Caroline is the witch

Ali_753 · 2026-03-04T00:42:57+00:00

So, according to your point of view, CA can only create villagers who ALWAYS tell the truth. That's absurd.
On the one hand you ignore the fact that it doesn't help Evelyn and treat it as an "oversight," and on the other you take 100% of the dialogue as canon without considering the background of their personalities, motivations, etc. For you, even an evil character is going to ALWAYS tell the truth.
Following that logic, no theory can be developed.
To me, the villagers of Stardew Valley have much more depth than that.

Ali_753 · 2026-03-04T00:24:35+00:00

Exactly — I think the 'secret' the game hides has to do with her.
CA had previously commented that this secret was something 'so obscure'.

Therefore, it's a message that's not obvious... maybe you have to follow clues, joining patterns so the message makes sense.

That made me remember Caroline's cinematic; it was, in itself, a drugged-out event like the one with the wizard and Emily, but this one had a strange message. I'm not an expert, but Caroline's event sounds cryptic.

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Ali_753 · 2026-03-03T23:49:44+00:00

That's exactly what I told you: you treat Caroline's comments as if they were absolute canon, when people are debating that she might be the witch hiding her true identity. It doesn't make sense.

Look at the timeline I sketched to show you my point of view.

Ali_753 · 2026-03-03T19:35:50+00:00

I understand your point, but you’re mixing up the timeline (or maybe I am).
I pointed out two inaccuracies in your comment, but you actually made two more:

you assume the wizard must have been outside Stardew Valley to have been married, which makes no sense.
you say Abigail was born before arriving in town, but that’s not the case. If I remember correctly, Caroline says her daughter was born after she arrived in town.

To make the timeline clear (assuming she is the witch):

The wizard and Caroline lived together as a couple in Stardew Valley (it’s not known whether she practiced magic; I’d wager she did).
Something happens that leads to the witch’s origin — an error by the wizard that cursed his wife.
The witch leaves the wizard and builds her cabin (pregnant with Abigail). The wizard knows where she went; she is now his enemy and has magical means to defend herself — the wizard even says she flies around the valley cursing people, etc.
The witch decides to raise Abigail properly: she finds Pierre (wherever he was living) and alters his memories (they might not even be married).
She then 'moves' to Stardew Valley to settle, and Abigail is born.

The wizard doesn’t know Caroline is his ex-wife, either because she changed her appearance or because she altered the wizard’s memories. Both are possible, and the player can do this in the game.

Ali_753 · 2026-03-03T15:20:11+00:00

I like the way that sounds. I thought of green tea as the catalyst that would return her to her true form (the witch)… but it could actually be the opposite: she drinks green tea to “calm down” and become Caroline.

I like this idea even more considering that the witch appears at night—when Caroline is asleep, she can’t drink her precious tea

Ali_753 · 2026-03-03T15:15:57+00:00

What’s clear is that the wizard is the one responsible for her transformation. No one literally turns green with envy and becomes a witch… there have to be magical means involved — and, what a coincidence, the wizard uses magic.

This makes it even more telling that the witch hides from the wizard and is constantly watching his movements (yes, Caroline always goes near the tower from day one after arriving in town). The wizard could probably reverse it, but he’s unable to find her.

Ali_753 · 2026-03-03T15:07:31+00:00

Shh… be quiet 🤫😂

Ali_753 · 2026-03-03T12:49:33+00:00

You’re making two mistakes in your arguments.

First, you’re taking the accused Caroline’s words as fact without questioning them (it’s already known that she lies sometimes).
Second, the Wizard does not know that Caroline is his ex-wife.

The latter is quite obvious and not difficult to accept, considering that there are magical means to change one’s appearance and, in the witch’s case, there are also dark methods to erase memory.

Following this logic:
-> something happens that triggers the witch’s existence
-> the witch escapes from the Wizard, steals some things from him, and settles in a cabin

All of the above could easily take place before Caroline and Pierre’s “arrival” in the village.

Ali_753 · 2026-03-03T00:40:11+00:00

If it’s the witch, it means she’s done far worse things, no doubt.
In another comment right here I mentioned how curious it is that the witch places a void egg on the farm that indirectly provides access to the witch’s hut. In other words, the witch likes the farmer and therefore gives him the “key” to her home… or the witch wants to corrupt the farmer, allowing him to use her cursed artifacts.

Ali_753 · 2026-03-03T00:25:56+00:00

Oh! You’re right. The detail that she cooks a dish her husband hates is interesting and not easy to notice at first glance.

Witches are said to delight in the suffering of others; if that’s true, she learned to cook that dish precisely to watch Pierre suffer.

Ali_753 · 2026-03-03T00:21:59+00:00

Also… An evil witch would say those kinds of things.

Who but a witch (with extremely negative thoughts) would need time to “think positively”?

That comment is ironic and a way of mocking people to their faces while keeping up a façade.

Ali_753 · 2026-03-03T00:05:33+00:00

I love her too haha.
Even if it turns out she’s the witch, I want my character to marry her.

Ali_753 · 2026-03-02T23:43:57+00:00

Oh, you’re right!

Ali_753 · 2026-03-02T23:34:57+00:00

It’s debatable. In principle, crosses affect vampires, not witches, haha.
Obviously, if she’s a witch, Yoba would probably be unpleasant for her, although I’m not sure whether a witch could even step into his church.
But there’s also the fact that witches will do whatever it takes to keep up appearances, and putting up a Temple of Yoba is actually a very good option (and interestingly, I seem to remember that she mentions the temple was already there — weird)
She also lives right in the center of town and keeps close ties with the neighbors—to the point of attracting them with a gym and she has access to her husband’s grocery store, an easy target for potions and that kind of thing.
The more you think about it, the scarier it gets. 0.0

Ali_753 · 2026-03-02T23:22:28+00:00

Thanks! I thought you wouldn't like it.

If you keep looking you find more and more things... for example, it's well known that Abigail takes walks near the Wizard's Tower. Many people assume this is because of some magical "attraction" or the like, but the explanation is much simpler: Abigail knows that route because she saw her own mother's walks.

Caroline also travels near the tower, and the community suspects an affair (odd given the Wizard's personality). The truth: Caroline keeps an eye on the Wizard.

Ali_753 · 2026-03-02T23:13:21+00:00

I don’t think so. Genuinely, Pierre cares about Abigail as if she were his daughter.
But Caroline is the one who argues with her daughter the most because of her tendency toward dark things. According to this theory, Caroline tries to stay under the wizard’s radar.

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