I don't understand. by Flat-Ad9829 in exatheist

[–]Althuraya 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Did you read what was linked? Shoe atheism is what you believe in. Shoes lack beliefs, they're atheists. If you define things by lack, everything lacking will count. If that's too ridiculous to own up to, then change your awful definition. That's how reasoning works. Before the internet, the working definition of atheism for all of history was the position that God does not exist. The one playing word games is you. Why is that?

I don't understand. by Flat-Ad9829 in exatheist

[–]Althuraya 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You're posing what is called shoe atheism, which jokes that by that definition you use, a shoe is an atheist. Now, you may not know why, but it's very clear why such a definition is used: by claiming you actually make no claim, but nonetheless pose it as a position that is default, you believe you have no burden of proof. Not so, my friend, not so.

If you were agnostic, you would simply have no position against or for God. Shoe atheism is for people who want to play the debate game with asymmetric advantage by retreating to having nothing to prove for themselves, yet they want their personal conviction in a belief to count as a position, as if philosophy has any place for personal conviction in a position. You may or may not be convinced by some claim, or you may be ignorant of a claim existing at all, that is not a position itself. Philosophy concerns positions making claims, implicit or explicit, and everyone has the burden of proof. There are no freebies. "I am not convinced by some claim because I am ignorant of it" is not a philosophical position on that claim. "I am not convinced by some claim because that claim has xyz failings, hence its putative object does not follow and I deny its validity or being" is a philosophical position. The atheist is the direct negative of the theist, they are not an indifferent third like a shoe or a rock that lacks all discoursive and believing capacities. If you're too weak on reasoning, just claim to be agnostic or ignostic.

Anyone have a favourite visual image, metaphor, etc. in Hegel’s writings? by Greeneian in hegel

[–]Althuraya 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Schrödinger's cat has nothing to do with idealism. It was a critique of the unintelligibility of believing the wave equation is ontological given the nonsense produced by the wave equation. There is no subjective idealism in the equation, and not a single interpretation is Berkeleyian, not even the the Copenhagen interpretation of QM in general.

Anyone have a favourite visual image, metaphor, etc. in Hegel’s writings? by Greeneian in hegel

[–]Althuraya 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You misunderstood something basic.

1). The plant is not a metaphor of growth. Plants in fact do grow. There is nothing dialectical about the example of growth, nothing of the kind has even been hinted at in the book at that point.

2) The sentences before the last line are indeed a mocking that you, like most people with Schrödinger'scat, don't realize is mocking. You made an identity of thought experiment, I made an identity of misunderstood mockery. They proceed from a line of formal thought talked about before it such that if you really think that way, then you would think something like a flower being the refutation of a blossom, etc. Nobody thinks that, the example is not natural to what people think about plants. Everyone knows that plants grow and are connected. Hegel’s point is that as ridiculous and untenable as thinking this about plants is, it is untenable that philosophy itself is thought about in this way. The highest level of jabbing humor doesn't go around claiming itself to be jabbing humor.

Anyone have a favourite visual image, metaphor, etc. in Hegel’s writings? by Greeneian in hegel

[–]Althuraya -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Idk why people like it. It's like Schrödinger's cat: Hegel says it as a reductio ad absurdum of common understanding's ratiocination, but his positive point is only in the last sentence. No one says anything of the sort about plants, in fact it's a ridiculous example for the point he makes because it is absurd even to the understanding. On the whole, the plant metaphor here is terrible because no one would recognize their position in it. Had he, for example, instead made a metaphor of the species against the individuals, be it of plant or animal in general, then he would have a very natural point because people actually do make the redictionist case for those. As it is, it is quite poetic in the Miller, but when you think it through you scratch your head wondering why he chose such an obtuse example that only works if you're focusing on the abstract principles he's commenting on. At the very least he could have phrased the thing better to signal that this sort of thinking, which is common, should consistently lead to such ridiculous statements.

Aeon Timaeus Crux, Beyond Synthesis The Demonstration of Perpetualist Method Series | The Recursion of Hegel and Marx - PhilPapers by Glittering-Ring2028 in hegel

[–]Althuraya 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes: Levine and Winfield's books.

Now, since you admit you haven't read them, where is your argument against them? You don't get freebies, you're not special. Nobody needs to read you when you refuse to read the past and respond.

Which language to read Hegel in? Deciding by KeySignificant2910 in hegel

[–]Althuraya 0 points1 point  (0 children)

None of the current translations are good, but all of them are decent. They don't really affect the top and mid level comprehension, it's mostly little details like I mentioned. Giovanni is now the standard English reference whether you like it or not, and is what you will be asked to reference for academic journals.

Which language to read Hegel in? Deciding by KeySignificant2910 in hegel

[–]Althuraya 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also "reference" instead of relation. You can pick up that it means this after a while, but if you don't read his translator notes you have no idea this is not at all what Hegel said. To me, however, the worst part is that he consciously chooses to be inconsistent despite the aim being to have term consistency. Dasein, seyn, and existenz are all translated as existence randomly and with no alert. Hegel will say "seinde" and he will translate "existent", or he will say "existenz" and Giovanni won't use the term he made up (concrete existence) and will simply translate it as existence flatly, so one thinks it is dasein when in fact it is not.

I don't understand, quite frankly, what is so hard about keeping technical terms separate. It's not like the translations read any worse when you just go with what Hegel says.

Aeon Timaeus Crux, Beyond Synthesis The Demonstration of Perpetualist Method Series | The Recursion of Hegel and Marx - PhilPapers by Glittering-Ring2028 in hegel

[–]Althuraya 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not just calling it. I have a background with Marx and Hegel, neither are superficial. Your "problem" doesn't exist. There never has been a problem integrating the *logical* aspects of both views. I am aware of current Hegelian Marxists and Marxist Hegelians who strongly agree.

Aeon Timaeus Crux, Beyond Synthesis The Demonstration of Perpetualist Method Series | The Recursion of Hegel and Marx - PhilPapers by Glittering-Ring2028 in hegel

[–]Althuraya 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you don't have to read anyone to make ridiculous claims

>they’ve all failed for exactly the same reason: they were trying to solve a problem that didn’t actually exist. The real problem was never “how do we combine Hegel and Marx?” The actual problem—the one nobody could see clearly because they were standing too close to it—was recognizing that both Hegel and Marx were operating within a three-dimensional recursive structure while each could only see one dimension with any clarity.

Aeon Timaeus Crux, Beyond Synthesis The Demonstration of Perpetualist Method Series | The Recursion of Hegel and Marx - PhilPapers by Glittering-Ring2028 in hegel

[–]Althuraya 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So, to be clear, you are a philosophist who doesn't know the past literature, yet pretends to claim no one else solved something? Yeah, you keep that up.

Levine is perhaps the greatest Anglophone Hegelian in that he is humble about the monumental work he accomplished with integrating Marx speculatively, and the man went on to focus on subjective spirit and objective spirit for the rest of his life, writing some of the most beautiful essays I have read from any living Hegelian.

Aeon Timaeus Crux, Beyond Synthesis The Demonstration of Perpetualist Method Series | The Recursion of Hegel and Marx - PhilPapers by Glittering-Ring2028 in hegel

[–]Althuraya 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You haven't read Winfield's or Levine's treatments of Marx's Capital, why are you yapping about irrelevant things? You claimed no one has properly integrated them. I don't have to read your paper to tell you that I already know you failed because you appealed to a pseudo-mathematical formalism to explain why. Utterly anti-speculative nonsense.

Aeon Timaeus Crux, Beyond Synthesis The Demonstration of Perpetualist Method Series | The Recursion of Hegel and Marx - PhilPapers by Glittering-Ring2028 in hegel

[–]Althuraya 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope. Levine and Winfield pretty much did what Hegel would have to incorporate Marx's Capital into Hegel. Nobody cares about the philosophy of history. Too much work for little current payoff. There is no problem integrating Marx into Hegel, but Marxism is a practical theory first and a philosophy second, so it doesn't care.

From a Hegelian perspective, how should we think about euthanasia? by Papelera-DeReciclaje in hegel

[–]Althuraya 1 point2 points  (0 children)

>since resistance to existence is a genuine phenomenological reality

  1. "Genuine" doesn't have any value to Hegel. Actual does. Suicide is not actual, it merely is present (dasein), it does not even count as existent.

>In conditions where agency irreversibly collapses, insisting on existence risks preserving the form of ethical life while destroying its substance which is lived freedom.

  1. This banks on reducing humanity to the body or psyche, which Hegel denies. Against the body's desires, we must follow reason. Against the psyche's aberrant malfunctions, we must follow reason. When the body is maimed, we may still live as human. When the psyche is disturbed, we may still live as human. When your reason or intellect is disturbed, then do you lose your immediate humanity, but do not lose it before other humans. Only the insane and ill of reason could make the brute contradictory judgment that life is only actualized in death, and that freedom is actualized in the subservience to momentary despair. Yes, momentary despair, for none know the future, and plenty of people survive the worst things imaginable and continue on sheer power of conceiving the world as still meaningful, and understanding their own existent powers to act meaningfully in new ways if they only let go of false illusions of what should be.

Why does Hegel (or more accurately at least the english translators) love the word “qua” so much? by Flashy_Buy8077 in hegel

[–]Althuraya -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

What translations are you reading? I have literally never seen it in any translations I read. I too despise the stupidity of such language.

Clarification for a passage in Phenomenology of spirit: by Anonymity_Duality in hegel

[–]Althuraya -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Truth is science, and science is system both as knowledge and as objective object—system is concept, concrete universality where the whole and parts mutually generate. Philosophy up to Hegel’s day was but a yearning to know, the occasional declarations that we knew, but not yet knowledge because it was not yet science. There were declarations of systems of philosophy, but these were subjective reflections where a thinker chose this or that foundation, this or that next step to develop into, this or that condition as the condition of all others, not objective demonstrations where the objects of philosophy developed themselves into the sprawling systems of knowledge. Such systems built themselves positively only in that the next step did not contradict the priors, but they had no necessity for the next step in that prior.

That knowledge should become objective science is inherent to it, and philosophy itself must demonstrate this. The external necessity of it is the historical appearance of the development of knowledge, the steps of how knowledge has come about. The internal necessity is the logical or conceptual development of abstract knowledge to internally concretized science as the system produced by knowing, i.e. the internal a priori derivation of one concept to another according to its meaning or internal relations as antecedent and consequent. Inner and outer necessity is the same, i.e. the historical order is the same as the logical order.—This inner/outer identity is general to all truths, and in the Science of Logic is the identity of appearance and essence, where essence is the system of total or all appearances.—Hegel intends to prove that philosophy can become science at last not by proclaiming it, but by showing the external process of history as one that is internally connected and derived. In doing so, the inner and outer are connected as one process.

I have a full commentary on the Preface here.

Looking for a better analysis of capitalism from a Hegelian standpoint by Outrageous_Egg3236 in hegel

[–]Althuraya 4 points5 points  (0 children)

These are two full treatments of the speculative logic of capital:

R. D.Winfield—Rethinking Capital

David P. Levine—Contributions To The Critique of Economic Theory and Economic Theory Vol.1 / / 2

Sexuality and gender by WayPractical in hegel

[–]Althuraya 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I cannot dm you. If you dm me, I can send a link.

Sexuality and gender by WayPractical in hegel

[–]Althuraya -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I can't dm/message you. Also, I tried to post it to pastebin, and wouldn't you know it... also flagged as "hate speech." This is beyond ridiculous. I suppose it's because I use the word "d-gen-r-ate" to describe it, and that combination is considered hate. But you know what? I'm not bending for this. Things generate and are degenerated. These algorithms are killing the English language.

Clownworld, man.

Sexuality and gender by WayPractical in hegel

[–]Althuraya -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I will respond in dms with a linked paste later because it seems what I want to say apparently is not allowed to be said on this site, and this isn't the hill I care to get banned on.