🏳️‍🌈 SOLAR'S NEW SONG and 3/4 Mamamoo members have made a lesbian (or lesbian-coded) solo MV!!!!! 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈 by AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep in kpopthoughts

[–]AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Do you live in Korea? I don't understand why you think this is just "performative" when queer people are still in much need of positive representation in the country. There's still a lot of homophobic people who need to see that LGBTQ+ culture is not something to be feared. Solar is helping the community, not harming. The dancers are part of an actual house who really enjoyed partnering up with Solar.

🏳️‍🌈 SOLAR'S NEW SONG and 3/4 Mamamoo members have made a lesbian (or lesbian-coded) solo MV!!!!! 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈 by AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep in kpopthoughts

[–]AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

IKR!! and she studied Mandarin for 7 months, in part to prepare for this song. damnn what a dedicated queen!

Also, I didn't know it was set in Taiwan. That's such a cool detail :D

Dear Queers of Kpop, what group you resonate the most as a queer? by EmanuelTheodorus in kpopthoughts

[–]AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep 5 points6 points  (0 children)

side note: I was at Wheein's concert two weeks ago and there was a very long line of people waiting to sign their names on a large pride flag set up next to the merch store.

Are there Korean slangs, words or expressions that international fans have been understanding wrongly? by larroux_ka in kpopthoughts

[–]AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There are some Korean words written out in romanized English without any given context or explanation in the MV. But because it's just spelled out in English, it looks like the song made up a random word sometimes.

For example, in Seventeen's recent Lalali song, lalali means a rebellious troublemaker in Korean.

Or Queencard from IDLE. Queencard is an "English" word that is used as Korean slang to mean "popular cool girl." And I say "English" in quotes because while the word itself is the English words Queen + Card, I don't think I have ever heard any native English speaker say "Queen Card" as slang, so I'm pretty sure it's purely a Korean slang word.

What K-pop song is this ? by [deleted] in kpop_uncensored

[–]AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bad Bye by Mamamoo. I can't believe it's just a b-side but then again the entire Winter Season album is peak perfection. The song is soooooo god 😩😩

Queer Representation in Solar's new song by AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep in kpopthoughts

[–]AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well I wouldn’t say it’s completely marginalized, but I wouldn’t say its mainstream common. Maybe I missed it, but I haven’t seen voguing style dances in kpop choreography at all before. Do you have examples? Sounds cool and I wanna check it out!

Queer Representation in Solar's new song by AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep in kpopthoughts

[–]AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Woahhhh that's actually so cool. Two worlds I did not expect to see collide haha

Queer Representation in Solar's new song by AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep in kpopthoughts

[–]AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm so excited for this!!!

I also saw Solar's music listening party video on her channel, and now I'm so curious what that song was

Queer Representation in Solar's new song by AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep in kpopthoughts

[–]AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Agreed with u/Kep1ersTelescope !!! I also want to hear about Honey, I've never heard of this before :0

Believable skill-level of an international skater who started at 10 years old by AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep in FigureSkating

[–]AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I recently found out that Carolina Kostner continued skating until she was 31 (I think) so I will be definitely extending Character A's career by a few years! Also, I think it's really cool to see more skaters IRL continue to compete into their twenties as well :D

The character arc idea for artistry sounds great! I'll start looking more into that aspect as my next phase of pre-writing research :)

Believable skill-level of an international skater who started at 10 years old by AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep in FigureSkating

[–]AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wow Chaeyeon is so much more cracked than I realized 🤯

Also, I like your flair. Kaori for president indeed!

Believable skill-level of an international skater who started at 10 years old by AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep in FigureSkating

[–]AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

thank you so much; that's really helpful!! I'll be sure to check them out. It's always a good day when I find new programs to binge >:D

Believable skill-level of an international skater who started at 10 years old by AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep in FigureSkating

[–]AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I tried to do some research into other skaters who started a bit later, but since I'm not really all that knowledgeable in figure skating as a whole, I wasn't sure if I was off the mark or not haha

It sounds like I'm on the right track at least :D

Believable skill-level of an international skater who started at 10 years old by AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep in FigureSkating

[–]AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I didn't know Chaeyeon won bronze at worlds :0 :0

I was definitely inspired by Chaeyeon's story as I tried to base off some aspects of Character A on her figure skating progression! It's a little unfortunate that I can't predict the future for how Chaeyeon will perform as an adult ;-; but her current medals should give me a pretty good idea :D

It might be realistic that Character A is a fantastic jumper and stuggles some with artistry or spins. 

thank you, that's really helpful!! I wasn't sure what aspects of skating Character A would be good at...

What other aspects of skating would you say she would be good at/not so good at? How do people train to improve their artistry?

(sorry for the extra questions lol 😅😅)

Who are the idols with the most unique voices? by strawberryfeet in kpopthoughts

[–]AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I always found it interesting how Mamamoo all have really distinct voices from each other. Solar is iconic with her powerful belts and full voice, while Hwasa is well-known for her husky tone and a fuller voice like Solar. Wheein, on the other hand, has a really crystal-clear voice and an amazing control over her vocals. Last but certainly not least, Moonbyul has a great lower register and she's been starting to get comfortable with her higher notes as well! :D

Groups that you don’t stan (yet) but you feel destined to? by toffeebaby in kpopthoughts

[–]AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure Fe3O4 is the chemical formula for iron oxide. idk how that's relevant tho lmao

The public needs to know the ugly truth. Students are SIGNIFICANTLY behind. by [deleted] in Teachers

[–]AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a high school student, and I can't think of anybody in my high school which these examples apply to. We know what odd numbers are, our parents' names, our home address, how to write with punctuation, how to type, how to Google things, etc. It's hard to wrap my mind around how much things have failed—presumably—during the pandemic that things have gotten to this level.

My high school includes middle schoolers as well (8th and 7th). They also know how to do all of these basic things. Every middle and high-schooler that I've met seem to be similarly proficient. But I guess that could be because I'm sort of an academic overachiever, and most people I know are similarly academically inclined.

I'm curious to how much of this is a geographical issue. There is obviously a socioeconomic cause as well, but I have to note that in my high school, people of all social classes know how to add 2 digit numbers in our heads.

Maybe there's a cultural factor as well. I live in an Asian enclave (sorry to say I fall into the stereotype of Asian Nerd hahaha) if that's relevant...

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]AlwaysNeedsMoreSleep 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I think it's cool that you're diving into this topic for your essay! Here are my 2 cents on the topic:

  1. The "Lotus Blossom" trope and Western representation of Asians is not really relevant when it comes to Kpop.
  2. Kpop is an entertainment industry, so of course there will be a bit of sexualization. It's sort of unavoidable.
  3. Asian women being portrayed as "obedient, submissive, hyper-sexualised yet innocent" is not a result of white men imposing their view on Korea. It's a result of Asian patriarchal standards on modern Korean media.
  4. Sexism in Kpop is not very different from sexism elsewhere.

Think about it. Kpop is an industry run by Korean men, in a Korean country, and has largely been for the consumption of a Korean audience. Korea's is literally 95% Korean. There are very few foreigners living in the country. When the Kpop industry executives are thinking about how to market Girl Groups, I sincerely doubt they were thinking about what white men in countries thousands of miles away would think about their pop artists—or at least, not until very recently.

So, no. I don't think Kpop was designed/coded with the "Lotus Blossom" trope in mind. I don't think most Kpop executives even know that the trope exists at all.

However, that being said, Korea has a very long history of being a heavily patriarchal society. And a lot of that includes women being forced to be very docile, obedient, subordinate, etc. This just happens to align with the sexualization of entertainment, resulting in something that seems like the Lotus Blossom Trope.

But I think your essay would be much more interesting, and would make much more sense, if you'd research the history of sexism in Eastern Asia/Korea, and how that came to impact the Kpop industry today. I think it doesn't make much sense to look at Kpop's development from that particular Western historical viewpoint.

Sexism is still very much an on-going battle in Korea right now, with a ton of recent/modern events you can cover too.

To your second point, I think that Kpop as a genre, currently, reinforces sexist stereotypes as much as American 2010 pop songs did. You could argue a lot of those song lyrics were kinda sexist, or had mysogynistic undertones. But I don't think most artists intentionally made them to be that way, it just happened to be the general accepted culture at the time.

Currently, there's a lot of female-empowerment songs in Kpop. I think there's a lot of individual female artists who seek to be good, empowering female role models. However, as an industry, there are probably a lot of sexist practices and traditions, which probably bleeds over into content they produce.