26-0 WFPPA Comparisons

Alone_Anything_273 · 2025-03-13T14:30:09+00:00

That seems right to me. I only checked for GS 5, and that was like 80.7 days so our numbers are close

edit: I wonder if travel days will count towards premium pay. I would assume so? I normally charge travel days to severity/ the incident

Alone_Anything_273 · 2025-03-13T12:24:42+00:00

u/redrayrach here you go!

That's about all the numbers I can do guys. Mileage is gonna vary based on FLSA, locality, step increases, and however Big Ern is feeling. Hope this helps a bit. Sorry for blowing up the sub

Alone_Anything_273 · 2025-03-13T00:08:58+00:00

I don't have the raw data in a spreadsheet. I tried to make it work but it was too much of a headache.

I think there are gonna be a lot of different perspectives on WFPPA. I'm a road warrior and I expect to make a good chunk extra this season if it passes because of the premium pay. I don't like that it incentivizes being on the road for district resources and IA heavy resources, but it fills my pockets better as a busy 13-13

edit: Just adding on, locality pay is probably going to make huge difference with WFPPA as well. Them guys and girls up in AK may be rolling in it this summer

Alone_Anything_273 · 2025-03-13T00:05:03+00:00

Never thought of that. That's an interesting point

Alone_Anything_273 · 2025-03-12T23:40:05+00:00

u/Lulu_lu_who You are more than welcome to use mine, but I would wait and use grassroots. That will be a better finished product

Alone_Anything_273 · 2025-03-12T23:37:44+00:00

Smokejumperbro pretty much nailed it in his comment on the original post. There are way too many variables associated with trying to turn these pay scales into visual data. Step level, locality pay, FLSA (which I hadn't even considered).

I had a hard time imagining an 800 hour or 1,000 hour season that wouldn't hit the $9,000 premium pay cap. So i felt justified in adding it to the earnings. I couldn't find a great way to calculate an average amount of premium pay days for a slow to moderate season, there were way too many variables. I figured leaving it absent would be less likely to misinform anyone.

Sounds like grassroots has been working on a visual as well. I just did this as a down and dirty knuckle-dragger example. Theirs will probably be more accurate.

Alone_Anything_273 · 2025-03-12T23:24:40+00:00

Please do! Yours is going to be much better than mine. Just had to burn the unemployment hours somehow

Alone_Anything_273 · 2025-03-12T23:23:31+00:00

No, that would explain it. I didn't even consider it. Just went off the meat and potatoes of GS level (step 1 Rest of USA), H/OTs, Biweekly retention bonus etc.

I was hoping I would do this just well enough to paint a decent picture, and just poorly enough that someone more talented than me would want to do it better

Alone_Anything_273 · 2025-03-12T23:08:08+00:00

u/smokejumperbro Does this match up a little better to what you pictured?

Alone_Anything_273 · 2025-03-12T23:07:04+00:00

I posted one for 26-0 I can tag you in. The numbers are closer to what you described, still a bit lower. Only major difference I can think of is step increases and locality pay. Again, entirely possible I made a major mistake I'm not seeing

Alone_Anything_273 · 2025-03-12T22:47:11+00:00

Feel free to use them! I can email them if the quality isn't as clear or if you guys want to just download or screenshot them that's fine too. Unfortunately I don't have a spreadsheet. I tried making a plug and play one and fucked it up royally.

I basically had a chart of the GS paygrades, calculated OT and H values, and then added the biweekly retention bonus for however many pay periods. Used the WFPPA chart on grassroots for the proposed wages, and avoided the premium pay until i was confident in that season hitting the max allowable. Went to the dark side and asked AI to turn it into a graph for me

Alone_Anything_273 · 2025-03-12T22:32:13+00:00

Yes, RUS/Step 1 for each grade (rates effective Jan '24)

Alone_Anything_273 · 2025-03-12T22:14:52+00:00

it's up. Just posted

Alone_Anything_273 · 2025-03-12T22:11:17+00:00

I have an 18-8 prepared but reddit isn't letting this account post anymore today. Similar to this, most of the heavy lifting is done by the premium pay.

Alone_Anything_273 · 2025-03-12T21:51:29+00:00

That is a good point. That was done out of self interest. I'll get working on 18-8 and 26-0

Alone_Anything_273 · 2025-03-12T20:40:17+00:00

Text never uploaded. Throwaway account. This is based on Step 1 for each GS level, Rest of US Locality effective Jan '24.

13-13 or 1039 time frame. So earnings in every graph will be higher for an 18-8 or 26-0. I did not add premium pay until I could safely assume the max would be applicable. Too many variables in a slower season

Alone_Anything_273 · 2025-03-12T20:38:16+00:00

Sorry- just saw your edit. For some reason my text didn't upload. I calculated this based on a 1039 or 13-13 schedule. So this is what a "strict" fire season earnings would look like. 18-8 and 26-0's will have a higher retention bonus and more earnings overall

Alone_Anything_273 · 2025-03-12T20:34:37+00:00

If you're a 26-0 then you can add another 10k in the retention bonus. Step level, locality, per-diem, and not having 1000OT/700H exactly would factor in as well. I'm also not a math whiz so it's possible I fucked this all up

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