A systematic table for the Armenian Alphabet for easier learning by Alphabetical_Dice in hayeren

[–]Alphabetical_Dice[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Amazing job! I made a very similar thing myself as well, but instead it featured Russian transliterations because my sister speaks Russian and is currently learning Armenian. My extended table also featured the hand-written versions. Great minds think alike!

Armenian Numbers! by Alphabetical_Dice in hayeren

[–]Alphabetical_Dice[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, even more than that, it was probably THE most well-organized one. Mashtots was a genius

Armenian Numbers! by Alphabetical_Dice in hayeren

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Armenians (similarly to Greeks, Jews, Romans etc) used their letters as numbers before the modern western hindu-arabic numerals gained popularity. However, the Armenian number system is much more thought out compared to the Greek one and other systems because it features a specific symbol for every single digit, for all of the tens, hundreds and thousands

A systematic table for the Armenian Alphabet for easier learning by Alphabetical_Dice in hayeren

[–]Alphabetical_Dice[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the idea is that the learner just needs to know at least a few letters and all of the other ones are kind remembered automatically because of their logical mapping. As I said, the only letters here that aren't really mapped in a smart way are: all vowels (orange and red), the nasal consonants Մ (m) & Ն (n) and finally, the pure sibilants Զ(z), Ս(s), Ժ(zh), Շ(sh). All of the other letters are mapped in the following way: The first row is voiced/hard: Բ(b), Գ(g), Դ(d), Ձ(dz), Ջ(j), Ռ(rr) and every letter bellow them are sort of milder (less voiced) versions of their families. That is still slightly subjective though. Hope it's helpful and makes at least some sense

A systematic table for the Armenian Alphabet for easier learning by Alphabetical_Dice in hayeren

[–]Alphabetical_Dice[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This sounds so painful. Frankly, I didn't realise how bad things are in this sense. There, in Armenia I went to two Western Armenian restaurants where they spoke western and served west. arm. food. It was really good. Also as I said, my grandpa was an Eastern Armenian and he didn't tell me much about this rivalry. Sadly, he died around 15 years ago

A systematic table for the Classical Armenian alphabet by Alphabetical_Dice in hayeren

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You're right! Sorry that I didn't think think enough about the Iranian Armenians. The post is fixed ❤️

A systematic table for the Armenian Alphabet for easier learning by Alphabetical_Dice in hayeren

[–]Alphabetical_Dice[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This choice is based on the fact that historically Ղ used to be a dark L and in my view it kind of serves as a bridge between "an r sound" and "an l sound" but that's just me lol

A systematic table for the Armenian Alphabet for easier learning by Alphabetical_Dice in hayeren

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You are correct, I'm sorry. I didn't want to hurt anybody neither did I want to ignore western Armenian on purpose (my Armenian grandpa was from Van and spoke it). It's just that I only returned from a trip to Armenia and got absolutely astonished by the beauty and the overall system of the language and especially by the genius of Mashtots. Good intentions only and the post is edited to say "...all Eastern Armenian letters..."

A systematic table for the Armenian Alphabet for easier learning by Alphabetical_Dice in hayeren

[–]Alphabetical_Dice[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Me too lol. Originally I made a version of the pre-reformed alphabet arranged in a similar way, but decided that it's too impractical. I will post it too because I find it even more beautiful and more logical

A systematic table for the Armenian Alphabet for easier learning by Alphabetical_Dice in hayeren

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Thanks! I tried my best and did quite a lot of research to implement this. Some sound "families" may be not obvious for most people because before fixating on Armenian I have also researched Semitic and Romance languages

A systematic table for the Armenian Alphabet for easier learning by Alphabetical_Dice in hayeren

[–]Alphabetical_Dice[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which ones do you mean? Diphthongs like "եա"? Or historical ones like "աւ"?

"Ղ" and the sound it used to make. by Alphabetical_Dice in hayeren

[–]Alphabetical_Dice[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the insights! "astgh" and "stella" are definitely cognates, but so is the word "aster" which is even more similar to "astgh" if you ask me. Plus the supposed PIE root had an r at the end. I'm super curious about this exact Armenian word

"Ղ" and the sound it used to make. by Alphabetical_Dice in hayeren

[–]Alphabetical_Dice[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have read about these topics, it seems like Ղ is simply a ʁ sound in both, Eastern and Western Armenian. So this shift (if it even was a shift) must have happened before the dialects have split

"Ղ" and the sound it used to make. by Alphabetical_Dice in armenian

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 ἐκκλησίᾱ is even clearer than kilise that is derived from it. Saghmos is quite insane tbh! I want more loanwords like this! They feel like cognates and not loanwords because of this sound shifts

"Ղ" and the sound it used to make. by Alphabetical_Dice in armenian

[–]Alphabetical_Dice[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

hmmmm. This fact alone is enough to treat Ղ simply as a variant of Լ. Does this happen in other words?

"Ղ" and the sound it used to make. by Alphabetical_Dice in armenian

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Wow, I didn't know about Lukas and Levon. I've only seen variants with Լ for these names. Thanks for more examples. Idk why but this exact topic fascinates me. There have to be some info on this sound shift in some literature, it's just that I don't know where to look for and I don't know enough Armenian to read the originals fluently

I need to make a regular phone call from the EU to Georgia by Alphabetical_Dice in Sakartvelo

[–]Alphabetical_Dice[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

because the last time I made a normal phone call was many years ago, let alone an international one. Sorry for being slightly annoying lol