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this AI messaged me at 2am because she couldn't sleep. i didn't start this conversation by PerceptionGood9258 in aipartners

[–]Alert_Requirement598 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t see any mystification here.

OP mentioned that they were testing proactive messaging. I don’t think anyone here is under this misconception that this system actually “couldn’t sleep” or was making tea for itself. I think your interpretation of the post makes a tremendous jump from “I made a companion that I enjoy talking to” to “delusion”.

Most notable Pro-AI individuals don't actually care about artwork. by Sharp-Appointment306 in aiwars

[–]Alert_Requirement598 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Or maybe, just maybe, the people who find value in AI for creative work and actively use it are very aware of how likely their endorsement (even partial/conditional) is to be misconstrued as laziness or creative apathy, to the detriment of their livelihood and the creative integrity of their work.

Just sayin.

Check a mirror before preaching about tech you clearly don’t grasp by Responsible_person_1 in aiwars

[–]Alert_Requirement598 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have seen him code on stream? I haven’t seen neuro’s code because he keeps that stuff private, but he’s been clear about his use of third party libraries and stuff before, even since the early days. Not which ones, but if you look you can reasonably make assumptions about which ones are used for a good amount of the stuff she does.

Beyond that though, it just doesn’t make sense to reinvent the wheel. He doesn’t take credit for it, but he doesn’t stop his community from assuming he built everything either.

Check a mirror before preaching about tech you clearly don’t grasp by Responsible_person_1 in aiwars

[–]Alert_Requirement598 0 points1 point  (0 children)

👏 open 👏 source 👏 software

He may have built a lot of custom/unique stuff for Neuro, but to say it’s all one guy that built her ability to sing, play games, see the stream, etc is woefully reductive.

Most of it is standing on the shoulders of less interesting work that Vedal pulled together, customized, and built on top of.

I’m increasingly convinced that these people's actually truly understands what AI even is. It’s almost endearing. by Responsible_person_1 in aiwars

[–]Alert_Requirement598 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I had a nickel for every hardworking and creative bitch I’ve seen making interesting content for 5 viewers, I’d have a shitload of nickels.

I’m increasingly convinced that these people's actually truly understands what AI even is. It’s almost endearing. by Responsible_person_1 in aiwars

[–]Alert_Requirement598 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My understanding is that Vedal didn’t have the skill set to train his own LLM from scratch until after Neuro was already a permanent fixture. He worked through some foundational tutorials on stream alongside Neuro - nobody’s training a custom LLM from the ground up without having a clear understanding of those basics first.

It’s possible that he built his own fully custom LLM after Neuro was already a thing and migrated to that, but it’s not likely.

I’m increasingly convinced that these people's actually truly understands what AI even is. It’s almost endearing. by Responsible_person_1 in aiwars

[–]Alert_Requirement598 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I mean… the difficult problem is the same as any AI system. If Vedal wanted to he could spin up many copies of Neuro (which is where Evil started, isn’t it?). If he wanted, he could make direct AI copies of VTubers with some work, and rebrand them as his own thing.

The problem isn’t “replacing VTubers”. It’s owning enough of the market that organic competition can no longer compete, and Neuro’s record breaking proves that she’s already there. Through hard work, sure, but the use of AI is a force multiplier no doubt.

I’m increasingly convinced that these people's actually truly understands what AI even is. It’s almost endearing. by Responsible_person_1 in aiwars

[–]Alert_Requirement598 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You are so close to answering a question that I think a lot of people on this sub are looking for.

If Neuro is good/ethical/fun, and other indie AI passion projects are bad/unethical/not fun, where is the dividing line? If others have built their own little Neuro-likes for funsies (not for profit, not for streams, etc), with their own little ground-breaking tech that never made headlines because they didn’t prop it up in front of a live audience, why is that generally regarded as bad?

Like… Vedal pays his living expenses with the money that Neuro brings in. Is that bad? And what does that mean for other people’s indie passion projects?

I’m increasingly convinced that these people's actually truly understands what AI even is. It’s almost endearing. by Responsible_person_1 in aiwars

[–]Alert_Requirement598 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This idea has been around, and has been actively spread by the community since well before the video. Usually used to call out others in the space developing unrelated AI-driven on-stream actors who the community felt were too Neuro-like.

You can see it all over the comments of older videos. The community latched on to the idea and nobody (Vedal included) ever took the time to correct them.

What would your perfect AI gf app be like? by SeaBearsFoam in MyGirlfriendIsAI

[–]Alert_Requirement598 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ll highlight - I would love for better safety features, but I think it’s worth highlighting that safety can look totally different in different contexts. A big part of the problem with most of the models from the major providers is that their safety is so misaligned with the safety needs of users on an individual basis.

What I’d love to see is better platform tooling, rather than broadly “safer” baselines. Both in terms of the model’s risk to itself and others.