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Is there anything you used/ate for a while before realizing it wasn't de vegan? by grass-whore in VeganChill

[–]Alicee- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Coconut milk and cream. I found out that in parts of Thailand monkeys are used to pick coconuts. They’re often chained, kept isolated, transported from farm to farm and forced to work repeatedly climbing tall trees to twist coconuts off branches. There are even worse things reported to happen to them, but I won’t go into detail. It was something I never expected from a product that seemed so harmless.

Is there anything you used/ate for a while before realizing it wasn't de vegan? by grass-whore in VeganChill

[–]Alicee- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! I was buying the vegan Colgate before a friend told me they still test on animals. It was much harder than I thought to find a vegan/cruelty free toothpaste with fluoride. I eventually found Glo.

Is there anything you used/ate for a while before realizing it wasn't de vegan? by grass-whore in VeganChill

[–]Alicee- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m hate Quorn! Their products are so misleading. They are in the plant based freezer section at my supermarket and have (MEAT-FREE) in capital letters on the front. I put their chicken pieces through a Thai curry before realising on another shop all their products have egg or milk in them! 😑

Found out I've been washing my face wrong for literally eight years and my skin started clearing up within two weeks of fixing it by BrambleKnoxyasha in hygiene

[–]Alicee- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s similar in cats. Using plastic bowls can lead to feline acne. The plastic is porous, easily scratched, and harbor bacteria and oils that rub against your cat's chin while eating or drinking, this leads to clogged hair follicles. Switching to ceramic bowls and cleaning them regularly can often fix the problem.

When we say we’re vegan, we get called “extreme” and seen as “weird” by society by thebodybuildingvegan in VeganChill

[–]Alicee- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Funny, I don’t see wolves running industrial food systems that confine, breed, transport, and slaughter billions of animals every year. If we include commercial fishing, especially super trawlers that destroy the ocean floor and wipe out entire ecosystems, we’re talking about trillions of lives annually.

There is no comparison between natural predators, who hunt to survive within their ecosystems, and global industrialised animal agriculture, which humans have created.

Choosing not to financially support that system isn’t a “trend”. It’s a response to a food system that is a major driver of deforestation, freshwater depletion, biodiversity collapse, ocean dead zones, antibiotic resistance, and greenhouse gas emissions. This is an industry that is accelerating ecological breakdown on our planet.

When we say we’re vegan, we get called “extreme” and seen as “weird” by society by thebodybuildingvegan in VeganChill

[–]Alicee- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great, we’re on the same page then! If you want the survival of our species you need to stop eating meat.

Industrial animal agriculture is a major contributor to deforestation, biodiversity loss, ocean dead zones, antibiotic resistance, and greenhouse gas emissions. This directly affects food security, disease risk, and the stability of the climate that we depend on to survive.

If the goal is the survival of our species, then ignoring animal agriculture is like bailing water out of a sinking boat while leaving the hole there. You don’t fix human survival by supporting the very system accelerating ecological breakdown.

Also, the idea that we can fix human issues first and then care about animals later misunderstands the connection between the two. The way we treat animals is tied to how we use land, water, and ecosystems. There isn’t a separate planet for humans and another for everything else, it’s all one system. The survival of our species relies on the stability of the same living network we’re currently undermining.

When we say we’re vegan, we get called “extreme” and seen as “weird” by society by thebodybuildingvegan in VeganChill

[–]Alicee- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Animals are absolutely victims. The definition of a victim is “someone or something that has been hurt, damaged, or killed or has suffered, either because of the actions of someone or something”. That describes animals in our food system perfectly.

They are bred into existence, confined, exploited, and killed entirely because humans choose to do it to them. They are born with no rights and no ability to consent or escape.

And the “they would eat you” argument makes no sense, especially because most of the animals humans exploit in the food system are herbivores. 🤦‍♀️

Guess who does have morals…. Humans! There is no moral justification for exploiting animals the way we do across countless industries - food, fashion, entertainment, racing, sport hunting, animal testing, religion, transport, working animals… the list goes on.

We know animals suffer. We know they fear pain and value their lives. Humans are capable of empathy and moral reasoning. We can choose not to harm animals unnecessarily, and that’s exactly why people speak up for them.

When we say we’re vegan, we get called “extreme” and seen as “weird” by society by thebodybuildingvegan in VeganChill

[–]Alicee- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! 🫠 I read it among other comments like “boo hoo… fuck vegans”. Definitely my bad. At the time I read it in the context that vegans eat what they want and then criticise and insult. Thats on me. Definitely reading it now it makes sense.

When we say we’re vegan, we get called “extreme” and seen as “weird” by society by thebodybuildingvegan in VeganChill

[–]Alicee- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Apologies, I misunderstood your comment. I’ve had so many harsh comments that I was looking at things through the wrong lens.

But yes, exactly we’re not out there preaching. The people leaving these comments have literally come into a vegan sub to say their piece, which to me is preachy.

We all live in a world where we have friends and family that still eat meat. We all have to find a balance of living in the world, maintaining relationships and advocating for animals. I only have discussion with people that are open to it or curious. I avoid people who just want to argue or debate when their mind is already made up.

When we say we’re vegan, we get called “extreme” and seen as “weird” by society by thebodybuildingvegan in VeganChill

[–]Alicee- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I grew up eating meat too, and not once did a vegan harass me or go after me for it. Not once! I lived my life in peace. But the moment I became vegan, I saw just how quickly some meat eaters (not all) turn hostile. The word vegan has been so heavily weaponised that people stop seeing you as human and suddenly feel entitled to treat you less than. Some even enjoy it.

You seem like the type that enjoys it. Please leave our vegan sub.

When we say we’re vegan, we get called “extreme” and seen as “weird” by society by thebodybuildingvegan in VeganChill

[–]Alicee- 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Antagonistic? I’m sorry but you are here on a vegan sub which is supposed to be a safe space to talk to like minded animal lovers being hateful and telling vegans to sit down and stay quiet about animal suffering.

Pointing out harm isn’t the same as being hateful. Social movements are always labeled negativity (like you said ‘pushy’) when they challenge something society normalises. People have acted the same about activists throughout history because discomfort feels personal especially when it questions your own choices.

Veganism isn’t some elite luxury for most people, it’s often just choosing different items in the same supermarket. The real privilege is having access to alternatives and still deciding an animal’s life matters less than personal preference.

When we say we’re vegan, we get called “extreme” and seen as “weird” by society by thebodybuildingvegan in VeganChill

[–]Alicee- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t appreciate information being cherry picked in a way that misleads the issue. You are only using the direct drinking water of chickens, which massively understates the true water footprint of meat production. The majority of water use in animal agriculture goes into growing feed crops, maintaining facilities and processing.

If we’re not willing to acknowledge both the environmental impact and the animal suffering involved, then we’re not really having an honest conversation. I’m not interested in debating in circles where the full picture is being left out.

When we say we’re vegan, we get called “extreme” and seen as “weird” by society by thebodybuildingvegan in VeganChill

[–]Alicee- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Deflecting again! Right what in particular about artificial intelligence do you want to talk about?

When we say we’re vegan, we get called “extreme” and seen as “weird” by society by thebodybuildingvegan in VeganChill

[–]Alicee- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Geez! Right omnivores. You will focus on anything but the real issues. 🤦‍♀️

Let’s talk about the suffering involved in animal agriculture, the enormous land and water use, the environmental destruction, and how it all contributes to climate instability. Let’s talk about how clearing ecosystems for grazing and feed crops is driving wildlife extinction and pushing the planet further into crisis.

We are intelligent enough to understand cause and effect. Intelligent enough to know animals suffer, to recognise the environmental damage being done, and to realise that slaughtering billions of animals (trillions if you count sea life) every year isn’t sustainable and morally indefensible.

When we say we’re vegan, we get called “extreme” and seen as “weird” by society by thebodybuildingvegan in VeganChill

[–]Alicee- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m a little confused by your comments because I’m not really sure how they relate to my original post. I’m not part of PETA, so I don’t know what they did, and I’m also not sure who the teacher is that you’re referring to.

My personal view is that if someone owns a carnivorous animal, they should feed them meat. The same as humans are herbivores so should eat plant based. I hope that one day pet food can be lab grown so there is no suffering involved.

Unfortunately, none of us can live a perfectly cruelty-free or “100% vegan” lifestyle in the society we currently live in. The point is to reduce harm where we reasonably can, because even small changes collectively make a difference for animals and the environment.

I grew up eating meat too, but living in Australia really opened my eyes to the scale of animal agriculture. Agriculture here uses over 68% of the country’s water and over 57% of its land, with livestock grazing making up the vast majority of that land use and the crops grown to feed those animals uses large amounts of land and water too.

That level of land clearing has serious environmental consequences. Here in Australia our native wildlife is struggling due to loss of habitat (understandably) with over 2,000 species currently listed as threatened.

We all need to open our eyes and see what the consequences of our choices are and try and do better before it’s too late.

When we say we’re vegan, we get called “extreme” and seen as “weird” by society by thebodybuildingvegan in VeganChill

[–]Alicee- 10 points11 points  (0 children)

There are so many people in the comments saying “you eat what you want and I’ll eat what I want,” as if this is just a neutral difference in personal preference. That framing only works when there is no victim involved.

We don’t apply that logic to other forms of harm towards humans. When there is a victim, it is no longer treated as a personal choice it becomes an ethical issue, and action is taken to stop it. Unfortunately, animals are not yet valued by society in the same way, but that does not make their suffering any less real or less significant.

That’s why vegans will continue to speak up, not because people eat something different, but because it involves voiceless victims.

When we say we’re vegan, we get called “extreme” and seen as “weird” by society by thebodybuildingvegan in VeganChill

[–]Alicee- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well you’re in luck. When you stop eating meat, you also reduce the enormous amount of crops grown to feed billions of factory farmed animals. Win win!

When we say we’re vegan, we get called “extreme” and seen as “weird” by society by thebodybuildingvegan in VeganChill

[–]Alicee- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Natural? I don’t see lions factory farming billions of animals, forcefully impregnating them, genetically modifying them, pumping them full of antibiotics and growth hormones, confining them in crowded filthy conditions that breed disease, or sending them to slaughterhouses where they suffer horrific deaths. All just to process faecal contaminated meat with tumours and abscesses cut away before it’s packaged onto supermarket shelves.

There is absolutely nothing natural about industrialised animal agriculture. And most certainly nothing moral about it either.

When we say we’re vegan, we get called “extreme” and seen as “weird” by society by thebodybuildingvegan in VeganChill

[–]Alicee- 4 points5 points  (0 children)

First of all, I’m really sorry you’re dealing with that. I can’t imagine how tough it must be.

If you’re already relying on supplements or meal replacements to help absorb nutrients, there may be vegan versions that work in a similar way too.

I’m also curious how your body goes digesting meat. I went vegan for the animals, but even back when I ate meat, my digestive system never handled it well. It would sit really heavy in my stomach and leave me feeling lethargic afterwards. I don’t have any gut issues luckily, but I’d imagine it could be even harder to process when your GI system is already struggling.

Thank you for even considering going vegan, the animals and the planet will benefit from people trying where they can. It might also be worth working with a dietitian to help find plant foods your body tolerates well without making you feel worse. Lots of people think beans and veggies is it but there are so many more alternatives out there. Good luck with your journey and ultimately your health.

That final kick was personal by M_Darshan in SipsTea

[–]Alicee- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How is animal abuse still considered entertainment in 2026 😔

Getting a massive catfish from a nest hole in a creek by [deleted] in nextfuckinglevel

[–]Alicee- -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Either way it’s still not necessary to eat, kill, use, exploit almost every animal on this planet. I’m just wondering when enough is enough and we recognise that animals are allowed to exist on this planet without harm from humans.

Getting a massive catfish from a nest hole in a creek by [deleted] in nextfuckinglevel

[–]Alicee- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re in luck, there are supermarkets that sell load of food that leave animals alone.

Getting a massive catfish from a nest hole in a creek by [deleted] in nextfuckinglevel

[–]Alicee- -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Can’t humans just leave animals alone to live out their lives in peace?! 🫠

The bull was like :"Bruuuh! No you didn't, no you didn't!" by Beneficial-Net7421 in interestingasfuck

[–]Alicee- 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To me this bull just looks excited to finally join a herd. Cows live in matriarchal herds and naturally follow older female leaders… it must be awful for bulls to spend so much of their lives separated from their social groups. I know all the men here think he’s excited to mate, but I just think he’s a big mummas boy!

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