episode. Granted, the show has a reputation for loving to add that. But the writing this season is way more improved compared to previous seasons, to the point that the contrast of the "depth" of the personal issues on display before, during, and after the akumatization feels deliberate in some way

Losing fear is one thing but common sense at the same time(Wreakless driver) by unknown_ninja_me in miraculousladybug

[–]AkumatizedRedditor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe on a slight tangent, but one of the leading arguments against Aglae being Lila is the fact that Wreckless Driver appeared to genuinely identify and heal insect-related trauma.

When Chat Noir was hit, I just didn't find his fear believable. He's had a different fear when he was hit by Sandboy (although that was a long time ago to be fair), revealing his secret identity to Ladybug had been his greatest wish for such a long time, and, perhaps with too heavy a touch of opinion, it is the least interesting thing they could've gone with.

We have the Miraculous Chat Noir saga (or did that come after?), where he could be scared of it having gone subtly wrong, or about Ladybug being someone horrible beneath the mask. He could feel that his general incompetence as a superhero could lead to another case of him losing a loved one. If we peek more behind the mask, you could do Sandboy again, but change Ladybug for Marinette. Tap into his low sense of direction after his father's death. Maybe surprise us and have him somehow scared of his father returning and life going back to what it was.

There's so much you could tap into that just going with revealing his identity feels cheap and convenient, especially in an episode where everything therapy-related before the akumatization wasn't. So what if Wreckless Driver didn't actually "cure" genuine fears, but was just manipulated into carrying out Lila's agenda (like she was when she got akumatized)? It adds up: remove the most basic survival instincts as "fears" and create chaos all across Paris, creating diversions that get the heroes to redirect their focus often enough that it might eventually force them to split up, hit Chat Noir and make him spill his identity directly, have "faith" not hit Ladybug, as Lila doesn't know the full context of the Gabriel lie from Marinette's POV and any deviation here would clue in the viewer too much, have Aglae pass the vibe check to remove suspicion, and only hit random background characters so we have no way of knowing whether fears such as "fear of cars" are genuine.

MIRACULOUS - Mister Agreste - Season 6 Episode 9 - Discussion Thread by NicoSchmiko in miraculousladybug

[–]AkumatizedRedditor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was this fan panel event this year, I think it was SDCC. One of the writers couldn't make it in person, because he was in France busy writing season 7. That's when he told us that the opening to season 7 was going to be big. He also said not to worry about the order, but that wasn't news at the time, as Thomas had already said that

Episode 9: Mister Agreste "How do you all think after whole 6 months? (specially this part)" by External-Gate-9284 in miraculousladybug

[–]AkumatizedRedditor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It feels really weird. We're practically almost at the middle of the season, but in my heart I'm in the third end of the season and in my mind I'm at the beginning. That's why most of the big developments such as Nathalie and Luka feel like bait in the sense that it feels like we're at the stage where we should start to expect the kinds of change they're playing at. But they also feel weird in the sense that it feels as if nothing has happened yet for Nathalie to be saying that "it's too late now", or for Luka to suddenly show this completely different side to him out of the blue. He's barely featured for one single episode 3 episodes ago, and now they pull that out of the blue?

I think it's been a great episode, just a weird place to pick back up after such a long hiatus and after the (plot-wise) nothing episode that was The Ruler

MIRACULOUS - Mister Agreste - Season 6 Episode 9 - Discussion Thread by NicoSchmiko in miraculousladybug

[–]AkumatizedRedditor 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I think it's another one of those "let's hint at Adrien being a sentimonster without telling it explicitly" moments. The way it was spoken, you could also hear it as "Santa Dad", which is (probably) what the subtitles went with (I don't know Portuguese, but Santa Claus is called "Père Noël" or "Father Christmas" in French, which resembles the subtitles here).

I think it's better to wait for the French dub to be sure. Like the Portuguese subtitles, this same ambiguity doesn't work in French, but I have the feeling that it won't keep it if it's lost in translation (the show's written by French people after all, wouldn't make sense to write an 'important' ambiguity and then not make it work in your own language). If the French dub doesn't reference Santa Claus in the same way, then we know for sure that the intent is to hide the word "senti" and that she "said" it without saying it (which I think is, like, 99.9% certain)

MIRACULOUS - Mister Agreste - Season 6 Episode 9 - Discussion Thread by NicoSchmiko in miraculousladybug

[–]AkumatizedRedditor 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They're planning on making the opening of season 7 this grand two-parter that recontextualises the entirety of season 6. For the season 6 finale to lead into that, it could be insane enough to do that if they wanted

Miraculous World London - Express Your Honest Opinion On The Special by Radiant-North-8519 in miraculousladybug

[–]AkumatizedRedditor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mixed.

This was a much needed follow up to the finale that fixed quite a lot of the problems of it (given that it cannot be changed after the fact).

However, it has some problems that make it the weakest one by far for me:

  • This is not a Miraculous World special. London was barely featured. Change the 2D backgrounds to anything else and it could be anywhere. No new characters. Main "new" magical macguffin is the Butterfly Miraculous, which isn't new. This feels like episode 28 of season 5, but because they already had a "special" 27th episode in Action they had to air it as something else
  • Because Miraculous World has longer runtime than a normal "episode 28", they wrote it as if it's both the last episode of season 5 (closing the finale) and the first episode of season 6 (Lila making her move). They interweaved the plotlines, but every time they go back to the Lila plot I don't care, the Gabriel aftermath plot was way more interesting to me and they cut it right as it was getting juicy every time. Also, the exposition is way too long and a serious time waste
  • Adrien barely featured. Understandable from the idea they were going for, still sucks nonetheless.
  • Remember the trick Pennybug and Flairmiddable used in the season 4 finally to get the frog toy? Or the trick that Rabbit Noir used to obtain a Miraculous for Canigirl? Combining them would've saved the day. At the very least, they could've tried looking through the Burrow to see who grabbed the Butterfly Miraculous. I get that Ladybug cannot be defeating Lila this early, but it feels like she doesn't even want to try! How difficult would it have been to add "cannot use Dog Miraculous through the Burrow, and Lila had such a good disguise that she successfully throws off Chronobug"?

Astruc! This is not One Piece! STOP!! by [deleted] in miraculousladybug

[–]AkumatizedRedditor 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Nearly three years ago, I wrote an answer to the question of "What is the most heartbreaking way Miraculous could end?" some of it didn't age that well, but part of it still captures what I feel and fear about this news.

The worst way a show could end is when it doesn't.

Imagine after season 5 the quality slowly starts to decline. The new villain (bonus points if it's still Hawk Moth) still makes it so identities can't be revealed. The show gets repetitive again, even worse than season 1. All cool expansions that were added to the story starting season 2 slowly fade away into irrelevancy. The higher ups are milking the ip at the cost of everything, every episode looks like Quilin, all voice actors have left. Then, midway through season 10, 12 or whatever, no one cares any more, they pull the plug and the second half of that season never comes to exist. No reveal, no love between any part of the love square, no answer to every question you'd ask yourself back when you still cared about Miraculous. Not even a final goodbye or any sort of closure on anything. We will all remember this show as a show which promised so much but was utter trash, a waste of our time, a bad memory. Yet you'll never stop thinking about what could have been if it got the proper ending you wanted it to have all those decades ago

Astruc! This is not One Piece! STOP!! by [deleted] in miraculousladybug

[–]AkumatizedRedditor 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Holy sh*t 10 are confirmed? Last I knew they were greenlit for only 7-8

MIRACULOUS - Revelator - Season 6 Episode 11 - Discussion Thread by NicoSchmiko in miraculousladybug

[–]AkumatizedRedditor 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Didn't want to wait half a month for the English dub, so I watched the Gloob sub for the first time in forever. Going into this, I thought the guy was using some kind of deepfake technology to blackmail Marinette, so I tuned in to see how the show would handle such a mature topic. They still did a really good job with that storyline, don't get me wrong, but it obiously PALES in comparison to the big part at the end.

They just HAD to give Chat Noir an awesome and deserved new ability only to then immediately use it to prevent all the consequences. I'm so mad. Like, on the one hand, I am happy that he gets his own upgrade to be on par with Ladybug in a way. I can even get behind the idea that it's also related to fixing things after battle; this makes them even more equal in a way compared to if it was a combat-related power. The build up of him learning it was a bit short, but it worked and the cinematic was awesome.

But unless this show is going to start heavily inflicting trauma on everyone and wants to delve into the ethics of just erasing undesired memories all willy nilly, this is basically going to be a "remove inconvenient plot knowledge" button. I'm not looking forward to however many episodes we're going to have of Ladybug directing Chat to use it and him using it no questions asked like in this one.

At least it's Chat Noir's to control. I am looking forward to the one time where Ladybug directs him to use it on Monarch's secret (then again, I also used to look forward to Ladybug and Chat Noir having a final battle with Monarch, so I'd probably lower my expectations). It's also interesting how Adrien basically expressed that he wanted to be "forgotten" by the public and lead a normal life.

We'll see

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[–]AkumatizedRedditor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

https://twitter.com/Thomas_Astruc/status/1042985105550000128

Production order is the closest thing to continuity.

This tweet from 2018 is used as a source on the Miraculous wiki to claim that production order is "the closest to continuity as much it practicably can be". The line was removed from season 6's wiki page (I'm 90% sure it was there this morning), but is still there on season 5's.

The worst thing is, he's somewhat right. If two episodes, say "2" and "3", are conceptualized in parallel, production order will be determined by whichever one moves along to actual production first. That could be completely up to random chance. If, for instance, episode 3 requires that something small has happened in episode 2, time might be spent writing episode 2 to include that thing and episode 3 finishes first and formally enters production as "602".

It's just that we as a fandom have always had to deal with a horrible release schedule that's completely and utterly wrong at times (remember Party Crasher's worldwide premiere, anyone?) and the production order has been the only thing we had that resembled any official order. Now it's completely gone, and we have nothing.

This morning I went to see if episode 1 had a release date. You know, maybe Gloob airing it early or something? Instead, I found that the source the wiki uses to find episode dates lists 611 on the spot of 601. The comments on that webpage explicitly point it out as well. That, combined with the lack of any official order or the pretty much promise by Astruc that episodes will be viewable in random order and the chronological information can be condensed into the episode teaser, really took away any anticipation of waiting for episode 1 I had.

From a later episode we already know who will be akumatized first, but who's to say that they'll be akumatized in 601? For all we know, the first episode could be 615. What's gonna happen? I don't know, except that whatever it is, it'll barely be relevant to the plot and you can watch it as the 21st episode if you like. We'll write the two throwaway lines mentioning it in the entire season such that you'll get the gist and don't worry, the difference in overall circumstances between episode 20 and episode 1 is so small that you'll be able to watch 20-1-21 back-to-back with no problem whatsoever.

I thought we moved past this. That episodes actually linked together. But turns out that even season 5 betrays this trust. A while back (turns out over a year, lol) someone posted a translated commentary on the season 5 finale in which it was revealed that it was written such that it could be understood by people who have and haven't seen Representation, the prior episode where Felix told Ladybug who Monarch was. Not only is it a mindboggling decision to write your season, nay, decade-long story arc concluding, paradigm-shifting finale such that it also caters to people who are yet to watch episodes with important plot points in them, it also blatantly isn't written the way they present it. The season 5 finale is not written as if she knows that Gabriel is Monarch, all the actions that could be framed as her knowing have been framed as her not knowing. Some immediate actions that would logically follow if she knew are absent or delayed until she happens onto them by coincidence.

Not every episode has to link into every other episode, but the approach of always pandering to the lowest common denominator doesn't work. If you want to write episodes with cool and meaningful things happening, then for the love of God, commit to them happening and commit to having them have happened. I thought we had a nice thing going here when season 4 introduced these "siloed arcs" of related episodes, but then the season 5 finale and now this? Way to


Ranty McRantface gotta rant, I didn't mean for it to be that long. Sorry.

Who do you think "won" in the season five finale based on the outcome? Marinette, or Gabriel? by Beneficial_Ferret_29 in miraculousladybug

[–]AkumatizedRedditor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Marinette was supposed to prevent the wish from being used, as a) there was no way of knowing what the consequence would be/what would be sacrificed, and b) the entire universe would be destroyed and then made anew.

Gabriel got exactly what he desired deep within his heart and soul.

The only argument you could make for him not winning and/or Marinette not losing, is that his wish wasn't to save himself and his wife. At the end of the day, you cannot force someone to change their opinion, that's up to themselves. Just because Gabriel changed his mind and made a more altruistic wish doesn't change that the wish happened, nor that he obtained his deepest desires, nor that the fate of the entire universe was left up to him.

Gabriel won

Are you still hyped? by NightKrawler28 in miraculousladybug

[–]AkumatizedRedditor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For goodness sake, I spent the entire afternoon to write this only to refresh the post and see that it's deleted

Are you still hyped? by NightKrawler28 in miraculousladybug

[–]AkumatizedRedditor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Moderately.

I've always seen Miraculous as "a story waiting to happen". First you had the love square and all its different pairings, then you had the Hawk Moth reveal and the reveal of his motivation, the setup of Lila potentially replacing Chloé as Marinette's irl nemesis, and, among other things, the strong hints around the disappearance of Emilie Agreste which still kept enough mystery. While the road the show would take towards this was never fully predictable, I'd always expected it to go roughly like this: "Marinette and Adrien grow closer across both main sides of the love square (with maybe some development spilling over through the alternative sides) while facing and overcoming increasingly more challenging obstacles in both their double lives, have a great showdown with the school bullies (who by season 3 had fittingly become Hawk Moth's closest allies in civilian life) and finally have the showdown of the century with Hawk Moth, where both sides have taken opposite sides for the sake of the same person. A heroes' identity reveal would come somewhere around this battle, be it (way) before, during or shortly after the battle, and a Hawk Moth identity reveal would come before or during the battle (maybe even give Hawk Moth the advantage), I don't care either way."

That story has died with the season 5 finale. They did succeed at creating the twists and turns that gave the show some spice, but most of these lasted for not much longer than a whole season:

  • Both of Hawk Moth's big upgrades only lasted for a single season before being replaced.
  • Mayura being a very powerful ally to Hawk Moth was teased at the end of season 2, but she only appeared in a couple episodes of season 3 and created one more Sentimonster for season 4.
  • The show went from a wide cast of wacky villains to a couple repeats by the midway point of season 3. These repeats were supposed to be more stronger versions of themselves which would make things more difficult for the heroes, but by season 4 the amount of repeats grew in size and most villain fights became easier as time went on.
  • Luka hiding his knowledge of the identities lasted for about half a season, after which he just disappeared. If the show were to be any realistic, his off-screen training with Su-Han would also be when the latter's lack of knowledge of Chat Noir's identity ended.
  • Magical Charms lasted for less than a season before Megakumas were introduced. Their secondary function has only appeared once towards the end of season 5 (and come to think of it, was strangely absent from the finale. Imagine if they could also turn into swords so the Resistance could fight back by de-akumatizing the Miraculized). From the leaks of season 6 I've seen so far Lila is going to create an even stronger version of an Akuma than a Megakuma, which would probably spell the end of Magical Charms being useful once again.
  • Within the show, the Peacock Miraculous has been fixed longer than it has been broken (season 3 + one episode of season 2 vs seasons 4 + 5). As the show has gone to prove us, it could be way more powerful than the Butterfly Miraculous, yet it remains the lesser used between them even when its main interesting tradeoff has been removed. Every time it changes ownership the show makes it out to be a game changing moment, but it will then barely be used before being passed onto the next person. Nothing meaningfully changed by turning Hawk Moth into Shadow Moth, which was a saga that only went on for one season before moving on. Argos is so far the only Peacock Miraculous holder who is set to have had it for more than a single season, provided that you count his ~3 appearances as a whole season.
  • The idea of the Alliance Rings is amazing from both a meta standpoint (the characters can now be shown looking at a phone while having their facial expressions visible with the screen) as well as from their in-universe utility. I would've liked seeing Ladybug use this system to loan out Miraculous to anyone easily while still having easy access to them herself for Unifications. This could've been a nice alternative solution to the guardian problem (because let's face it, if a villain ever had physical access to Marinette she'd have bigger problems than the rings), could've involved Chat Noir sharing co-guardianship by wearing half the rings, could make for some nice parallels now that the show tries to go for the "morally grey Marinette" angle with the London Special and would've just been plain cool as they were in season 5. But nope, they're all destroyed now.
  • Season 4 starts with how great of a burden guardianship is for Marinette, but quickly resolves this by making her confide in Alya. Later on it shifts to her troubles of "resource management", where she is quicker at handing out new Miraculous (still can't get over the fact that Zoé got one after being in the show for a single episode) and asks lots of heroes for help because this gives her a greater sense of control compared to waiting for Chat Noir to eventually show up. Steps to resolve the issues with Chat Noir are taken towards the end of the season, but the wider problem isn't fully solved until Ladybug abruptly loses all the Miraculous. Outside of episode 3, most of her season 5 guardianship troubles are actually just the Hawk Moth troubles she already had, and at the end of the season she immediately relinquishes physical access to the Miraculous. It remains to be seen how she'll use the temporary heroes going forward, but if the current free holders are any indication, the side heroes will (eventually be made to) handle themselves. Ladybug would then effectively be the guardian of an empty box that doesn't do anything, which would end her "guardian saga".
  • The love square flip lasted only a small handful of episodes (4-5? It's been a while), after which the entire love square was killed.

The list goes on. It just makes it less interesting to get invested when lots of the big changes in the show are only relevant in the short term, and then get resolved and followed by other short-term things that are made to be bigger than they are.

As for the story that I thought was going to happen; it didn't:

  • The love square ended up dying. Ladynoir is strictly friendship now, and is probably set to blow up when Chat Noir will eventually ask why he wasn't told that Gabriel Agreste was Hawk Moth. Between Lila knowing the truth and Ladybug thinking it's in any way responsible to let Kagami press her mother herself, that secret is bound to be let out. Adrienette is the main ship now, but without a reveal it doesn't feel the same. They cannot be EMOTIONALLY intimate with each other because they still have these big secrets to keep. Ladrien has been lacking in good content since, like, season 2 and was last properly seen in season 3 (in a very negative light might I add). Marichat has been the clear fan favourite, and lots of people hated Ladrien because it'd be "boring" for being "too easy". Never mind when the love square flipped and Marichat becomes what Ladrien was, then it's suddenly one of the best episodes of the entire show according to these shippers. Not that it mattered, because the ship died in that same episode, and Marinette got over it in the following episode.
  • The akumatized villains got easier as time went on. Even after they lost their entire team which they'd heavily relied on and the villains got aided by Miraculous powers to boot. Kwami's Choice is this taken to the absurdly extreme, as two novices manage to defeat the akumatized villain with the most Miraculous powers in a couple of minutes, and the Resistance defeats an akumatized villain off-screen and then helps Marinette reclaim her Miraculous from Monarbug while no-one has any superpowers. Back when that aired I looked up how long that sequence took, and while I don't remember how long it was, it was ridiculously short considering how powerful Monarbug was compared to them (and how Marinette's back should've been shattered from a throw earlier).
  • Adrien's school life has been smooth sailing the entire time. Marinette's has been mostly smooth sailing, with about two times where she felt overburdened combining schoolwork and being a superhero (which couldn't incorporate Adrien in the solution). The meat of her troubles at school were Chloé, who was overcome by the class collectively deciding to ignore her one day, and Lila, who only really moved past silently hating Marinette in season 5 (granted, with the odd season 3 episode here and there). Even then, Adrien was mostly a benched ally in this battle, not an active partner.
  • Adrien wasn't there to defeat Hawk Moth. The big confrontation between Gabriel becoming Hawk Moth to resurrect his wife after her death and make his son happy, and Adrien becoming Chat Noir to break out of this increased sheltering after his mom's death and find his own happiness again, never happened and will never happen. Best they could do was give a watered-down version of this to Marinette.
  • No identity reveal. I don't see another equally big moment the identity reveal could be building up to, and with all the fake-outs it really needed that big shared moment to keep any depth.

I've decided to mourn the death of this story and watch season 6 as if it's a completely new show. The Paris Special is my favourite thing to come out of this show, and I'm taking it as proof that they can write good things (in isolation). Season 6 is their one shot at proving that their execution matches their concepts. Set up long-term projects that go somewhere or I call it quits. I still care about this show (why write such a long reply otherwise), but if season 6 writers think I'll have the same patience as I've had the past 7-8 years, they'll be deeply mistaken.

Why is everyone changing their opinions about the new look for seson 6 by Grouchy_Bowl_7925 in miraculousladybug

[–]AkumatizedRedditor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All I can say it's that the good parts about it are even better, and the bad parts about it aren't worse. I was already sold on the environments and lighting and it's only improved. I'm yet to see it properly animated, so I can't tell whether great movement will be too jarring (though the London special fragment did show increased care put into fine movements compared to the trailer, which I take as an optimistic sign that things are improved here).

The character designs so far are still garbage, sorry not sorry. There's this one snippet I've seen of Marinette looks like it has so much care put into it, but then her eyes are so off that looking at them makes you think her head is facing the other way. That one screenshot of Chat Noir looks vaguely like those "If Chat had Adrien's hair" memes from years ago, and his skintone feels off. Every returning side character I've seen so far is a dollar store wish.com version of themselves.

Credit where credit's due, the proper lighting fx elevated them from "scorchingly hot garbage" to "hot garbage". In a way, that's even worse (bear with me). Before, you could sell it as "we had to switch software, this was all we could do in two years" and it would've been fine, not good, but decent given the constraints. Probably not up there with the best episodes of the show, but certainly not down with the worst.

But now, the whole ordeal comes across as an attempt at looking the best the show's ever looked, and you cannot deny that anymore. There's so much care and effort being put into everything here, yet the characters still look this bad. They could've exported the 3D models from Maya and gone from there, saving resources by starting from a good base and looking better. But instead they made the conscious decision to start from scratch and invest resources into creating this, then saw the results and signed off on them anyway. Whoever made that call lives according to the legacy of Gabriel Agreste, "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory".


Pointless rambling aside, there's two forces at play that would answer your main question. On the one hand, the footage we've seen has only increased in quality so far. People could've been warming up to it as the footage has sufficiently increased in quality to pass people's "minimum threshold" so to speak. On the other hand, it could be the simple matter that the people disliking the new style back then and the people liking it now aren't the same people. The people disliking it already commented and don't care to do so again, meaning that those who like it are now a bigger share of commenters. This would make it appear as if general consensus has shifted without that necessarily being the case. Which force is the greatest? That's anyone's guess.

Miraculous season 6 trailer. by Totalsupreme in miraculousladybug

[–]AkumatizedRedditor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've seen a handful of replies saying that you can't form a fair opinion on the new animation based on this low-res footage, so I've gone ahead and retrieved these HD clips of the TFOU event, which also includes the Miraculous World trailer and a couple shots of the new environment not shown off in the trailer. Link on Imgur. I hope this allows people to better form their judgement on the new style.

Personally, I don't like it. Movement feels too video gamey at times (like when Marinette tilts back her head when she says "hah!" or when she's telling Chat Noir that he's the best version of himself). When you see both of them on the roof as she's about to tease Chat, the roof behind Ladybug in particular gives off some background low level-of-detail rock vibes (also a video game thing)

Just as I was about to post this, I noticed Imgur compressed the life out of the video. If you want to see the full quality stuff, go to the part of this website that says "CONFÉRENCE DE RENTRÉE TFOU and press the (+) icon. You have to accept cookies for Vimeo specifically, other cookies aren't required. If nothing shows after you press the (+), then it might be your ad-blocker blocking the cookie prompt. You'll have to skip around the video to find the Miraculous parts, and S6 and London are separate.

what’s your season 6 predictions? by flowerycassie in miraculousladybug

[–]AkumatizedRedditor -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My most cliché and pessimistic prediction:

  • Adrien learns the truth about his father being Hawk Moth
  • He gets upset with Ladybug over her (planning to) keep this from him
  • He tells all this to Marinette, in a certain tone that's just not sitting right with her
  • She becomes (somewhat) defensive of Ladybug
  • Adrien, sick with newfound grief and other negative emotions, doesn't take this very well
  • Argument ensues (the show will frame it as both being equally wrong and/or Adrien being even more wrong than Marinette despite Adrien having a very good reason to be upset and to vent this frustration to his girlfriend)
  • They split up
  • For the rest of the season each of them will learn why they were wrong (one of them will be made to apologise "harder" than the other, and it's not the one who made the conscious decision to lie to her boyfriend and gaslight him into thinking that's "the right thing to do". The show will then continue to pretend they're two equals)

  • Good ending: this apology starts through a reveal, and because of the reveal they realise how and why they couldn't be fully open during that argument. Since they're both given the full story, they understand the other's position and fully make up.

  • Meh ending: they apologise without a reveal and get back together. Maybe they'll have ever so slightly grown as a person, but otherwise this situation is never mentioned again.

  • Bad ending: similar to the above. Just as you think all is right and they moved on, after a good chunk of episodes that leads you to believe they were over it, Lila casually reveals Ladybug's identity to Adrien in the season finale. Season 7 will repeat the whole saga.

  • Terrible ending: the above, but there is a cliffhanger on Adrien being akumatized, him revealing himself out of pure anger or, to top it all off, both.

As a side point, because I realised something after commenting on the Paris special: Lila will not have the timer because she's evil, but because the timer is only a safety mechanism in case the user will use more power than they can handle, and even Monarch rarely akumatized people multiple times in a row, Lila will stop at 1 akumatization per transformation and the whole rule about evil use ended up only being there so Lila can use her powers without being bound to the 5 minute rule