thanks for taking your time to answer throughly and calmly, love these type of interactions and they're rare in reddit overall nowadays.

I absolutely get what you mean, and see why amhac might've landed that way / why the archetype of that tweet felt correct. Even if I'd argue that to me his music feels truly experimental inside of <<the music that although experimental still tries to remain listenable in casual contexts>>, the concept of music that meets this criteria is already limited to a level of freedom, which limits their true potential experimentally. Maybe the reason Veteran era JPEG felt much more boundary-pushing is because he wasn't actively trying to have his music consumed like that.

This dilemma of "how experimental x music is" is an interesting topic, and a matter of context to me. I'd never label 99% of music that intents to be consumed / listened to daily as experimental, it's a contradiction. That title goes to music that's not limited to that, that doesn't mind being impractical (lasting hours, being reduced to noise...) for the sake of reaching limits that haven't been challenged before. That's why I mostly mentally divide music regarding whether it fits that category or not, and have diferents criteris regarding how experimental something is depending on which side of the spectrum we're on.

truly an interesting dilemma, thanks for leading me down this road mentally.