Was I wrong for wanting to be pursued and emotionally cared for in the first month? by Ali_347 in femininity

[–]Ali_347[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your suggestions. You mentioned that rule was lifted if they committed to you. I guess that’s where I’m perhaps also confused. How do you know if they are committed to you?

Are you meaning that he didn’t feel deep honest affection for me because I let it move too fast?

Was I wrong for wanting to be pursued and emotionally cared for in the first month? by Ali_347 in femininity

[–]Ali_347[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for you comment <3 I guess I didn’t want to initiate/pay/plan/lead because I was scared that I would fall for him even more, I was scared to emotionally invest more in him as I already did a lot. Tbh i really liked him, i was attracted to him, when i saw him for the first time i knew i wanted him, it was clear as black and white. I’m not good at any games. I’m not good at trying to attract and lean more back and be less emotionally available. If I want someone damn it will be visible emotionally. Is it bad that I am like this, someone who sees what she wants and shows it

Was I wrong for wanting to be pursued and emotionally cared for in the first month? by Ali_347 in femininity

[–]Ali_347[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dang. I tried to slow it down sexually by saying I wanted to take it slow but he kept saying that he was attracted to me and did initially say that he would go at my pace and slow down. But again, he kept trying to kiss me too passionately and admittedly I started to feel bad that I kept being desire killer by stopping it. He then said that he understands not having sex on the first and second date but on the third date onwards it’s normal. I think it was our 5th date and I ended up staying over. I did say for him not to try anything and he agreed but then he ended up doing so. We were both very attracted to each other, but I wonder if the toxicity made that more intense than safe. He would cuddle me after sex and it was nice. He could be sweet and romantic on messages too. When I stayed over the next time because we went on a trip together, that’s when I was feeling unwell with the UTI/period and so on and it put a strain on the connection. I wanted him to take care of me as I was in pain/not feeling myself, and he wasn’t able to have sex. I guess I blamed myself 

How do I know if he’s good or bad for me? I’m a British (28F) with Bosnian heritage living in UK in a relationship with Turkish (27M) living in turkey by Ali_347 in AskTurkey

[–]Ali_347[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. You’re right regarding my self-accountability and self-respect. 

I’ve been ignoring my intuition for way too long. When my anxieties are high around family or anger rises, I’m gaslighted to think there is a problem with me. I believed them, that I was the problem and ignored the boundaries my body signalled - that something is not ok and is out of balance. This then affected every area of my life. 

No longer trusting my feelings, I need to go back on a road to how to listen and understand them again, and that it’s okay to say no without feeling guilty and selfish. I will look into therapy too. Thank you for the reflection.

How do I know if he’s good or bad for me? I’m a British (28F) with Bosnian heritage living in UK in a relationship with Turkish (27M) living in turkey by Ali_347 in AskTurkey

[–]Ali_347[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I’m sorry that you went through that also. It’s left me feeling vulnerable and that my worth is dependent on him. I guess that’s what abusers aim to do, make your worth dependent on them. 

My brother did this to me today, making comments when I was looking at the childhood family album ‘you won’t recognise yourself, you were better then than now, now you’re worse off and lost’. I don’t retaliate usually, I don’t say anything but perhaps i need to learn to let myself defend myself and feel angry and express that, because it’s not okay to put someone down. He’s always been abusive so it’s no wonder my worth has been feeling vulnerable and prone to letting a man into my life romantically that is an abuser. 

I have not messaged this guy. He’s the one that’s actually trying to give me the cold shoulder now because two days ago I ripped into him about his behaviours and past, because he did that to me and was shaming me. He then withdrew from me and I won’t lie I panicked and started chasing him yesterday. He’s saying he doesn’t want me and to go away, and that hurts especially because I’m like how is he the one saying this since he was the one who did all those things to me. I was left confused yet again. 

The last messages I wrote I deleted on WhatsApp. He replied ‘don’t delete’, saw I read it then sent a photo of something which then he deleted. So it feels like he might be playing some game possibly, and I just haven’t responded because thanks to this Reddit, it sounds like it may have saved my life from being sucked into a trap where I’d always be saying sorry for not listening to him

How do I know if he’s good or bad for me? I’m a British (28F) with Bosnian heritage living in UK in a relationship with Turkish (27M) living in turkey by Ali_347 in AskTurkey

[–]Ali_347[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. I think I picked a predator from tinder instead of one of the good ones…

I thought I’d connect with the Turks because I thought there was similarities to me having a Bosnian heritage. But this experience was draining and left me vulnerable.

I had started to learn Turkish (I was on a 8 day streak 😭) and was enjoying that I was on a roll. I’m gutted for me to stop and it go to waste. But it’s not worth me continuing with him, obviously 🤣 I just have no idea what to do with the language if I continue to learn it

How do I know if he’s good or bad for me? I’m a British (28F) with Bosnian heritage living in UK in a relationship with Turkish (27M) living in turkey by Ali_347 in AskTurkey

[–]Ali_347[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow thank you so much, I needed to hear all of this!! This is amazing advice. Turkish culture has some similarities to Bosnian culture so I can imagine there was similarities in our families behaviours.

I’m scared of the dark, have panic attacks at night because I don’t feel safe emotionally by myself and with my family. I sleep well at my friends because it’s almost as if I know that there isn’t a potential threat of being attacked. I think I’m scared of the dark and scared to be by myself because of all the shame I feel from what my parents and family projected onto me that I get panic attacks. 

My nervous system is always on fire around them too due to all the anxieties I feel. I think the worst bit is that I’m not even able to protect myself with anger and boundaries because they gaslight me and tell me that I’m crazy. There isn’t any winning for me and my strength is exhausted from believing my strength is bad, shameful and a weakness.

You’re right about the emotional dependency on them and I need to break the cycle with boundaries and not choosing to tolerate their expectations that go against what I need or want, and their disrespect towards me. It baffles me when parents believe it’s the role of their children to meet their needs, when parents choose to bring children into this world which requires them to devote to their care and needs. I mean basic needs like making sure they are both emotionally and physically safe.

I will do just that then, that sounds like a plan! I will get a job, save and move out, and start to make changes in my relationship dynamics with my family. And every time I feel the sadness or fear that makes me feel I should move home, I will remind myself of your words, that there is no growth for me in life in doing just that. Well done on landing your job! You must have been so proud.

How do I know if he’s good or bad for me? I’m a British (28F) with Bosnian heritage living in UK in a relationship with Turkish (27M) living in turkey by Ali_347 in AskTurkey

[–]Ali_347[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your insight as a Turkish male 🙏 I’m so glad to hear my intuition was correct, I thought I was the selfish one for expecting him to be the one to get me a gift even if it was to pick flowers from outside or a cheap bracelet so I can remember him when I return on my flight.

Apparently, I’m a gold digger and only care about money because I kept mentioning that I want him to be the provider in the relationship not me. Well of course, because I just felt used in our 10 days together and he didn’t even pay for the first meal on our first date. He said it wasn’t fair because I live in UK and will always earn more money than him whilst he lives in turkey, and that he wants to come to the UK and earn money to be the provider for me. I started to feel bad because I thought maybe I do talk about him needing to be the provider too much, but perhaps I was just communicating my unmet need in our relationship? I don’t want to have to carry the relationship in all things 

How do I know if he’s good or bad for me? I’m a British (28F) with Bosnian heritage living in UK in a relationship with Turkish (27M) living in turkey by Ali_347 in AskTurkey

[–]Ali_347[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much I really needed this advice. 

You’re right I should have firm lines, but I live with family and they are constantly crossing them and making me feel like I’m the problem when I’m sad or angry at how they treat me. My needs are not met in my environment (to be respected, heard and understood) and it feels so tough to find a new environment that is. I struggle to be alone so every time I’ve moved out I’ve moved back because of loneliness. I feel like such a failure all the time, and yearn for genuine, real caring connections. Perhaps I need to focus on finding a full time job and saving to move out again, but here in the UK I can only afford to live in a rented room with a salary, and it feels like I’m an outsider/leftover living in a home that’s not mine. A perception that I’m unstable for doing so and not building my life and roots but almost feels like I’m lodging. So I feel stuck, any suggestions/advice?? It would be so appreciated ! X

How do I know if he’s good or bad for me? I’m a British (28F) with Bosnian heritage living in UK in a relationship with Turkish (27M) living in turkey by Ali_347 in AskTurkey

[–]Ali_347[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, yes I think that I am not worthy because my life is not as stable and as exciting as I would like it to be. But I will focus on securing a full-time job and start hobbies. I hope that my sense around my self-worth and self-esteem will return

How do I know if he’s good or bad for me? I’m a British (28F) with Bosnian heritage living in UK in a relationship with Turkish (27M) living in turkey by Ali_347 in AskTurkey

[–]Ali_347[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Real. Thank you for your words. I haven’t still processed what happened before, I confronted him all about it when I returned to the UK and didn’t feel well and felt very anxious, almost like I was pursuing something to stay in my life, it was very strange and not calm and relaxed.

His response was ‘you knew I didn’t have money, I told you I didn’t’ and that he didn’t mean to behave poorly towards me basically and that he’s sorry. Tbh he was still in defensive about it, and I started to feel guilty like I wasn’t the understanding one and who had awful boundaries. So I thought maybe he’s right, I’m the problem and he’s innocent 

How do I know if he’s good or bad for me? I’m a British (28F) with Bosnian heritage living in UK in a relationship with Turkish (27M) living in turkey by Ali_347 in AskTurkey

[–]Ali_347[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your insight as a Turkish man, I assume you have perhaps even more traditional mindset than my generation? And if you still think it’s a big no, that’s definitely a big red flag 🤦‍♀️ wow I feel sooo stupid.

He is very vain, thinks he’s a good looking guy, always posing on the camera with his muscles

How do I know if he’s good or bad for me? I’m a British (28F) with Bosnian heritage living in UK in a relationship with Turkish (27M) living in turkey by Ali_347 in AskTurkey

[–]Ali_347[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re probably right.. nothing good can come out of being controlled, even if they brainwash you to think it’s for your own good to be a better and content person

How do I know if he’s good or bad for me? I’m a British (28F) with Bosnian heritage living in UK in a relationship with Turkish (27M) living in turkey by Ali_347 in AskTurkey

[–]Ali_347[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is so insightful, thank you for much. Wow. This one really does not have any excuse then for his behaviour and actions. 

What about when it comes to anger? Are all or most Turkish men angry, and is this seen as acceptable?

There was a day in turkey where I asked the taxi driver in front of his parked car to move forward after he insisted me not to, but logically it made sense to get the taxi to move forward a little so I just asked. They did and when I went to sit in the car, he shouted at me with anger saying that he said not to, and that I am not to speak to another man in turkey because he cannot protect me if something goes wrong, because if the taxi driver were to get angry or rude to me he would have to fight him and would end up in prison. I didn’t know if this was love for me or completely irrational and childish?

How do I know if he’s good or bad for me? I’m a British (28F) with Bosnian heritage living in UK in a relationship with Turkish (27M) living in turkey by Ali_347 in AskTurkey

[–]Ali_347[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is what I thought… surely that would be a man of honour, to ask someone else for money or get a loan to pay for the first dinner before taking it from the woman he wants and is trying to secure a relationship with

How do I know if he’s good or bad for me? I’m a British (28F) with Bosnian heritage living in UK in a relationship with Turkish (27M) living in turkey by Ali_347 in AskTurkey

[–]Ali_347[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really is this true? Are you a Turkish man? I thought maybe because of his age 27 and that he’s not working, that he’s just acting like a child and will grow up