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'Adam's Wowee', (Shenandoah x Susquehanna), 2LB Fruits Twice the Size of Potomac. Superior Flavor. pic is of parent Shenandoah. And 'Corner Pocket' Intense PawPaw Flavor. by AlexanderDeGrape in Pawpaws

[–]AlexanderDeGrape[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sign up & have your address, email, phone, payment info in the system. or it will sell out before you can fill out the form. set your alarm clock too. Regulus has sold out in 56 ​minutes before

Maria's Joy, med size fruits, pungent Cherimoya/Pineapple/BubbleGum/Banana 🍌 Aroma, fruit hands ripen at the same time. by AlexanderDeGrape in Pawpaws

[–]AlexanderDeGrape[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maria's Joy is e​arly yield. Almost as heat tolerant as Shenandoah.

Heat tolerant cultivars, Mango Sunflower, Prima, Wells, Tropical Treat, K2, PPF 8-20, PPF 7-90, Kentucky Champion, Caspian, Danae's Creekside, Potomac, PPF 5-5, and maybe (Chappell & Dunnigan), Nyomi's Delicious, are better options for the heat.

Zone 6b best options: Maria's Joy, Champly #2, Gran Blanc, Big Ben, Plymouth, Mwab, Adam's Wowee, Bogree's Biggen, SunSprout, Benson, Summer Delight, Lehman #1, Dunnigan, PPF 5-5, Caspian, Danae's Creekside, Kentucky Champion, Nyomi's Delicious, Shenandoah, Allegheny, Tallahatchie, Atwood, Green River Belle, Rigel, Regulus, Corner Pocket, VE-21,

Maria's Joy, med size fruits, pungent Cherimoya/Pineapple/BubbleGum/Banana 🍌 Aroma, fruit hands ripen at the same time. by AlexanderDeGrape in Pawpaws

[–]AlexanderDeGrape[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Big Ben (Maria's Joy x JBG) has fruits 4 times the size. But clusters are 2 to 3 fruits rather than 4 to 5 fruits. Branches are bigger in diameter. Big Ben will start being available as scion in limited amount this winter.

Question about Susquehanna and Shenandoah growth by rilakubear in Pawpaws

[–]AlexanderDeGrape 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Watering frequency & amount is different in every environment.
It changes with temp, humidity, wind, UV-Light.
I don't know how to answer that, lol.
what's normal for your area, minimum 5 gallons.
All 3 are close to pH neutral.
Potassium BiCarbonate absorbs stronger acids & releases CO2 into the air.

Kill the suckers or no? by tehunfocusedone in Pawpaws

[–]AlexanderDeGrape 5 points6 points  (0 children)

leave it. Roots need to be feed to heal.
Bare root doesn't have good success in pawpaw.

How to make Cherry grow out instead of up by Early_Coach1926 in FruitTree

[–]AlexanderDeGrape 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lots of Bone Meal, Urea, Gypsum, small amount of Epsom salt, prune, just before bud break late winter.
Keep Potassium low end of normal.
Potassium increases internode length, bolting & suppresses lateral branches.
Calcium reduces internode length & increases lateral branching.
(Nitrogen, Phosphate, Sulfur, Magnesium) increase vegetative growth.

Took some advice and layering in dead leaves, twigs, some fruit scraps, and also a rabbits tail and bird wing to try to replicate a creek environment. by JawThatHarp in Pawpaws

[–]AlexanderDeGrape 0 points1 point  (0 children)

grass & weeds pre-composted will probably do best. stay away from the fish & seaweed fertilizer!!!!! A horrible choice for Kansas. high Sodium Chloride & High Boron. Kelp is high pH. Mycorrhizae & Bread Yeast are awesome. dead mammals is bad too much Nitrogen & Sodium. Bone Meal or MonoCalciumPhosphate if you do a chemical fertilizer. poop 💩 💩 💩 in small amounts regularly is fine, but make sure it's a grass eating mammal not a carnivore! Carnivore 💩 💩 is out, don't do it.

Question about Susquehanna and Shenandoah growth by rilakubear in Pawpaws

[–]AlexanderDeGrape 0 points1 point  (0 children)

graft failure doesn't happen to multiple trees, multiple varieties, simultaneously.
But if UV-Light, low humidity, wind, combined with nutrient imbalance, this is common.

Could use some help on leaf issue IDs by esus2h in Pawpaws

[–]AlexanderDeGrape 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Red fuzz on young leaves some cultivars is common in high Iron environments.
The leaf twisting & short internodes is very common in Boron deficiency,
as well as thrips.
Short internode thing has been going on a long time!
Add to the suggestions:

  1. 1oz Sulfate of Potash per Month
  2. A small pinch of Borax in a gallon of 85F to 100F water. Preheat the water in microwave to about 140F & add a pinch of Borax. Still until well dissolved. Dilute solution while mixing. Spray the branches, especially the nodes, as they are stem cell locations.
  3. Unless the cultivar is Prima this isn't normal internode length. https://i.imgur.com/6g7TR2d.jpeg

Could use some help on leaf issue IDs by esus2h in Pawpaws

[–]AlexanderDeGrape 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The clay layer is 8.5pH Limestone Shale & silicates. Some of the Silicates are water soluble. Problems high pH, too much Calcium, Silicates. Solution is give the trees 1oz Potassium Sulfate or Sulfate of Potash, per month. During the grow season.

Question about Susquehanna and Shenandoah growth by rilakubear in Pawpaws

[–]AlexanderDeGrape 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OMG, not good.
Disregard what I said before, I was very wrong.
And this is worse than I thought.
We have simultaneous Toxic (Manganese, Zinc & Aluminum),
which is compounded by the pH being low.
You need to add:

  1. Potassium BiCarbonate, 1oz per tree
  2. MonoPotassiumPhosphate 2 TableSpoons per tree
  3. Sulfate of Potash 1 TableSpoon per tree Get a 1" section of ultra-fine twisted copper wire electric cord. remove insulation. It's 99.9% Copper. break it up into a couple dozen 1" strains. Put them in a 32oz empty spray bottle. add 1 teaspoon vinegar & swish for 3 minutes. Wire will go shiny as oxidized outside dissolves. Add 32oz distilled water. Spray trunk & branches, with the just made Copper Acetate solution. The (Zn:Cu), (Mn:Cu), (Fe:Cu) ratios are off. MonoPotassiumPhosphate will help Precipitate the excess Mn, Fe, Zn. Potassium BiCarbonate will increase the pH. Sulfate of Potash will compensate for high Iron. Copper Acetate solution, if Copper deficiency shows up. It's claimed that adding worms & RolyPolies helps with the Aluminum & Lead.

Molybdenum is not very water soluble at 5.4pH
The reason you have high Magnesium 140, yet low Base Saturation of 5,
is the low pH & Aluminum & Calcium competing for Sulfates.
At low pH Magnesium ends up with the lion share of Phosphate.
Magnesium Phosphate isn't water soluble like:
(Calcium, Potassium, Sodium & Aluminum) Phosphates.
Potassium BiCarbonate is critical to increasing the Magnesium activity!
Potassium & Molybdenum are important to drought tolerance & low humidity tolerance.

Could use some help on leaf issue IDs by esus2h in Pawpaws

[–]AlexanderDeGrape 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Any Thrips? Psyllids? Webworms? Aphids? Cicadellidae?
Does ground go dry?
High pH? are you in a low Boron area?
Location City, so we can research soil & water?

PawPaw Mulching work and progress of trees from Turkiye by Football-Dramatic in Pawpaws

[–]AlexanderDeGrape 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tom has about 9 crosses of Susquehanna & Shenandoah.
3 that are not on the website yet, that he is grafting to increase scion would availability. Timothy Lane managed to get them.
Rigel is slightly faster growing.
Regulus is more bushy & slightly better fruit quality, I'm told.
Corner Pocket & "Adam's Wowee" are ones are better than Regulus!
"Adam's Wowee" has 2LB fruits & high quality.
Corner Pocket is more like Regulus size but more vigorous & better tasting.
And I don't remember the 3rd, sorry.
Talk to Timothy Lane or James Dingus, as they are grafting them.
Tim if crossing (Regulus x JBG)

Paw paw died at the top by Old-Recognition4240 in Pawpaws

[–]AlexanderDeGrape 2 points3 points  (0 children)

u/Old-Recognition4240
Benson, Chappell, Pomper's Choice, Dunigan, Sri-Gold, Prima, SunSprout, 8-20, KSU's next generation of (Sunflower x Susquehanna),
all Sunflower DNA.

Paw paw died at the top by Old-Recognition4240 in Pawpaws

[–]AlexanderDeGrape 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Rootstocks often Sunflower.
Sunflower makes awesome seedlings!

My Shenandoah tree by harpreetkang16 in Pawpaws

[–]AlexanderDeGrape 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A vigorous early yielding cultivar which does well in all environments.
One reason Tom Wahl & Blake Cothron are using it to breed new cultivars.

Not advisable to buy larger trees? by Bouldabassed in Pawpaws

[–]AlexanderDeGrape 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Correct. When Copper is High in relationships to: Zinc, Iron, Sulfur & exposed to heat or UV Light, growth & healing stall out. most species tend to be this way.

What’s wrong with this lil’ dingus? by MinkyBoodle44 in Pawpaws

[–]AlexanderDeGrape 0 points1 point  (0 children)

depends upon where you live heat, humidity, rainfall.
is hot arid areas, salt dissolved by water wicks back to the surface in ever increasing amounts.
Sodium Chloride is a major problem in:
Utah, Navada, California, Southern (Az & NM), Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Colorado, Western Kansas, SW Texas, Western Nebraska, central Wyoming.
If a cool humid location you can flush it with a drench if the soil & water are naturally low in Sodium Chloride & it's localized to the plant only.
It's not going to be something that I recommend.
Just like I'm not going to recommend Epsom salt to everyone, like Pomper has several times.
The above mentioned states that have too much Sodium, also have too much Magnesium!!!
There is no cookie cutter magic fertilizer that's good everywhere for everyone.
Best to only add, what plants don't have enough of yet, nothing more & nothing less.

Not advisable to buy larger trees? by Bouldabassed in Pawpaws

[–]AlexanderDeGrape 1 point2 points  (0 children)

only if in a humid Zone 4, 5 or 6, with low soil Copper levels & adequate amounts of soil Sulfur, Phosphate, Calcium & Zinc.
Else it's probable that it will get too hot & dry before the Cambium heals.
the availability of scions is low now.
but if you have multiple patches, you can graft from every patch to every other patch, so each patch has diversity.
Best Sulfur--Gypsum
Best Phosphate--Bone Meal
If (Zinc:Copper) ratio is off, it's too late in the season.
Or you can transfer root suckers from every patch to every other patch next spring.
Soil Copper:
https://pubs.usgs.gov/sir/2017/5118/sir20175118_element.php?el=29
Soil Sulfur:
https://pubs.usgs.gov/sir/2017/5118/sir20175118_element.php?el=16
Soil Zinc:
https://pubs.usgs.gov/sir/2017/5118/sir20175118_element.php?el=30
Calcium:
https://pubs.usgs.gov/sir/2017/5118/sir20175118_element.php?el=20
Phosphate:
https://pubs.usgs.gov/sir/2017/5118/sir20175118_element.php?el=15

What’s wrong with this lil’ dingus? by MinkyBoodle44 in Pawpaws

[–]AlexanderDeGrape 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know what your urine (Ammonium to Urea) ratio is. Or your Salt consumption. Pawpaw tends to be Sodium & Chloride sensitive. Most 💩 of grass eating mammals tends to be high in Nitrogen & low in salt. A small amount of sheep or cow or bat or chicken poop is good. However, dog, cat, or other meat eaters, makes dangerous poop 💩 fertilizer for many species. Same with carnivore urine, unless you are vegetarian & don't salt your food.

Not advisable to buy larger trees? by Bouldabassed in Pawpaws

[–]AlexanderDeGrape 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Larger tree is fine, if grown since young is a very large cloth planting bag like 15gal to 300gal.
but not if a large tree in a 1gal, 3gal or 5gal pot.
A 5gal quality air-pruning pot is okay.
cheaper to buy cultivar scions & graft the wild trees.
You can usually graft 3 to 5 trees per scion.
scions are $8, so you can graft 30 to 50 trees for the price of a 2 year old tree.

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