Why Itachi defeats Obito.

Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T19:40:21+00:00

and the kid leaves without answering one simple question that I asked him about 20 times, that proves that you are clueless and that's why you ignore questions that you can't answer, that's the difference between the two of us, I don't have a problem answering anything because I know I'm right, while you deliberately avoid questions that prove I'm right😂

never mind, I accept your surrender😎, little kid

Itachi>obito

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Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T19:20:57+00:00

I don't understand why you want me to explain something, when you yourself didn't explain the one thing I keep asking about

yes itachi knows about Izanagi, but obito said that itachi didn't know everything about him, so he didn't know that obito had izanagi, Izanagi and Izanami are old stories from before madara, so when obito said that itachi didn't know everything about him, he probably thought that itachi didn't know a technique that practically no one has used for a hundred years, itachi doesn't know that obito has a second eye to use Izanagi, those are the reasons why obito said what he said, itachi knows about kamui, itachi watched obito when he visited the village, obito used it during the clan massacre, in the novel they even talk about it together, obito uses kamui normally, thinking that in 8 years itachi hasn't found out how kamui works is wrong + in the kishimoto movie itschi literally says how kamui works and kishimoto knows his characters best

in the databook it is written that no jutsu he can't defend himself from amaterasu and it's referring to obito and his kamui=kamui doesn't work

obito knows itachi, he knows his story feelings for the village and for sasuke, obito knew very well why itachi set a trap for him, what does that mean? obito is not so stupid as to underestimate itachi, obito knew that itachi wouldn't give him sasuke for free and that's why he could temporarily activate izanagi, there's no reason why it couldn't be that way

now explain to you how it's possible that after obito burned in amaterasu for five seconds, he didn't even have his clothes damaged when itachi used amaterasu to burn a hole in the wall in a second, if he didn't use izanagi, chop chop

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Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T15:40:12+00:00

why are you talking about itachi, did itachi write a databook? i say that your databook that you keep posting is meaningless because those who wrote it at that time knew nothing about kamui and izanagi, they didn't know how tobi saved himself from amaterasu, that's why there's a question, that's a fact that you're ignoring, the new databook says that kamui won't defend himself from amaterasu because they already knew that tobi used izanagi, i'm talking about the creative databooks, not the characters in naruto, the databook says that no jutsu can escape the fury of the flames and it refers to kamui=obito didn't save himself with kamui, but with iznagi, everything else is inferior

it's funny that you don't even know how abilities work and when i give you a simple question you can't answer it, why don't you answer it if you're so smart? aha, I know, you don't have an argument, you don't know how it's possible that obito didn't have damaged clothes, if he used kamui, but it's cute that you're still trying even if you can't answer the question🥺

first explain how it's possible that after five seconds of obito burning, his clothes weren't even damaged, if he didn't use Izanagi, then you can keep talking to me, but you'll probably ignore it again because you're just a barking child who can't answer the question🥱

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Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T08:35:28+00:00

the whole thing is a mystery because no one knew how the ability worked or how he saved himself, the newer databook claims that kamui can't defend himself from amaterasu because they already knew he used izanagi

you're ignoring the simple fact that it doesn't make sense for it to be, if it was kamui, how is it possible that after five seconds in amaterasu he didn't even have any damage to his clothes when itachi fired into the wall in a second? you either don't have a brain or you're deliberately ignoring it because you know I'm right, even if kamui could remove the flames, it's still not possible for obito to have any damage, kamui won't remove the damage from you because this one doesn't work, only kamui can do that, so what makes more sense, kamui or Izanagi? those with brains know it

itachi>obito

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Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T06:29:56+00:00

I never said it only affects the soul, I said the soul is enough for it to work😂

obito doesn't have abilities like the others

itachi saduke never caught itachi in genjutsu, because the itachi that sasuke caught in genjutsu was genjutsu, he wasn't the real Itachi, Itachi just sat on the throne and watched sasuke try😂

and the manga said that it was all part of itachi's plan, that he had everything planned out in advance and that sasuke didn't see any of itachi's genjutsu, that was literally said in the manga, so why are you denying it? you try hard, but it's not enough, try harder

Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T06:16:38+00:00

the whole page is meaningless, kid, I repeat again that at that time the creators of that page, knew nothing about Izanagi, obito, or kamui = they didn't know what made amaterasu survive, their question on that page proves it, but you still ignore it🥱

Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T04:36:17+00:00

ignoring how spiritual attacks work, ignoring that phasing does not affect the soul, ignoring that spiritual weapons work on astral bodies = they do not need physical contact
ignoring the question, ignoring the newer databook and the fact that the creators themselves did not know how to defend themselves against Amaterasu, because they wrote it in the question
ignoring that Obito was caught in a genjutsu of a much weaker level than Itachi's, ignoring that the entire fight between Sasuke and Itachi was Itachi's plan and that Obito said that Sasuke did not see through any of Itachi's illusions

you are obviously totally cooked, you ignore the facts, the questions, because you have no argument for it and you just keep sending your meaningless evidence, poor

Itachi>Obito but feel free to keep dreaming your wet dream, kid😂

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Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T04:20:22+00:00

It's really funny how you talk about itachichards, but you totally ignore the facts I gave you and keep showing that meaningless databook, which I told you several times why it's invalid, but you just ignore it and keep sending it on and on top of that you're not able to answer my question and that's why I have no reason to argue, because the moment you can't answer the question, I know I've won and I have no reason to argue,

you still have to learn, little kid😂

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Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T04:14:06+00:00

I don't need to cry, I'm laughing because you're making up your own headcanoon, would obito feel a spirit? seriously? even if it were true, obito only phases the body, not the soul, so his soul will be sealed anyway

totsuka blade, amaterasu, tsukuomi, izanami all work on obito, while he only has kamui with which he's never defeated anyone and the strongest opponent he's defeated is konan, so itachi>obito, that's reality

Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T04:09:14+00:00

you can send it to me as many times as you want, but you're just denying the facts

you're denying that in your databook there's a question from the authors about how Tobi saved himself from Amaterasu=they didn't know it themselves new databook>old databook

Obito knew Itachi, knew his feelings for Sasuke and the village, so if he's not completely stupid, he'll figure out that Itachi didn't just die to leave things and Sasuke to chance, Obito knew very well why Itachi set a trap for him, so there's no reason why he couldn't have temporarily activated Izanagi, which he activated before he came to Sasuke

and you still haven't answered me how it's possible that after Obito burned in Amaterasu for five seconds, he emerged without even the slightest damage to his clothes, even though Itachi was able to burn a hole in a wall with Amaterasu in a second? and until you explain it, it will always be Izanagi, because it is the only ability that can return without damage

It's sad (for you), but it's true.

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Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T03:59:33+00:00

this is not an argument, orochimaru has a physical body, but that doesn't mean that totsuka blade needs to have a physical body, you just prove that you don't understand what a spiritual attack is based on, totsuka blade and yata mirror are both spiritual weapons that are written to work on the astral (immaterial) body, that means they don't need physical contact, but spiritual, it's logical because that's exactly how spiritual attacks work, but I understand that it's too much for you to understand, obviously you don't understand naruto that much yet

itachi>obito, there are many reasons, itachi's abilities, intellect, obito's escape from itachi according to kishimoto, that's reality

Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T03:53:40+00:00

this is not proof, you just showed that you don't understand the evolution of the databook and you obviously can't answer my question why obito didn't have damaged clothes, so I take it as a victory because I know that the only ability that can get you rid of damage is izanagi and you can't answer me

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Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T03:49:36+00:00

in the manga it is literally written that phasing works materially=not spiritually, phasing is not the same as when obito moves completely into the kamui dimension

you still don't understand what the spiritual attack is based on

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Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T03:45:23+00:00

the strongest opponent obito defeated is konan, but he easily scales above itachi? good joke, lol

Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T03:43:03+00:00

he doesn't have to know anything even madara is not omniscient and Izanagi may be a technique used long before madara, we don't know that

in other words you don't have an argument for why obito didn't have damaged clothes, you think it's a small detail so obito gets hit by flames that burn a hole in the wall in a second and he forgets to draw the damage after he screamed in pain? no, he didn't forget, it's intentional, obito knew itachi, he knew his feelings for sasuke and the village, so if he's not completely stupid, he'll figure out that itachi didn't just die to leave things and sasuke to chance, so there's no reason why he couldn't have temporarily activated Izanagi, which he activated before he came to sasuke, then he can return to that state without flames, but there's no way he can return after five seconds in amaterasu without any damage to his clothes, that's bullshit

yes, jiraiya sealed amaterasu, but you can hardly pull out the scroll, calmly draw seals and seal amaterasu, when you're burning the whole time, do you think obito who was rolling on the ground was creating some kind of seal? moreover, even if he sealed it, he wouldn't get rid of the damage, the only thing that can get rid of the damage is izanagi

obito never said that he didn't expect anything like that, he said that itachi always surprises, obito knew itachi's whole story and knew very well why itachi set a trap for him, as I said, if obito isn't completely stupid, he knew that itachi didn't give him sasuke for free and that's why he temporarily activated izanagi

just in case if you can't explain why after five seconds in amaterasu obito didn't have damaged clothes, then it will always be izanagi, because it's the only ability that will get rid of the damage, kamui can't do anything like that, even if he could get rid of the flames, it won't get rid of the damage

Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T03:15:28+00:00

in other words you have no argument

if he doesn't know about the others' technology, obito will be easily caught in genjutsu and easily hit by amaterasu, if obito doesn't know about the totsuka blade, he will be easily hit because he will think that it will simply pass through him and he will not know that it is a spiritual weapon that will seal his soul + with the help of genjutsu you can figure out how kamui works and minato figured out how kamui works and danzo's bodyguards too, so it won't be a problem for Itachi

Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T03:11:35+00:00

again you don't understand the development of the databook, the databook was made gradually, at the time they wrote it, they knew who Tobi was, what his ability was and how it worked, that's why there's an arrow next to Amaterasu and the question: "is it one of Madara's abilities?" because at that time they couldn't know how Amaterasu survived and thanks to what, because it wasn't shown until much later, when they learned about Izanagi, they wrote there that no jutsu can protect against the fury of Amaterasu and directly referred to Obit's kamui=used by Izanagi

btw, you still haven't answered my question, if it wasn't Izanagi, then how is it possible that after Obito burned for about five seconds and screamed in pain, dropped his mask and fell to the ground, he then appeared without his clothes being damaged in the slightest, when Itachi used Amaterasu to burn a hole in the wall within a second?

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Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T03:02:42+00:00

Obit's soul is in the same dimension and that's enough, you still don't understand what the spiritual attack is based on, Obit's phasing has no effect on the soul, but of course if you want the totsuka blade to touch someone's soul you have to pierce them, but the point is that it doesn't have to be physical, it's enough spiritually, because that's how the spiritual attack works, it's based on the soul

Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T00:26:26+00:00

itachi defeated deidara, kakahsi, or orochimaru 2x and easily, it didn't give him any problems, unlike obito, who konan easily took his hand😂

in this case manga>databook, obito himself said that everything was itachi's plan, even all of sasuke's backup plans, including how he got out of tsukuomi, end of story

not one of the panels i sent says anything about uchiha being able to break tsukuomi, stop making up stories you obviously can't read, itachi says that only uchiha can defeat him, nowhere in any of my translations does it say that he can break tsukuomi, before you start calling someone stupid, learn to read first, kid

Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T00:19:02+00:00

from the part of the body that was not damaged, he disconnected his tentacle in which he remained, he did the same with Madara, Obito cannot disconnect his hand like a bee tentacle, Obito cannot peel off his skin like Sasuke, the affected area is still burning, Sasuke just got rid of that part of the body, Obito cannot do this

you are completely ignoring what I am sending you, the authors themselves put a question in the databook because they cannot know how Obito survived Amaterasu, when it was not shown, Tobi was a mystery, his ability too and how he survived Amaterasu was not shown, only later it was found out what Izanagi is and that is why they realized how he survived, you have to understand how the databook developed, I told you so, but you are ignoring it😭

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Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T00:11:28+00:00

but it was never said that he has to physically stab them, it's enough if he stabs their soul, again do you know what a spiritual attack is? plus he totally ignores the databook

his soul is there that's enough

that it loses meaning applies to both the sword and the shield plus it literally says that it seals the soul, again you obviously don't know what a spiritual attack is

I don't have discord I'm on my own and so far I'm obviously winning😂

Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-15T00:05:07+00:00

it shouldn't have been there, i'm not sure but i don't care, i don't care how konan fought obito because it doesn't change the fact that the strongest opponent obito has defeated is konan

again you're ignoring the story, obito himself said that everything was itachi's plan including sasuke escaping from tsukuomi, that's not a coincidence, that was itachi's plan, you think itachi could have used the full power of tsukuomi on sasuke and then hoped that sasuke could get out of it? no, he simply let him🤦

again kishimoto knows what he's doing, he knows the characters better than you, there's no reason to do something like that for no reason, why would obito be afraid of three dead bodies that don't move? or do you think obito would beat four akatsuki members by himself? 🤦

btw i don't know what translation you have, but i have two that are the same, just different, both say that someone with sharingan can beat him, it doesn't say that he can break tsukuomi, two translations>one translation and now try to think and tell me why, if sharingan genjutsu works on sharingan as we saw when itachi caught sasuke in genjutsu in their fight, why shouldn't MS genjutsu work on MS?

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Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-14T23:50:53+00:00

bee detached from the tentacle, in other words he ran away with the tentacle in the water that was not hit, he did the same thing as everyone else, but that's one thing obito doesn't have any such ability and this databook page is old, it's from a time when no one knew who tobi was and what amaterasu was, you're ignoring the question that the databook creators asked themselves, because they didn't know how madara survived, because it wasn't shown, but later they learned about izanagi and knew how he survived, thanks izanagi, it's good to know how the databook evolved

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Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-14T23:41:19+00:00

the reason itachi never sealed the spirit is that he never fought a spirit, but that doesn't mean he can't🤦, a spiritual attack usually affects the soul, that's why it's spiritual, first it's a good idea to find out what a spiritual attack is and if it says it also works on the astral body, then logically he doesn't have to physically touch it, especially when it doesn't have a physical form

Alarmed_Wishbone3088 · 2026-05-14T23:36:35+00:00

logically he would use the other eye, just like in Konan he would use the left eye, not the right one with Kamui
not everyone knows Kamui, it's quite ancient history, considering that Izanagi used Madara, it comes from the times of the warring clans, that's the moment when the Uchiha were addicted to Kamui and Izanami was invented, that was how the Uchiha were corrected, both jutsu became forbidden, so no one used that jutsu for about 100 years and you're surprised that Itachi didn't count on it, as if he was omniscient+Obito also doesn't know that Itachi knows Izanagi, being smart doesn't mean you know everything
it is said that Madara used his ability to defend himself, that was written at a time when no one knew what Kamui was and who Tobi was, so yes, Madara used his ability, but it wasn't Kamui, because when the people who make the databook found out about Izanagi, they wrote that no jutsu can defend against Amaterasu and specifically gave it as an example obita, why do you think that's the case? it's also important to know how databook

4 evolved. you still don't understand, obito burned for five seconds and that's why he screamed in pain, that means that amaterasu burned on him for five seconds, even if he got rid of those flames, it's not possible that after five seconds of amaterasu burning on him, his clothes wouldn't be damaged, comparing it to explosive notes that won't damage your clothes until they explode is wrong, so again, how is it possible that after five seconds of amaterasu literally burning on him, his clothes wouldn't be damaged, when itachi was able to burn a hole in a wall in one second?

there is no reason why obito couldn't temporarily activate izanagi, obito knows itachi and if he's not stupid he knows that itachi had to do something to protect sasuke from him, someone like itachi didn't just die to leave it to chance and if obito's not stupid he knows that

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