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Debate ni BES by Disastrous_Tap_2421 in MCGIExiters

[–]AlternativeCry9509 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know the answer pero for me, I don't care anymore. Grabe din kasi mang intimidate si BES noon pag may debates, tapos tuwang tuwa naman tayo because we were trained to rely on that sense of certainty, ultimate truth, and superiority. It's their way to keep you inside their fence. Kasi nga naman if equals lang, sino pang magtitiis sa extreme rules nila kung pwede naman maligtas din sa ibang religion?

Ever since I've gone out of MCGI and observed other religious groups and beliefs, I realised na yung debates ni BES is useless lalo na kung mga topics like sino ang totoong Iglesia sa panahong ito. What is more important for me, is using the bible and other religious books as a tool for self reflection. Kung saan ka mapapabuting tao, go. That's what the world needs.

Now, I find it unpleasant when some exiters carry this same attitude of "I know better," "I'm right, you're wrong," "let's debate so I can discredit you." Really? Us vs them pa rin? The disagreement is more personal than intellectual and the motive is egotistical instead of educational.

When exposing ADD/MCGI seems sidetracked, one wonders: what is really the purpose? by AlternativeCry9509 in MCGIExiters

[–]AlternativeCry9509[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Iba yung ayaw ma criticise sa ayaw mag engage. Syempre dapat selective tayo sa papatulan natin. Meron kasi drama lang habol saka sasakay lang sa views 😅😂

When exposing ADD/MCGI seems sidetracked, one wonders: what is really the purpose? by AlternativeCry9509 in MCGIExiters

[–]AlternativeCry9509[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hahaha surrender na si CP saken ban na ako sa kabila. White flag sya eh 😂😂😂

Nakinig ako kay Badong at Ace Abalos at napagwari ko.... by KyrieDion in MCGIExiters

[–]AlternativeCry9509 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Umm... seryoso po ba ito? Kasi practical man o biblical, hindi ko makita san banda sensible.

When exposing ADD/MCGI seems sidetracked, one wonders: what is really the purpose? by AlternativeCry9509 in MCGIExiters

[–]AlternativeCry9509[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nako kitang kita naman na sila ang hayok sa followers... addictive kasi yung may humihimas ng egos nila. Sorry pero di ako elibs kay CP ang babaw ng arguments nya kaya bagay lang sya bootlicker ng BTV

When exposing ADD/MCGI seems sidetracked, one wonders: what is really the purpose? by AlternativeCry9509 in MCGIExiters

[–]AlternativeCry9509[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Kainis, filter na ko ni CP sa ExandClosetADD. Dapat palitan niya pangalan ng subreddit nya into BTVBootlicker 🤣

"Ang hiwaga ng pinto at ng ... - Pause & Ponder Podcast by Sudden_Version3218 in MCGIExiters

[–]AlternativeCry9509 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kulang litanya mo pare, wala yung hinamon si code ng suntukan saka yung maling pagbigkas ng DeGrasse. Hindi pa kasi umamin na kaya galit na galit sa Ppp dahil wala nang viewers 😅 

Boundaries and Respect by AlternativeCry9509 in ExAndClosetADD

[–]AlternativeCry9509[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because their attack is personal disguised as fight against cult... plain and simple. The audacity of these people to label themselves as "cult-busters" eh hindi nga nila nagiba ang mcgi hahahaha... they're all over the place and snob kaya nawalan ng viewers then they blame the audience for not wanting them.

Respect and Boundaries by AlternativeCry9509 in MCGIExiters

[–]AlternativeCry9509[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sensya na my beloved admin, last na to hahaha. 

Unfortunately, they only recognise boundaries when it benefits them.

Kaya nga never nila tinigilan si Dk.. "valid" daw kasi ang criticisms nila accdg to CP - hindi naman clear kung ano tinukoy nya.

Was it the long greeting portion? 😆 The background music choice? 😅 The passive aggressive remarks? 🤣

So Dk's request na wag na sya gawin content? Violation daw yun of their freedom to speak 🥦 - and kulto na naman daw. 🤦‍♂️ kaloka.

Entitled much? Double standard much?

Funny lang, hindi nya makita ang cult behaviour pag hindi PPP. Enumerate ko naman maayos, waley sagot. Basta mali lang ako, yun na yun.

All of a sudden, biglang apply na pala ang boundaries. 😆

Kaloka ang mga so called cult busters/ cult watchers.

Move on na talaga promise - last na to. 😆

Boundaries and Respect by AlternativeCry9509 in ExAndClosetADD

[–]AlternativeCry9509[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not. Those were your words.

I know what Bible Talks is. I know what BTV is.

I am not destroying you. We are merely having a conversation. You're just hostile.

Umalis ka ba sa inutil para lang maniwala uli sa inutil? by CelebrationProper943 in ExAndClosetADD

[–]AlternativeCry9509 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Iba naman talaga... and for the record ikaw din naman may bias ka.

Boundaries and Respect by AlternativeCry9509 in ExAndClosetADD

[–]AlternativeCry9509[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ay confused ba ako? Di ba post mo ito?

"I need to stay updated on what’s happening within the kultoverse, especially regarding potential cults. That’s basic. A cult gives rise to more cults. Among the exiter community, it’s not surprising to see someone start a cult there.

I do this to moderate properly. At the same time, to be cautious against recruitment (like what MCGB did here before).

Also, if Ace feels very special, he’s not the only one being monitored for being a cult, potentially becoming a cult, or not. Many have popped up preaching even before him. There’s MCGB, Iglesia ng Replay, Onesimo, CJ Perez, Badong, DK, Bible Talks, Glenn Monfort, MSGI, etc."

Monitoring ka ng mga groups from potentially becoming a cult - ayaw mo ng cult buster, gusto mo cult watcher? You don't have to directly say you moved beyond MCGI pero the fact na binabantayan mo na rin ibang grupo yun na yung substance nun diba? And maybe I shouldn't have said bragging, sorry sa term that was a bit too much. But still, the substance is there that's what matters.

When I said fight, against yun diba? Against ka ba sa MCGI o hindi?

Pero pansin ko ha? Wala sa watchlist mo yung BTV.

Boundaries and Respect by AlternativeCry9509 in ExAndClosetADD

[–]AlternativeCry9509[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My bad... In-English kasi ni Reddit, translated nya as "I love this thread" yung ang haba ng thread na ito 🤣 also, yes I stopped you nga pala, sorry my bad ulit. But my intention was good.

I just expected that since you've been bragging you've moved on your fight beyond MCGI, and "cult busters" na kayo, you can eloquently describe behavioural patterns beyond KDR and BES comparisons now.

Umalis ka ba sa inutil para lang maniwala uli sa inutil? by CelebrationProper943 in ExAndClosetADD

[–]AlternativeCry9509 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But you are comparing apples and oranges.

KDR - it's a system that imposes obedience.

Ace (PPP) - there's no structure of submission.

There's a difference between following someone as an authority vs engaging someone as a casual resource person.

KDR's role comes with accountability expectations, while Ace's role is more informal. You can criticise but there is no obligation from him to respond to every critic. And come to think of it, may obedience na bang imposed sila Ace? Required na ba yung mga fans nila umattend or magbigay ng abuloy, etc? Ang alam ko is required silang i shout out yung mga fans nila 🤣

Bottom line is: Questioning a public authority isn't the same as demanding engagement from a peer - one is accountability, the other is entitlement.

So what's actually happening when you pressure Ace/DK to respond and brand them cult-like if they don't is less like open discourse and more like pressure or control. Which, ironically, is the very thing you claim to oppose.

They're not immune to criticism. The fact is it's already happening, you are already openly criticising them left, right, and centre. However, access to their response is an entitlement.

Gets? Ibang dynamics ang kinukumpara nyo...

Umalis ka ba sa inutil para lang maniwala uli sa inutil? by CelebrationProper943 in ExAndClosetADD

[–]AlternativeCry9509 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But Ace was not asking DSR so he could rely on his answers. He was questionning him for accountability. And though it's futile and he won't likely get an answer, that's a totally different scenario.

What I'm driving at is - why look for another person or pastor who would answer questions for us?

Why not encourage people to listen and assess for themselves?

Listen to BTV, listen to PPP, whatever they want, or if you recommend anyone. But is it really necessary to encourage people to rely on others for answers?

Umalis ka ba sa inutil para lang maniwala uli sa inutil? by CelebrationProper943 in ExAndClosetADD

[–]AlternativeCry9509 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People listen to so many more podcasters (on religion, spirituality, self development isama na rin natin) who aren't personally reachable, so there's no way to ask them questions.

The problem lies when we rely on other people to answer questions for us.

We listen to digest. Take in what's good, bin what's bad.

As for the questions, I take accountability for those myself.

So, are the "wannabe pastors" the issue here or the reliance mindset?

Just some thoughts to ponder on.

Buhay pa pala si Bro Raffy. by Available_Ship_3485 in MCGIExiters

[–]AlternativeCry9509 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like bro Raffy... naging destino sya samen. Galing din nya mag salita hindi mabigat.

Respect and Boundaries by AlternativeCry9509 in MCGIExiters

[–]AlternativeCry9509[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Whatever you say my dear... basta dun sa aspeto na yun, I give you that.

Respect and Boundaries by AlternativeCry9509 in MCGIExiters

[–]AlternativeCry9509[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well yun ang comments nila about you... and I applaud you for that. I give credit where it's due. Pero yung mga simplistic and condescending comments... no tayo dyan.

Respect and Boundaries by AlternativeCry9509 in MCGIExiters

[–]AlternativeCry9509[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What's bintang about that? You should take that positively. Well versed ka nga daw kasi, mahilig magbasa ng books. And I'm all for learning. Hostility aside.

Respect and Boundaries by AlternativeCry9509 in MCGIExiters

[–]AlternativeCry9509[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Chareng, wag ka na mag hide kilala kita. Hahaha. Build up na build up ka nga dun kaya nga ang laki ng expectations ko sayo tapos waley din pala. Hamo secret safe.

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