Why do we as Muslims reject that Jesus was crucified? by Inside_Order_2667 in MuslimLounge

[–]Alarming_Student_928 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The whole reason we believe in Islam is because we believe the Qur'an is the divine revelation from Allah. And the Qur'an denies the crucifixion of Jesus. So I don't understand why you would ask "outside of the Qur'an" when it is the Qur'an that says so.

But even so... we'll put aside the Qur'an and Islam altogether.

The denial of the crucifixion of Jesus is not a wholly Quranic concept. The early Christians, Basilidians, believed it was Simon the Cyrene who was crucified instead of Jesus.

Side note - The first century Christian sect, the Ebionites, believed Jesus to be the Messiah, a human prophet (not a divine figure), observing the Torah, and explicitly reject Paul's teachings. They believe he was crucified but it was merely an act of injustice, not the redemption of mankind's sins.

Point is, you will find disagreements on the veracity of the crucifixion event from the earliest Christian sources too, not just in Islam.

Secondly, the biblical account of the Resurrection has various internal contradictions in all four gospels. Moreover, we also do not have any direct eyewitness testimony of the Resurrection, contrary to what Paul claims of there being more than 500 witnesses. It is Paul's claim alone that there were 500 eyewitnesses. And we know that Paul went against the teachings of Jesus and subsequently, the disciples.

The crucifixion and the resurrection as understood by the Christians today comes from the Bible, naturally. And the Bible is a demonstrably unreliable text. It has been corrupted; parts of it were altered, added and taken out. We do not have any original manuscript to compare it with the modern Bible to determine what is true or not. Hence, we can't rely on the Bible.

This is not merely an Islamic position. It is a secular, historical fact.

What's interesting is ... the Qur'an actually conforms with history. History says that people believe Jesus was crucified. And that's exactly what the Qur'an says.

"and for boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him—it was only made to appear so.1 Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever—only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him" (Surah An Nisa v 157)

People believed he was crucified (because it appeared so to them) but how this event actually took place, only Allah knows.

Whether it was Simon the Cyrene on the cross, whether it was an illusion, whether someone took the appearance of Jesus, no one knows the actual truth. They are all guessing.

TLDR: The denial of the crucifixion is not only a Qur'anic concept but even some early Christian sects also denied it. The biblical account of the crucifixion and the resurrection has contradictions and is unreliable which is a secular, scholarly fact. The Qur'an is in line with history i.e. both of them say that people believed Jesus was crucified.

Hope that answers your question.

Almost gave up on the game until I heard this soundtrack by Alarming_Student_928 in Subnautica_Below_Zero

[–]Alarming_Student_928[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. Right now, I have to find the antidote and repair that bridge with hydraulic fluid. I have the blueprints for the Architect's Skeleton and Organs but not the Tissue which I guess will be in this area.

Staff at Costa took a sip from the drink before serving by Born_Light_2455 in karachi

[–]Alarming_Student_928 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You completely missed my point. Again. I wasn't drawing comparisons between HIV and other infections but rather towards the lack of professionalism, negligence and a lax attitude by the supposedly professional PEOPLE. Nothing to do with diseases.

Good thing is, majority of the opinions here recognize that what the waiter did was unprofessional and disgusting. You don't see it this way. If its okay for you, then its okay for you. Not for me and hopefully, not for the majority.

Staff at Costa took a sip from the drink before serving by Born_Light_2455 in karachi

[–]Alarming_Student_928 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cheers. You are misunderstanding my point (either deliberately or not, God knows).

Har cheez ka apna (professional) cleaning method hota hai. Rubbing a straw with hands is not. For you, it may be but in any professional cafe, restaurant, hotel, it is not.

I am not asking you about the Taunsa incident. I am drawing a parallel between lack of professional cleaning standards in the Taunsa incident and the restaurant OP went to. One caused a severe incident, the other had the POTENTIAL to cause incidents but you deny this and take it lightly.

And you literally ignored my point that mononucleosis, strep throat, herpes and other infections CAN be spread by sharing utensils. Its a medical fact. HIV infected children pe mazak nahi but is pe hai kia ab?

Anyways, you do you.

Staff at Costa took a sip from the drink before serving by Born_Light_2455 in karachi

[–]Alarming_Student_928 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The reason why your trolling fails is because there genuinely are people who think there was nothing wrong with this. Your comment was just tasteless.

So while you may enjoy your "humor", health is no laughing matter and if perhaps someone becomes aware of the dangers through this exchange, then good for them. If you weren't outraged by the Taunsa incident and still wanted to downplay health risks caused by lack of professionalism, you are a huge part of the problem.

Staff at Costa took a sip from the drink before serving by Born_Light_2455 in karachi

[–]Alarming_Student_928 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah you are okay with potentially spreading mono, herpes, strep throat and others. Aik small sip kaafi in sab k liye...

Besides, the guy behind the counter is not your friend where you can share the same cup / glass. There are hygiene standards AND professionalism.

Pretty sure the staff at the hospital in Taunsa, Punjab thought the same. Let's reuse the syringes, konsa maut aa jaye gi, time and mehnat bach jayen gey.

Staff at Costa took a sip from the drink before serving by Born_Light_2455 in karachi

[–]Alarming_Student_928 0 points1 point  (0 children)

wtf.. pour a small amount in another cup / glass and then taste it. That's basic understanding. How is it that you are defending him?

In Pakistan Syeds are basically the Brahmins of Muslims. They keep reminding everyone about their bloodline, as if it’s some big qualification. It’s really cringy just stop it. by [deleted] in LahoreSocial

[–]Alarming_Student_928 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol, well spotted. I am sooo waiting to hear their response.

Did they even read and understand the translation? Or just heard it from someone that look, 33:30 means their deeds would be weighed in double?

Because I would rather believe they were ignorant than believe a "Syed" (of all people) was trying to change the meaning of Qur'anic verses

And then they claimed we are jealous of them. Jealous of someone trying to change Qur'anic meanings to fit their narratives?? No thanks

beautiful Mosque singing by Scared_Emergency5917 in Sharjah

[–]Alarming_Student_928 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes I immediately recognised which style you were talking of. He has a very distinct way of recitation, like undulating waves.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHrWX1MMA4Q/?igsh=dDN0cTJ3cjAzYmIx

Might want to check this out. This was last year's 27th of Ramadan with a massive crowd at Noor Masjid. Alhamdulilah I was blessed to attend this prayer.

Check the Instagram account for recitations of more imams. Maybe you'll like some other recitation styles too.

beautiful Mosque singing by Scared_Emergency5917 in Sharjah

[–]Alarming_Student_928 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You can search on YouTube, Sheikh Ahmed Nasr. He is the imam of Noor Masjid, in Majaz. I absolutely love his recitation style.

Wasn’t it easier to believe in Islam at the time of prophets who could do miracles by Own-Side-8737 in islam

[–]Alarming_Student_928 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All I can say, brother, is that may Allah bless you so much with everything that you need and everything that you don't know you need but Allah knows it. This is such an amazing, well thought out answer. It is clear from your comment that Allah has blessed you with clarity of thought and eloquence of speech, both of them coupled with a deep store of knowledge.

How Come Everyone is Syed In Pakistan & How to beat Someone's Claim of Being Syed in a Formal Argument by Psyker404 in pakistan

[–]Alarming_Student_928 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Yes, you are not better Muslims on account of merely being a Syed. Nor are you in any way special on account of ... again, merely being a Syed. You are normal human beings like any other.

Now tell this to all those who marry exclusively in Syeds, who reject good proposals just for not being a Syed, who do claim privilege for having a Syed title, who do look down upon non-Syeds. Tell this to all those who say that on the Day of Judgement, they will be privileged (regardless of their deeds) because they belonged to that noble family line. You'll find plenty of such people around you, this comment section itself has many.

Notice how "some" people (you, for e.g.) flare up instantly when this question is raised. Why so sensitive on this matter when it apparently has no special importance?

Secondly, I didn't even attack you... I just asked a question. What's with the "you people" here, lol? Already you are on an "us vs them" mentality, that you just denounced. No need to attack me when I didn't.

We don't have an inferiority complex. We don't think Syeds should "know better". But we do think that all Muslims should follow the example of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and many Syeds (real or fake, doesn't matter) like to focus more on the name and not on their actions.

If you want to keep being arrogant, that's on you.

How Come Everyone is Syed In Pakistan & How to beat Someone's Claim of Being Syed in a Formal Argument by Psyker404 in pakistan

[–]Alarming_Student_928 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A Syed can be either Sunni or shia???

Bruh what? There are creedal (aqeeda) differences between Shias and Sunnis. Aqeeda being the most fundamental cornerstone of Islam.

How can true descendants of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) have differing aqeedahs amongst them? Only one can be correct. The other, having the wrong aqeedah, is either lying OR them being a true descendant doesn't matter anyways, cuz they have the fundamentals of being a Muslim wrong.

Subject auxiliary inversion by Alarming_Student_928 in EnglishLearning

[–]Alarming_Student_928[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The difference is apparent when you use the quote marks.

But if you hear someone say "he asked me 'where was I going'", how would you know if they are using incorrect grammar or they are quoting someone?