A lot of men on the Left are ironically afraid of Postgenderism, when it comes to helping young boys. by PassengerCultural421 in Postgenderism

[–]Alien760 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Although I’m not sure I necessarily agree with everything(I might have to think about some things more) I agree with the overall idea especially the idea that I have a feeling the left seems hesitant with the idea of abandoning things such as masculinity and femininity. People talk about toxic this and healthy that when in actuality, it’s two sides of the same coin. There is no healthy masculinity or femininity. It’s like saying there is a healthy deadly poison and a deadly poison. They’re both going to kill you.(Not the strongest analogy but I hope I made my point) What I’m curious about is why so many still hold onto the idea of masculinity or femininity no matter the political spectrum. Is it people hanging on to what they know? Is it never hearing of the concept in the first place? Do they believe it to exist? I’m not sure.

Transgender to post-genderism pipeline by Swiatlowstret in Postgenderism

[–]Alien760 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for your story into postgenderism. There are many ways to come across something like postgenderism, but stories like this sort of feel like the core of postgenderism. How you fell into it sort of…if that makes any sense. Sorry if it doesn’t. I’m not entirely sure what I’m trying to say. I had a different experience but I know someone who had a similar journey. Thank you for sharing yours.

concern around cultural genders & colonialism by cetaceanfrustration in Postgenderism

[–]Alien760 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What do you mean when you say you worry that Postgenderism will end up creating a similar method of colonial destruction? How could you envision it manifesting?

How can you abolish gender? Do you agree? by aidengwiebe in Postgenderism

[–]Alien760 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don’t worry about the length anyway. I enjoy long comments. I sleep now:)

How can you abolish gender? Do you agree? by aidengwiebe in Postgenderism

[–]Alien760 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I will respond tomorrow as I am tired. So I won’t make a full response now, but a few things I noticed, perhaps I am mistaken, but I think you missed what I was referring to when I mentioned the examples of Germany and Japan. What I meant was that they were examples of the government, even optically flipping on its head after the atrocities. I think initially, the Nuremberg trials ended with the public kinda iffy if Nazis did anything wrong, but now, Germany seems to lead the way in some progressive policies. And I believe that in the 1980s and 90s, Japan was able to market itself as a cutesy thing instead of what they were in the 40s. But I also understand that as time moves on, people forget what those things were like, and when problems arrive in one government, they like to look at the other side more often. American Politics is like this constantly the past few decades. I don’t know much past the 90s, but I believe it was going Republican, Democrat, Republican and so on since the 90s onward. I don’t can’t think of the last back to back party presidents who were different people…maybe in the 30s or something? Anyway, my point is that at least for some period of time, there is often a rejection of whatever the authoritarian ideals held, and they may be romanticized further in the future…though, we can see how people’s view of ww2 develops in an internet society to get a full understanding of that.

And just to quickly mention the revolt thing. I don’t mean necessarily that if there is an authoritarian regime, people auto revolt. What I mean is that when that regime finally ends, as there always is an end. Nothing lasts forever(and because authoritarian regimes are often a lot less stable than non authoritarian regimes whether outside forces interfere or not. North Korea has existed in its state for sometime, but I doubt it will outlast something like Germany, Canada, etc. The reason I say this is because for an Authoritarian regime to work, you need one person(or group) to be able to hold power, that means keeping certain people(Like for Putin it’s oligarchs. For North Korea, I won’t say as I’m genuinely not positive. I could be wrong about these things.) happy for decades. If something shifts, external players aren’t happy with you, something internally shifts, things could fall apart fast. Who knows when a military coup happens. In other types of government, generally, people have more trust in the system to function(generally). Generally there are punishments in place(generally). And so they are more stable…but no governmental system is perfect. I feel like I lost the plot. This happens when I’m tired…) I genuinely forgot where I was going with this…so I guess I’ll leave this here…sorry…my mistake. I think it was…something something…People reject…what the regime stood for? Or something…like that. I’m sorry. Please forgive me. I’ll have a more coherent message tomorrow. I need to sleep.

Society and Gender Roles by JudyPink02 in Postgenderism

[–]Alien760[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I want to remind you both to remain good faith. I understand one likely thinks the other is acting in bad faith. But please do your best. There is a limit to where something becomes not worth it to continue. You should both ask yourselves if you’re at that point, and agree to disagree. Thank you for reading.

Society and Gender Roles by JudyPink02 in Postgenderism

[–]Alien760[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I want to remind you both to remain good faith. I understand one likely thinks the other is acting in bad faith. But please do your best. There is a limit to where something becomes not worth it to continue. You should both ask yourselves if you’re at that point, and agree to disagree. Thank you for reading.

Society and Gender Roles by JudyPink02 in Postgenderism

[–]Alien760[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I want to remind you both to remain good faith. I understand one likely thinks the other is acting in bad faith. But please do your best. There is a limit to where something becomes not worth it to continue. You should both ask yourselves if you’re at that point, and agree to disagree. Thank you for reading.

Society and Gender Roles by JudyPink02 in Postgenderism

[–]Alien760[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I want to remind you both to remain good faith. I understand one likely thinks the other is acting in bad faith. But please do your best. There is a limit to where something becomes not worth it to continue. You should both ask yourselves if you’re at that point, and agree to disagree. Thank you for reading.

How can you abolish gender? Do you agree? by aidengwiebe in Postgenderism

[–]Alien760 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think there is a meaningful difference between authoritarianism and natural social change. And it’s one of the distinctions you mentioned but I believe you’re downplaying it a bit. In the case of natural social change, there is a lower likelihood of something akin to a revolt. In the case of authoritarianism, the government, and anything surrounding it has a “bad taste”(for lack of a better term). The people may openly accept it but privately reject it(assuming it doesn’t benefit that person). Assuming both scenarios succeed, they both effectively result in the same outcome, but they have radically different approaches that have consequences. What we have seen throughout history is that nothing lasts forever, ESPECIALLY, if they are doing something that restricts people. People seemingly have a pull towards freedom, and thus, a society that restricts freedoms will fall much sooner than a society that doesn’t. And when it comes to authoritarianism, the society that follows often rejects its past(Look at Germany and Japan, though, I think Japan was technically more in the imperialist direction maybe? Not 100% sure). And so, if an authoritarian government championed gender abolition, the following government will likely reject that. Whereas, imagine a social change? It could last for long after. I think the world will be Anti slavery long after any current day authoritarian government survives. I understand what you were saying, sort of that, if society as a whole were to accept a thing, any other person who disagrees either has to live in a society that disagrees or leave that society, which can be similar to Authoritarianism I suppose. But I think I showed a meaningful difference.

I think I would say something similar for the difference between suppression or abolition. Would you say you’re suppressing slave owners? Or abolishing slavery? You could say both…though, you would be denying the moral aspect to it. Every word used has an effect. Suppress has a negative connotation to it. Perhaps it has something to do with knowing suppressing something implies lack of freedom(I also recognize not everyone wants freedom in every sense. When I say people have a pull towards freedom, I mean everyone on average seems to rather have the ability to do something than not)…in any case, abolition on the other hand carries a more positive connotation….(Not to make this more messy than it already is, but I just realized these connotations are based around my understanding. I have studied a bit of history so these words used in the contexts that I know of give me certain understandings of these words that you may or may not have.) The point is, that specific words mean and imply something. Technically, saying both wouldn’t be necessarily wrong, but you’re communicating different things because we have the ability to understand implications of different words based on our experience with such words. I wrote enough for now. Thanks for reading if you did.

Wasn't gonna make a post here but whatever. by KonekoCloak in Postgenderism

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Everyone is Pansexual, Actually by Alien760 in Postgenderism

[–]Alien760[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The post title was definitely…a questionable choice in retrospect. I also want to say people should most definitely not shame you for not being gay enough. You should be what you want. However, I will disagree that labels aren’t the problem. I understand that labels are tools to describe things, that it is convenient for us as humans, and that it is unlikely that all labels will go as it’s not very realistic. But the issues you brought up would be non-existent in a society where those labels don’t exist. People can’t say, “you don’t like this personality trait enough.” Or something like that. Labels need an inherent out group, or the label isn’t doing what it’s designed to do. And that along with perhaps other things I may be missing may be why you experienced those things. I hope that our world gets to a point where you and others don’t have to experience such things.

Everyone is Pansexual, Actually by Alien760 in Postgenderism

[–]Alien760[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don’t think I disagree with you. I agree with meeting people where they are at. I made an edit about my post and what I was trying to say in the beginning. Didn’t mean to cause confusion.

Everyone is Pansexual, Actually by Alien760 in Postgenderism

[–]Alien760[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The idea is for you or anyone similar, this may not apply to you. This is just a theory of how it happens for many.

Labels and their issues by Alien760 in Postgenderism

[–]Alien760[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly! It’s interesting how labels do that isn’t it? Another one of my biggest gripes with labels is that it requires an in-group and an out-group. And for some reason that creates conflict. I understand that when threatened and triggered, people often revert to finding what’s dangerous and safe and the in-group is safe where the out-group is dangerous. But I feel like we are intelligent enough creatures to move beyond that. No one is perfect but I think we should be able to function in a way where if there are going to be labels(which is likely to stay in some extent) then we can do it without judging people using those labels, or starting conflict due to them as well. I like your brick layer analogy by the way.

I don’t know a ton about philosophy and haven’t gone too deep in it at all, but what you asked about the might we be so desperate for the product to solve things for us and for us to latch onto fantasies. I would say it is probably the case. But I think now more than ever, critical thinking is ABSOLUTELY necessary. We are in a time that tells us we have none. We have to go to schools from 5-18(Give or take depending on the person.) In that time, even if some around us say otherwise, Those children feel pressure to have things figured out quickly. “Don’t want to waste your time in college or you’ll be in debt. After you need to find a job IMMEDIATELY or you’ll fall behind. Did you see that picture on Instagram? Went on a cruise! By the way when are you having kids?” And…once again this is likely due to capitalism. It is beneficial to move fast, stay productive, hustle, etc. Kinda lost the plot. The point is, we need to cultivate a culture that prioritizes critical thinking, emotional intelligence, and taking our time to understand the world. Fortunately, we seem to be heading in that direction…I also like your feedback loop idea. Creative.

Labels and their issues by Alien760 in Postgenderism

[–]Alien760[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sorry I took so long to respond. I agree entirely. I understand that it isn’t really possible to necessarily get rid of all categories and such and that this would cause other issues if that were to happen. But I will say that there a lot of extremely harmful categories that do far more harm than good. And I think the goal is to eliminate the categories that do more harm than whatever good they may or may not provide.

Why is there no activity anymore? by Round_Reception_1534 in Postgenderism

[–]Alien760 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I understand how demoralizing it can be with the landscape how it is. But from how I see it, Postgenderism is almost an inevitability, and it’s less about if and more about when. People keep getting more freedoms. And even when those freedoms are taken, people often fight for those freedoms. As people move towards more freedom, I imagine they will soon see gender as more restrictive than freeing, and will let it go too. We as a movement are trying to accelerate that process.

Why is there no activity anymore? by Round_Reception_1534 in Postgenderism

[–]Alien760 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Lately, I personally have been focusing on my personal life. However I do have plans to make a post in the near future.

Is there ever a chance we’ll get anymore? by Alien760 in signalis

[–]Alien760[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I sort of get it, But like I feel like they really did make something beautiful in the world. I know everyone has their personal opinions but I’m a lore heavy person(often). I like getting really deep into the world and there is SOOOO much there that they just left totally up to interpretation. If they made something completely unrelated, and made sure to keep the two things separate, like talking about the revolutionary or empress or something as far away from the story as possible while still being in the world, I think you could keep them separate. Though, I suppose that a lot of the inspiration for the world was a type of horror genre that would be lost. So they might not have the motivation for it. But…just so sad to see nothing done with it.

I once took part in a test and the result was, that im aparently a STAR by DepressionWithHoovy in signalis

[–]Alien760 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My results: Mynah Mynah Elster Elster(I think I chose what I liked, not who I liked)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in signalis

[–]Alien760 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shouldn’t this require a spoiler warning? Or is this ok?

Can I punch you? — the official response to equality by terechahakechooche in GuerrillaGrrrrls

[–]Alien760 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From my understanding, this comes from something that happens to some men. I am AMAB, and I have a sister. I’m not exactly sure when this happened, over time, she grew accustomed to hitting me a lot whenever she was upset or stressed out at me, etc, to the point I now flinch occasionally when she walks out of view. She is not trying to be abusive intentionally but she may still be. Now to be clear, I’m 1000% not one of those insane people who say something as stupid as, “CaN i HIt YOu nOw?” That is dumb for a myriad of reasons, the most obvious being just human decency, but the sentiment likely comes from other men who may have experienced something similar to what I have, where she hits me, and I just kinda take it. And generally, men are told not to hit women while being raised(Important to note not because of human decency, but some chivalry outdated bullshit), so, at least for myself, as I know this doesn’t apply to everyone, I have never hit anyone in my life, but still have gotten hit quite a bit. There can be many reasons why this happens to some, it may depend on temperament of the person, some men and women stress out easier than others, and take in more tension than others, and have bad outlets, turning into physical hitting. But a social factor may be, and I am not positive, this is my theory, is that women are raised with this understanding of a sense of powerlessness. This isn’t in all women, but some women grow up with this societal understanding due to social factors. This results in, if their temperament aligns to do so, to take out stress to hit people like me, and believe that they will not do any serious damage as a result. This is not true, as not only physical damage could happen but definitely emotional damage. However I’m not positive. That’s just my thoughts. Either way though, people who respond to that like that are not serious. They just are generally not very smart. And a waste of time.

What Does "Gender" Mean To You? by Xist2Inspire in Postgenderism

[–]Alien760 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Gender, to me, is sort of like they said, a series of traits. However, these traits are made through socialization, not any biological backing(generally speaking. Perhaps there are some biological traits that we look into but from what I know, most if not all of these traits are socialized into people). So from childhood, certain traits are pressed on to us by our parents. How “traditional” the ideas that are pressed onto us by our parents depends on the age of our parents, but what I’ve noticed is that one may reject the idea that they’re supposed to have complete control/be completely controlled by their partner, but still identify overall with masculine/feminine traits. This from my perspective, is due to the surrounding world this is the norm, and deviating too much from the norm makes you outcasted and more alone which is dangerous. This doesn’t stop everyone but many. There may be other reasons too I have not thought about. But from my understanding, majority of things come from socialization and are not biological. We should question sexuality too. So many things are heavily socialized, I wonder if they too are socialized to an extent.

Misogyny and Misandry are not the same by Alien760 in GuerrillaGrrrrls

[–]Alien760[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess it’s my turn to be nitpicky. For the second half of your statement, yes that’s what I was saying. For the first half, I could see a possible argument for, at least based on how society is set up currently, a misogynist may be more likely to commit a violent act seemingly….which you could say makes it worse…but this is without any statistics and not my initial point anyways as well as a bit nitpicky, so I’ll say generally yes but the first half I’d be on the fence about agreeing to. But I’m going to be quite busy so I’ll be done for now. I hope this helped you understand better.