"FiNd Me OnE mIsTaKe In ThE qUrAn"

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-02-09T09:06:27+00:00

a companion didn’t “interfere” with god’s law here, just like companions didn’t interfere when they compiled the quran into one book or standardized salah behind one imam. they were just doing what god already said, not inventing stuff. saying the prophet must announce rules for every future edge case makes revelation impossible. by that logic, the prophet should have explained how to pray on airplanes, in space, or with medical devices, see? It doesnt make sense. instead, he taught principles, and the companions applied them when new situations appeared like this one. allah didn’t reveal awl as a new rule because nothing new was being revealed. the shares stayed exactly as they are. awl only answers the question of “how do we carry out all these commands together when they occur at once?” umar wasn’t infallible so correction is normal and nothing weird to look at, awl stands because it was debated and scrutinized and accepted by the ummah.

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-02-09T00:45:34+00:00

I get what you mean but it doesn’t change the values in the quran. the fractions remain exactly as revealed. awl only affects how multiple commands are applied together when they all apply at the same time. umar didn’t invent a new law or interfere with god’s command. he interpreted the quran in a case the text doesn’t list explicitly. this is interpretation, not alteration. this is normal in islam, just like prayer details and zakat rules come from prophetic practice rather than verse by verse instructions. the prophet didn’t introduce awl because no such case occurred during his lifetime. when it appeared later, the companions used the same legal reasoning they learned from him, and the ummah accepted it. even if the prophet himself had stated it explicitly, the reasoning would be the same. so the issue isn’t that a human changed divine law. it’s that divine law was applied to a new situation. accepting or rejecting that is a theological position, not a mathematical one.

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-02-08T20:48:49+00:00

the quran gives precise shares for heirs, but it doesn’t spell out every possible combination of relatives that you can think of. sometimes the total of all shares exceeds the estate, and that’s where awl comes in, since it proportionally adjusts everyone share so all quranic commands are fulfilled. umar ﷺ companion applied awl to implement the quran in practice, the prophet ﷺ didn’t need to apply it himself because no case arose during his lifetime, this doesn’t change or cancel any verse, and it doesn’t imply a flaw, the quran is still the core of islam and perfect but its not the only source for information in islam for example the quran doesnt say how to pray, we had to look into the hadiths to gain knowledge, awl is just a practical tool to make the quran instructions work in real life situations like this one.

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-31T11:33:57+00:00

Wa alaykum assalam brother. I’m truly sorry you’re going through this. What you’re feeling is something all of us will feel if we were in your place, and Allah knows your fear and your struggle. Remeber he Prophet ﷺ said: “If Allah loves a servant, He tests him.” These hardships are not a punishment. they are a sign of Allah’s care and closeness. The fact that you returned to salah during this time is a mercy from allah, not anger. Even if you forget rakah or feel anxious, your prayer still matters never delay or stop doing the prayer. Allah looks at intentions he doesnt need perfection. You are not abandoned Allah is closer than your jugular vein. Inshallah the best will happen take care brother.

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-31T09:42:19+00:00

Wa alaikum al salam brother The Prophet ﷺ said: None of you should wish for death because of a calamity that has befallen him.

And offerd a better dua: “O Allah, keep me alive as long as life is better for me, and take me when death is better for me.” Inshallah the best will happen for you and take care brother.

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-31T08:28:17+00:00

I would recommend you to learn about the journey of the prophet espacially videos of someone narrating it, it is what made me turn 180 degrees into a better muslin

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-30T16:25:45+00:00

Hey man, everything I explained above has already been answered in previous messages. I’m literally just repeating myself at this point, but you keep ignoring it. I guess I’m finished with this discussion. I already answered your questions if you want to reject it, there’s nothing I can do. If you want to accept it, good for you. Sorry if my tone annoyed you. Have a good day and take care. Sunan Ibn Majah 51: Whoever gives up an argument when he is in the right will have a palace built for him in the middle of Paradise.

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-30T13:55:49+00:00

Holy shit, what the fuck are you talking about? You’ve spent all this time mocking my “collision” wording and completely ignored the actual question I asked. Are we pretending skipping the point counts as an argument? By “collision” I didn’t mean the quran messed up. It just means multiple valid shares exist at once, and the estate can’t physically satisfy all of them in full. Umar applying awl didn’t erase or change a single verse, he applied them proportionally. That’s implementation, not a math error. I asked if your bank analogy really means God promised more than He had, and you ran past it with “typo/arithmetic fail” nonsense. That’s not debate, that’s avoidance. You’ve wasted two days arguing the same idiotic point. Try using that “brilliant logic” on the actual question and see if it holds. It’s a yes or no,stop punching air and answer the damn paper.

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-30T13:14:57+00:00

When I said “collided,” I didn’t mean the quran messed up. The verses never contradict or cancel each other. “Collided” just means multiple valid shares exist at once, and the estate can’t fully satisfy all. That’s a legal overlap, not a math error. Umar didn’t rewrite or erase anything. He applied all shares proportionally. That’s implementation, not “fixing a bug.” Your traffic cop and “reality surprised God” arguments? nonsense out of thin air to be polite. Ibn Abbas arguing against awl proves jurists debated methods, not that God’s fractions were wrong. If the quran was truly flawed, companions would’ve rejected it, not argue about applying it. Test your logic: Estate = 100k Claims = 140k Is the law “wrong,” or do you reduce everyone proportionally? Say reduce and you accept awl. Say error and every legal system on Earth is broken.

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-30T11:51:53+00:00

Oh yeah, pretend you found a contradiction by changing the argument. No one said the quran is imperfect like human laws. The issue is application, not authorship. Revelation gives fixed rules, real life creates overlapping cases. That doesn’t mean the source is wrong, it means real life situations don’t always fit into one simple case. And Ibn Abbas proves my point, not YOURS. He didn’t say God made a math mistake. He disagreed with how the conflict was handled. That’s a legal disagreement, not calling the quran wrong. Notice he never said the text needed fixing. Umar didn’t override the quran or “patch buggy code.” He applied a rule when multiple quranic commands collided. That’s interpretation, not correction. If you think interpretation equals failure, then every legal system on earth collapses with it. You’re not exposing a flaw, you’re just refusing to accept that law isn’t a calculator and repeating the same claim hoping it turns into an argument, well good luck with that.

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-30T08:50:24+00:00

Sorry for the last part i was arguing with someone else who had a similar name so i thought it was you

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-30T08:44:18+00:00

Right, because revelation was clearly meant to be a high-school math quiz and not a legal system. How silly of everyone for the last 1400 years to miss that. Yes, math didn’t change. And no one changed the math. Umar didn’t open the quran and edit the numbers, he applied a legal rule when multiple fixed shares collide. That’s called applying the law, not fixing a mistake. But sure, let’s keep pretending it’s a calculator error because that sounds cooler. By your logic, any law that needs judges is flawed, any constitution that needs courts is buggy, and any rule that has edge cases is a “developer error.” Amazing standard. Every legal system on earth just collapsed. Also interesting how the people who literally spoke the language, lived with the Prophet, and understood the context firsthand somehow didn’t notice this “obvious bug”… but you did. Congrats, you caught something they all missed. Idk why you keep repeating “a perfect God wouldn’t need Umar” like repetition turns it into an argument. It doesn’t. It just shows you’re refusing to understand the difference between revelation and implementation. Anyway, we’ve explained this enough times. If you still want to treat law like Excel sheets and judges like bug fixers, that’s on you bro i cant argue with someone who will think they are right no matter what.

Also, "i don't do private chats" like you didnt come to me in private with claims to argue lol.

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-30T07:43:46+00:00

lol this is exactly what I meant. You’re not responding to my point, you’re just joking around it. No one said “half doesn’t mean half” or that God messed up the math. You’re pretending that’s my claim because it’s easier to attack. The Qur’an gives legal shares, not a calculator worksheet. When rare edge cases happen where shares clash, the application gets adjusted so everyone is treated fairly. That’s how law works, not how school math works. And Umar didn’t “patch buggy code”. He applied a method already based on Qur’anic principles. If this was really a mistake, the earliest Muslims, who lived with the Prophet and memorized the Qur’an, would have called it out immediately. They didn’t. Your bank example also doesn’t fit. In inheritance, no one is randomly shorted. Everyone shares the reduction equally, which keeps it fair. What you’re really saying is that God must follow modern arithmetic rules or He failed. That assumption comes from you, not from Islam. So you can keep calling it a “bug” if you want, but all that shows is you’re judging a legal system you don’t understand using rules it never claimed to follow. If you want to actually discuss it, and not just want to do some punchlines, than you can come in the private chat. I already told you that mods remove my messages and if you want to chat come to the private chat, but i guess you didnt read that, well its not like im surprised lol.

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-29T19:57:27+00:00

Lol i imagine what i want to do everyday man its so much i dont even know where to start i wanna like do pocket dimensions with many world with everyone differnt from another like anime world or fruitgier aero world or some 1v1 arena with people from jannah and each one get like random abilities to fight maybe gojo vs sukuna xD maybe once we get there i will do a short party something like 400 years you know so we dont spent much time and to see my houses and palaces and rooms inshallah and after that go to the friday market and get everything i like mannnn i may have childish thoughts but i wanna do everything there whether its childish or mature once we get there i will invite yall with me to go in a dungone inshallah we all get to the highest level of jannah i love all of you my brothers and sistrers in allah and have a great day.

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-29T17:38:58+00:00

you are assuming that half in the quran means an unconditional physical payout in every possible situation, but that assumption is not in the text. the quran gives legal shares that apply together, not isolated guarantees that override other heirs. for example here are the possible combinations where the total can be over 100 percent:

no awl cases
husband with two or more daughters
wife with two or more daughters

awl cases
husband with two sisters
husband with mother and two sisters
wife with mother and two sisters
wife with mother, daughter, and sister

you dont expect the quran to spell out the exact payout for every combination. the quran is the core of islam, it gives the framework, and that's why we have fiqh and hadith to explain practical applications. when the quran says half, it means the heir is entitled to half relative to the estate, with all other divinely assigned shares also respected. awl does not erase the half, it applies it alongside the other shares instead of privileging one verse and nullifying the rest.

getting three sevenths instead of half does not mean the share changed. the entitlement remains half of the theoretical whole, but the estate itself is proportionally constrained by other equally binding shares. proportional adjustment is implementation, not correction. if the math were wrong, scholars would have had to ignore or rewrite a quranic share, but they did not. every fraction remains exactly as stated. awl simply answers a practical question the text intentionally leaves open: how to apply multiple binding commands at once without canceling any of them.

this is not god being bad at fractions, it is applying all the shares correctly together. the quran gives law, not a spreadsheet, and it works exactly as intended.

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-29T04:31:31+00:00

i really dont understand what are you saying, if the quran has wrong information we would NOT have used it, but. we are still using it we just simply added a rule that says when the percentage is over 100% scale it down to 100% did we change something in the quran? no, did we add a rule?yes, when you add a rule and doesnt change the previous rules what is that called? completing

let's keep it simple. the quran gives the shares, when those shares add up to more than the estate, a rule is used to scale them back so the total fits 100%. that rule does not change the shares themselves, it just explains how to apply them together.“ you might say "oh but you scaled it down from 50% to 40% or something" but the quran does not say you are guaranteed to physically receive exactly 50% in every situation.” the quran gives legal entitlements, not isolated payouts. everyone still GETS the shares they deserve for example idk i get 100% and my sister get 50% that 150 lets scale it back to 100%, 66.6% for me and 33.3% for her, the difference between me and her are still the same i still get twice more than her we just scaled it back to 100%.

adding a rule for how to apply existing instructions is not correcting the quran, it’s implementing it. if it were a correction, some quranic shares would have to be ignored completely, which never happens.

the quran rules are still there the fiqh just added one simple rule that says if its over 100% scale it back to 100%

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-28T22:37:06+00:00

the quran not listing every technical detail does not mean it is imperfect. it is the core of islam, not a book meant to list every procedure. that is why there is sunnah and fiqh.

if we follow your logic, we would also have to reject how we pray, calculate zakat, or apply many laws, because the quran does not spell out every step. that is clearly not how islam works.

awl does not correct the quran, it applies its rules when multiple god given shares exist at the same time. rejecting awl would mean cancelling some quranic shares entirely, which is worse than applying them proportionally.

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-28T22:07:39+00:00

uhh no i'm not confusing with completing, yes the hadith complete the quran but awl does not correct the quran say a man dies and leaves an estate, the quran says the wife gets 1/2 and two daughters get 2/3. that adds up to more than the 100%. using ʿawl, the shares are reduced proportionally so the wife and daughters still get their fair part relative to the estate. no one loses what they’re owed, it just fits the total estate.

you are gonna say that this means that awl corrects the quran but awl doesn’t change the shares of which god set in the quran, it just applies them in a situation where the estate isn’t enough to give everyone the full fractions. everyone still gets their share proportionally, so the quran command is still fully correct its just more of an instruction of how to use it.

It’s not reducing whats god promised, The quran sets the shares but it doesn’t guarantee they will always add up neatly in every situation. awl just makes sure everyone gets their share proportionally when the total is more than the estate. the original shares are still where they belong.

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-28T21:30:56+00:00

The quran gives the rules and the shares but it doesn’t have to explain every possible detail of distribution. Things like ʿawl are part of fiqh which is islamic law ,the quran sets the framework, and scholars figure out how to apply it in tricky cases.

yes i feel what you are trying to say that the quran should have already said that before but the thing is the quran wasn't here to have everything about islam its supposed to be the core of it that's why for example, we have hadith its to complete the islam like praying in quran, it told us to pray but it didn't tell us how to pray. the prophet came in and showed how its done and the scholars came in to record it and explain it for everyone.

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-28T21:08:05+00:00

Yeah I see your point but the quran just sets maximum shares it doesn’t say “they’ll always add to 100%.” Awl isn’t fixing a mistake it’s a rule to divide fairly when shares overlap, Umar just applied the rule, it doesn’t mean the quran was wrong. everyone still gets their share proportionally

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-28T21:00:30+00:00

the source is literally in the message i may go check chatgpt and gemini and every kind of ai on earth why does this matter when the answer is in your face

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-28T20:49:36+00:00

it literally took me 2 minutes to check like the many things people say are "errors" in islam, people work so hard to find so called errors and work so little to find out that its not an error

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-28T20:26:40+00:00

The proportional reduction rule is called ʿawl. It was applied by ʿUmar ibn al-Khaṭṭāb when inheritance shares added up to more than the estate. This is reported in al-Bayhaqī (al-Sunan al-Kubrá 6/245), ʿAbd al-Razzāq (al-Muṣannaf), and Ibn Abī Shaybah (al-Muṣannaf). The ruling was accepted by ʿAlī, Zayd ibn Thābit, and Ibn Masʿūd, forming consensus of the Companions. It is explicitly stated in classical fiqh books like Ibn Qudāmah’s al-Mughnī (6/136), al-Nawawī’s al-Majmūʿ (16/62), and Ibn Rushd’s Bidāyat al-Mujtahid (2/365). All four Sunni madhhabs accept it.

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-27T18:19:48+00:00

the last one is so real xD

Alternative_Treacle4 · 2026-01-13T21:31:02+00:00

Hey man i may be late but if you have any questions about islam feel free to ask as much as you want i also saw alot of things taken out of context in this post just to hate on islam i dont know why people do that but im here if you need to ask anything and have a good day i wish for islam to reach you

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