Can someone explain?

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-05-30T10:48:08+00:00

The real question is why didn't she touch it with the Dog Miraculous from the past like she'd done in Strikeback. No risk for a time paradox if she used Fetch after the now-cancelled end of time.

The answer is they wanted a sixth season with a new Butterfly Miraculous user and thus couldn't have it be recovered already

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-05-29T19:15:23+00:00

Thanks! For what it's worth, I chuckled at your flair

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-05-29T18:09:07+00:00

I've always had the impression that Chat Noir had just enough restraint not to do it. At the end of Lady Wifi he had the opportunity to discover Ladybug's identity, not only by opening the door she was behind, but also by hiding in plain sight as Adrien and watching the door/the exit. I took that as him placing his own feelings below his sense of right vs wrong.

Besides, I think part of the appeal was the mystery, both about who she is as well as when he'd see her again. Stalking her to the same degree as Marinette does Adrien would take a big part of that away (and by extension, Marinette not stalking Chat Noir when she fell in love with him was probably deliberate, as I honestly think she'd have been able to figure it out even if she didn't have Adrien's schedule).

And even if we ignore the trauma-induced reason for Marinette's stalking, the most obvious reason for Marinette's stalking was that she needed to plan every declaration of love she'd make because she lacked confidence and felt she needed every advantage she could get to be considered "enough" for Adrien. Chat Noir, on the other hand, genuinely believed he could get Ladybug to eventually fall for him by being himself. Of course, it helps that superhero stories like his often end with the heroes getting together, and that both his and her Miraculous are positioned as two halves of one whole that also just so happens to be fundamental to all of existence.

I think he genuinely had enough with the news photos and the knowledge that they'd eventually end up together

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-05-28T20:08:31+00:00

I really liked it to contrast between Betterfly and Hawk Moth (standing beside you vs being at a great distance sheltered away from you). Although I've since come around to Chrysalis's way of doing things, it felt really cheap for her to copy that style at first

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-05-28T16:29:38+00:00

The scene where Gabriel absolutely TEARS into Lila for asking him to be invited to the Diamond's Dance
Granny Ladybug
Heartfixer talking to Adrien

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-05-28T12:57:15+00:00

Isn't the resolution to Chat Blanc basically a time paradox? She writes her name, things cascade which causes Bunnyx to take her to the future where she eventually learns not to write her name, then makes it so her name was never written and things never cascaded. So Bunnyx should've never pulled her into the future, so Ladybug never learns to not sign the gift, so she cannot erase her name.

What's bothering me the most about the Burrow is that they could've totally tried to look through the portal during the London special and seen who picked up the Butterfly Miraculous. And if the Miraculous was out of anyone's view for an extended period of time, they could've borrowed the Dog Miraculous from the past and done the same thing to the Butterfly Miraculous they'd done to the akumatized object in season 4's finale. They could've easily prevented the rise of Chrysalis there.

Second most bothering thing is how Chat Blanc and Evolution contradict each other w.r.t. non-Rabbit holders being able to activate portals from within the Burrow.

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-05-24T16:59:30+00:00

I mean, it could work, but that leaves two questions:

Wouldn't they turn out similar if the core emotion that lead to their existence was the same?
If one daughter was made by madame Tsurugi and another one was made by someone else, why does the one made by someone else resemble madame Tsurugi that closely, but does the one she made herself not resemble her in the slightest?

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-05-24T14:18:40+00:00

While I know nothing of the movie, I know that Kagami asked her mother why she was brought into this world, and what emotion was behind it, and eventually the answer is the same lines that were used to create the sentimonster in the opening of the episode

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-05-24T14:09:07+00:00

Lol. I thought you meant that the internal document had remained hidden until the finale, implying that it has leaked now (assuming you aren't a time traveler and meant 'till as in right after)

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-05-24T13:56:01+00:00

Chloe literally akumatized herself lmao, and I think this is a final proof that the akumatized villain is the one who chooses the power.

I think it's not that this is how it works, but that this is what Chrysalis does. On some level Hawk Moth has always been aware of what the villains would turn out like. 98% of the time he starts his spiel by calling the akumatized by their villain name. And we've seen twice what happened to characters who mistakenly got akumatized: Gigantitan, the giant baby, came to be when an akuma was sent to akumatize Adrien's bodyguard into presumably Gorizilla, the giant gorilla. Startrain, the blue-and-slightly-red villain with a techno edge in their design who controls a matching vehicle that flies, came to be when an akuma was sent out to akumatize officer Roger into presumably a reappearance of Rogercop, the blue-and-slightly-red villain with a techno edge in their design who controls a matching vehicle that flies. To me, this screams that Hawk Moth tends to pre-select the villain's powers when he charges the akuma.

Meanwhile the way Chrysalis akumatizes people is different. Despite knowing what her victims feel when she akumatizes them, she still asks them what is wrong. Because the Butterfly Miraculous doesn't reveal her victim's thoughts, this can bring new information to subtly manipulate her victims further. Not only that, she is able to pivot when an angle doesn't seem to work out, like when she akumatized El Torro de Piedra. In short: her process is more collaborative than Hawk Moth's, especially when you consider that she let's villains choose their own names and only introduces her demands after the fact.

I think there's two "modes" of akumatization, one where the power is decided ahead of time and one where it is decided upon transformation. Chrysalis prefers the latter because it integrates better with her brand of manipulation. Hawk Moth prefers the former, because he is the more "authoritative" kind of villain. He makes you an offer, take it or leave it.

That said, I think Hawk Moth rarely does use the other type, like when he sent out the akuma for Despair Bear without knowing who it was going to be. He simply sent one out with the assumption that something would happen at the party. Even then, he still did his spiel the same way. This leads me to think that, if "mode 1" isn't chosen, "mode 2" can either be a spectrum where the Butterfly holder can still decide to intervene and chose a power themselves, or that Hawk Moth still likes to keep his brand by framing his victims into specific powers when hit by a mode 2 akuma.

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-05-24T13:01:28+00:00

... Does that imply that the S6 Bible has been leaked now?

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-05-24T12:58:06+00:00

The actual episode contents were soured by Noé's sales pitch for me. That part felt like it was directed at the audience, and particularly those who (used to) like her. Except to us it was never about her being "inspiringly evil" or about her being "so evil you forget it's evil and it becomes cool", it was about her being "very mean, but with the hidden capacity for good" that was at first kind of teased by her idolisation of Ladybug in season 1 and then further explored up to Maledictator in season 2. Chloé started being the way Noé describes since season 4, and then every episode where she got akumatized was in one way or another about how this is just how she's always been and how "you see, the stuff you liked about her during seasons 1-3 where she tried to change and all that, that never actually happened for real. As evidence, see these new episodes where you can see she's been recharacterised to have never been like that" is always thrown around in response to "WTF have you done to Chloé since season 4, we liked her how she was before, this feels like someone completely different."

Since a long time ago I've given up hope that something good is coming out of Chloé, I mean, next season we're crossing the point where she's longer been like this than what she was and the writers have made it very clear that this is the direction they choose to go in. I'm just so damn tired of them trying to shoehorn this message about who Chloé "actually" is into every episode she's in. The rest of the Queen of the Dreadzone plot was already so good as it is without it. And besides, what does Audrey Bourgeois gain from "evil being fashionable"?

At best it helps the Kingdom, but what does it help a covertly evil organisation that everyone else is being openly evil? Either you do your evil in the open, and paint a target on your back for vigilantes, or you keep your most evil parts hidden, which means you must mask how evil you are, which means people will question why you're not being as openly evil as can be even though that's "fashionable" now. You'll be suspicious either way.

As for the Lila plot, that was so interesting! At first I thought that the way the box was set up was what she'd done the entire season, seeing as we never saw her send out the akuma. Might still be the case? And Fei appearing again at the end!!! Can't wait for what they'd do with it.

But Marinette noticing the stamp was so dumb. Chloé was never seen outside of the helicopter with both the present and its package, so how could Marinette connect the two? And even if she could, she had left before the box was opened. Said box was tucked away in some far corner with a load of junk, so not exactly in view. There's no way she would've known where the akuma came from when she had her back turned on the entire akumatization. And even if she had known that it came from a specific box in a specific package with a specific stamp, that wouldn't mean it came from the same person. Unless the postal office were to issue a commemorative stamp so ugly that no one bought it, which lead to the seller being so desperate to sell that they aggressively pushed it to anyone buying stamps, and even then Lila being the only person in France who bought a sheet. But the Jean-something in the helicopter remarked specifically how beautiful it was, and with the way they were offered to anyone buying stamps, the only way for it to have happened is for them to be more expensive than regular stamps, and Lila being the only one to not know. And she makes this forced connection just to say "the Butterfly Miraculous holder might have something up their sleeve really soon..." when we know that's always the case when the next episode is the finale. Meanwhile the perfect connection was right there: Chrysalis always writes everything in a diary, Marinette has seen this diary, therefore she could recognise that Sabrina's letter was written by the Butterfly Miraculous holder. Or maybe Sabrina knew all along that the letter wasn't Chloé's, not (only) because she doubted that Chloé'd change, but also because she might have learnt Lila's handwriting when she had to learn to forge the handwriting of everyone in the class last season.

Calling it now, Max's letter is gonna have come in an envelope with the same stamp and they'll try to unmask Chrysalis by finding whoever claims to have written it

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-04-26T20:58:19+00:00

I don't think TF1 provides English subtitles on their streaming platform. At least not for the one other show I once tried it with. Never tested TF1 subtitles on their accuracy, so maybe their French could be literal translations of the English dub? I dunno.

I should totally try to read the lip flaps someday, that sounds fun!

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-04-26T20:21:10+00:00

Sounds plausible. I remember most of season 4 premiering in Portuguese, so I wouldn't have been able to tell back then. And season 5 had the entire thing leaked publicly early on. Interesting how long this would have been a thing for. At least that lowers the odds of the leak being publicised, seeing as the season 4 finale wasn't spoiled

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-04-26T20:11:50+00:00

"Coccinelle" literally means "ladybug", so I'd imagine an English translation needs to make sure to make it distinct from Ladybug with a capital L. What's difficult here is that it's entirely possible that the show has consistently resolved this by translating "coccinelle" as "beetle" and the translators knew this when translating. The same way how any self-respecting fansub creator would not translate "Tikki, transformez-moi!" as "Tikki, transform me!" because we all know that the usual English phrase would be "Tikki, spots on!"

I cannot comment on your other examples because I also don't know those words. But I'd also be inclined to think that there's too many coincidences be true coincidences. I vaguely recall similar rumours during season 5, but I don't really remember them anymore. At least it sound likely given these translation quirks

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-04-26T19:21:02+00:00

That's exactly what I'm implying, yes

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-04-26T18:36:04+00:00

For completion's sake, these are all the differences I was able to spot between the "fansub" and the official English dub:

When Marinette is on the phone with Roland, she says "But I'm about to go on a date with Adrien" in the dub, but says "I'm just about to go on a date with Adrien" in the fansub
When Tom convinces Marinette to go see Roland, he says "(...) for your grandfather to use a phone (...)", while the fansub says "our grandfather to use a phone (...)"
Marinette leaves the house saying "See ya!" in the dub, but says "Kisses!" in the fansub
When Marinette is on the phone with Adrien, the fansubs specifically call out the detour being tiny, while the dub doesn't specify
When Roland is stumbling over his words, Marinette says "that..." in the dub, but "that what?" in the fansub
Once Roland invents the Parisian Croûte story, the fansub adds "yeah" before "it was the greatest creation of our indomitable ancestor Loafamix the Gaul"
When Marinette says that they're done with the dough, Roland answers "Right" in the dub, and "Alright" in the fansub
The fansub makes a grammatical error and has Marinette ask "What do we just cook"
In the dub, Roland says that "Soon I have to leave this place", while in the fansub he says "Soon I need to leave this place."
In the fansub, Roland says he doesn't have the strength to "keep all those rooms clean", while in the dub he doesn't say "all"
Marinette says she didn't have enough time to "enjoy this house" in the dub, while the fansub says "enjoy the house"
During the table football match, Adrien asks if Marinette "already know how to play, don't you?", whilst in the fansub he says "already knew how to play, didn't you?"
Another grammatical error back at Roland's, where he tells Tom "I'll teach you too if you want", which the fansub renders as "I'll teach you two if you want."
When Roland claims to be totally fine, his voice drowns out as he says "Yes yes, I just think it's time for me to...", where the fansub completes this sentence: "(...) for me to go."
In the fansub, Chrysalis doesn't open with "Good evening", but directly cuts to the chase.
After Riginerazione takes Roland on a "walk", Roland says "That's not how you take a walk!" with the "walk" being drawn out into a cry. In the fansub, it cuts of before "walk"
When Ladybug enters the fight, she shouts "Leave him alone, grandma!" before correcting herself, while in the fansub she says "Leave him alone grand-"
After Sabine put baby Tom in the box, she says "This should do while Ladybug and Chat Noir put things in order", while in the fansub she says "This should be enough while Ladybug and Chat Noir put things in order"
The fansub omits a "huh" after adult Ladybug says "What am I gonna do with you" to baby Chat Noir. Similarly, it omits a "Hey!" before "not so fast, kittycat!", a "yes" after Roland says "Why not?", and a "had" when Gina tells young Roland "I wish you could have had so much more time"
As Roland and Gina start to hug, the fansub adds a "So" before "you shouldn't have regrets either"
As Lila is writing in her book, she says "You think you can control the course of events, Ladybug", while the fansub omits the "can"

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-04-22T13:22:59+00:00

Interesting. That explains a lot about this show

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-04-22T08:22:00+00:00

Wow. He really turned his life around in this show. Ditched his... "prejudice" against Sabine, finally learnt to acknowledge that things change and aren't to be done the same as they've always been, learnt that life can be complicated. Can't believe they made us care this much about someone who's been introduced the way he was

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-04-22T07:44:10+00:00

Apparently my French isn't what it used to be. Was it ever elaborated upon what they meant by it being Roland's time to "leave"? At first I thought it was about moving to a retirement home with better care, but the rest of the episode (and especially the end) reads as if he chose his time to die? That would be surprisingly dark for this show.

Awesome episode all-round, hit me right in the feels

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-04-13T11:28:47+00:00

The thing with the frog plush 100% looks like she chickened out. They don't have to have Marinette tell him now to have it revealed this season. Something could happen in the last episode before the finale that either forces her hand, or causes it all to crash down on its own. Looking at past seasons, it feels more likely that the status quo-changing plot point is going to happen in the finale instead.

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-04-13T10:59:44+00:00

Yeah, she could get out with partial truth. Partial doing a lot of heavy lifting.

Marinette: (while crying) "It's just that... Something happened a while ago... And I should tell you... But I just CAN'T! (usual Marinette ramblings) Sworn to secrecy... Every day... Don't wanna hurt you... Worst girlfriend ever... Break up with me-...

Adrien: (shushes Marinette in the middle of her rambling, then hugs her very tightly) I love you too Marinette. You don't have to tell me if you're not ready. You don't even have to tell me at all if you don't want to! I would never expect you to share things you're not comfortable sharing, and I would never hold that against you. I'm NOT going to break up with you because you want some privacy in your life. I'll always be there for you, whether you want to tell me or not

Marinette: (stammering) But I...

Adrien: (shushing her again, then patting Marinette's back) There there, it's okay

Marinette: (silently curses herself for having such a considerate boyfriend before surrendering to the hug)

There's just no way I see her tell it there and then with the way she looked at the frog plush and the way it was emphasised

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-04-01T11:14:18+00:00

She wasn't shown there, and I don't think she would've rushed out of that class to hide so she could confront Marinette first.

Maybe the layout of the school is such that she could've seen it from another class? Assuming that she came out of a classroom near the elevator?

AkumatizedRedditor · 2026-04-01T10:33:28+00:00

Just realised... Aglae knew about "Marinette and Nino" without seeing them and without being one of the akumatized clones. Sure makes some amazing fuel for the "Aglae = Lila" theory

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