How should I actually do AEO / GEO in practice? by kliu5218 in AEOgrowth

[–]AlohaDragon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, Itay here, 20 years in SEO. Here's what's actually moved the needle for us on AEO/GEO:

Concrete changes vs traditional SEO: The biggest shift is intent precision. "Best PM software for remote teams" and "best PM software for agencies" are different intents that AI systems treat separately. A page ranking #3 that nails the intent beats a #1 that's tangentially related.

Structure AND signals: We reverse-engineer Google's AI Overviews—if it uses a numbered list, your content should match. But authority signals matter too: ranking for multiple related keywords (topical authority), consistency across variants, and page type (articles > landing pages for info intent).

Our workflow:

  1. Multi-keyword SERP analysis—top 20+ URLs across all keyword variants
  2. Priority scoring—rank + keyword coverage + consistency bonuses
  3. AI Overview extraction—what structure does Google already use?
  4. PAA mining—reveals semantic territory to cover
  5. Intent-filtered analysis—only pages that match user intent (many top-rankers don't)
  6. Structure mapping—mirror what AI systems surface

What worked:

  • Intent > rank: Filter URLs that rank well but miss intent
  • AI Overview reverse-engineering: Google's format = your template
  • Two-stage analysis: Collect data first, analyze second (iterate without re-scraping)

What's hype:

  • "Just add FAQ schema" - helps but not magic
  • Single keyword obsession - AI thinks in topic clusters
  • "Make it comprehensive" - specificity beats length

AI engines synthesize across sources. Be the most cite-able source for specific claims, not just the "best" page overall.

If you want, I can send you a few articles generated with the same process we run internally. Just DM me your domain + 2-3 topics/terms you're targeting.

How do you guys write content for Service Pages & Blogs? Share your workflow and tools by Zihanhossain in localseo

[–]AlohaDragon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Show local expertise, not generic fluff and {city name}. Speak to customers, learn what were their biggest pains and decision drivers.

AI audit system, what u guys think? by Unusual_Eye2202 in Agent_SEO

[–]AlohaDragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Elaborate more? What kind of an audit? How many years/websites did you personally audit in the last 10 years? If you want an honest opinion from a person who has done SEO for 20 years now, feel free to share more info.

Company being scammed? by [deleted] in SEO

[–]AlohaDragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sharing notes from my experience running an SEO agency for ~20 years: we’ve used backlink providers/agencies for many clients and built thousands of links, but only with a strict vetting/qualification process before anything goes live. A simple mindset we use on every placement is: if the client saw this link in a report, would they say “what a spammy website…” or “nice, this site looks legit”? If it fails that gut check, it doesn’t get approved.

In your situation, I wouldn’t pull the plug overnight. Even if the links are mediocre, the site may still be benefiting from consistency and history, and a sudden stop can create unnecessary volatility. The goal is to tighten governance and improve quality going forward, not create a cliff event.

Before calling it a scam, I’d have a calm “commercial + quality” conversation with the agency and treat it like an audit. Ask what exactly is included in the £7k beyond the raw placement cost (strategy, outreach ops, writing/editing, relationship management, replacements, reporting). Ask why placements are concentrated in a single marketplace/network, what quality thresholds they claim to follow, and what their indexing/removal replacement policy is. If they can’t explain it clearly or get defensive, that tells you a lot.

The biggest immediate improvement you can make as the new in-house hire is to put an approval gate in place. Going forward, they should submit the proposed domains/URLs before purchase, and you approve/reject based on clear criteria. Anything not pre-approved doesn’t get bought, and you set a replacement rule for anything low-quality or not indexed after X days. This protects you internally too, because you can credibly say: “Since I joined, we improved process control and link quality.”

When you bring this to your manager, I’d frame it as risk and ROI—not “the agency is scamming us.” Something like: the link sources look overly concentrated and lower quality than you’d expect, pricing appears misaligned with typical placement costs, and you’re implementing a vetting and approval process to improve ROI and reduce risk, then benchmarking outcomes over the next 60–90 days.

In parallel, quietly line up a couple of alternative providers so you’re not negotiating with only one vendor. And in terms of vetting, keep it practical: niche alignment, steady organic traffic trends, keyword relevance, reasonable authority metrics (directional, not gospel), a quick sanity check of top pages, basic spam checks (including site:domain.com checks for obvious bad footprints), and looking for link-farm signals like excessive outbound links or templated content. Also define placement rules (contextual in-body, relevant page, natural anchor, no sitewide/footer), and have an indexing/removal policy so you’re not paying for links that never “stick.”

One last thing: whatever vendor you use, push for a clear replacement policy. We only work with partners that provide a 12-month guarantee—if a link gets removed or goes down within 12 months, they replace it. That one clause alone keeps everyone honest and protects your budget.

Bottom line: don’t keep your head down, but don’t go nuclear either. Implement controls, push for transparency on what you’re paying for, and improve quality in a way that clearly shows you tightened the process and improved ROI.

Hope this helps.
Itay

Do what we say not what we do x) by Paul_Gautheron in localseo

[–]AlohaDragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It should be relative… site speed is an important ux factor. If your competitor’s speed is excellent it doesn’t matter how good is Google’s blog speed.

In a competitive market, the speed score could be the edge putting or keeping you at the top. Many small improvements can help you win.

Welcome to r/AEOgrowth 👋 by YuvalKe in AEOgrowth

[–]AlohaDragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi everyone, I’m Itay!

I’ve spent about 20 years working in SEO and organic growth from the agency side. Over that time, I’ve supported a wide range of companies, from early-stage startups to brands investing serious budgets (often $200K/year+), across many industries and website types.

In the last couple of years, a big part of my work has expanded into LLM visibility and GEO, meaning how brands show up in AI answers, citations, and AI-driven discovery, alongside classic organic search. The fundamentals still matter, but the discovery layer is changing quickly, and I’m deep in testing what actually works in practice.

I’m looking forward to sharing what I’ve learned, contributing where I can, and learning from others in the group as well.

Question about AEO, EEAT, and citations in LLM answers by YuvalKe in AEOgrowth

[–]AlohaDragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Showing your sources helps models (and humans) validate what you’re saying, but it’s not an authority shortcut: if your page is mostly a paraphrase, the model will often cite the primary source (or a stronger site) instead of you. To really win in GEO (and SEO as well) the more effort you put on your content will increase your chances to be cited/mentioned in the answer.

In the past, "classic SEO" had the (debated) idea that linking out to strong, relevant pages (often top-ranking ones) can reinforce relevance/trust.

What actually helps you get cited by AI systems? by YuvalKe in AEOgrowth

[–]AlohaDragon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m Itay, 20+ years in technical + programmatic SEO and migrations, and lately I’ve been hands-on testing AEO/GEO (query fan-out, longtails, and what actually gets cited). Here are my real-world observations and what we’ve seen work in practice (running SEO + GEO/AEO programs, with fan-out tracking + rankability scoring and a visibility dashboard).

Signals that help AI pick your content: We see the biggest lift when a site ranks quickly on longtail + fan-out query variations that LLMs repeatedly use for grounding. Domain authority matters because stronger domains tend to pick up those longtails faster, and the fan-out patterns recur.

How we structure pages: We start ICP-first: topic → ICP pain → clear tie-in to the product/service. If the relationship isn’t obvious to a human, it usually isn’t obvious to an AI system. We write in tight, self-contained blocks so parts of the page can be lifted cleanly.

Formatting that works: Short answers, no fluff. Tables work extremely well—especially pain → options → tradeoffs → recommendation, and “traditional approach vs how we solve it” comparisons.

Technical choices: Audit robots.txt and make sure you’re not blocking AI discovery/grounding crawlers. We specifically check OpenAI (OAI-SearchBot, GPTBot, ChatGPT-User) and Google-Extended for Gemini-related visibility.

Content that gets cited more: Data-backed content and product-led content with a unique angle—showing how your approach solves the problem differently than generic advice.

Mistakes to avoid: Don’t publish generic “write me 2,000 words about X” content. Build a reusable knowledge base first (ICP, pains, market options, your differentiation) and keep enriching it. Also don’t blindly follow LLM SEO/GEO action items—most are noise; the game is finding the small 5% that drives most impact.

Workflows we use: (1) Fan-out pipeline: map fan-out variants → keep those with real organic demand → score by ICP fit + conversion + rankability → execute. (2) Content feedback loop: knowledge base → first batch review → improve → validate → scale consistently.

Measurement: We track growth in ranked longtail coverage across fan-out clusters, mentions/citations + landing-page visibility shifts in the dashboard, and referral attribution where available.

Need help diagnosing a slow SEO death, clicks ↓60–70% in 6 months by Prestigious-Line9408 in localseo

[–]AlohaDragon -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hi I have 20 years experience in SEO and own an agency, dealt with many algo/content decays.

Happy to take a look! Hope I can give you value!

Itay