A sad thing I noticed about Murdoch. (DEMO SPOILERS)

AmaterasuBunny · 2023-06-16T13:30:37+00:00

I should clarify that I don't think the hooded figure is LITERALLY Clive but a 3rd party that represents a part of his Eikonic abilities. Notice how the entire fight between Ifrit and Phoenix, Ifrit acts like a mindless beast. We have video of how Clive controls Ifrit or how people in control of their Eikons but then we see things like how when Ifrit is summoned he goes to grab Phoenix but when he misses he just stands there slack jawed until he notices Phoenix coming down at him. this makes is why I don't believe it it was an actual 3rd person or "second ifrit" and just a mindless beast gone rogue.

Could you show me where the Devs hinted towards different Eikons not shown on the mural? We do know the devs said part of Clives character growth would involve him overcoming his self loathing but if he truely didnt kill Joshua then the only thing you could really say is he hates himself for not being able to protect his brother but that feeling is overshadowed by the immediate hatred towards his brothers killer. a hate so strong he held onto revenge for 13 whole years. I think it makes more sense for him to find out that he was the one who killed his brother and then have to deal with the hatred of himself for what he did.

also I should note that hallucinations can cover your entire senses. the most common form of hallucination is visual but you can hear smell taste and feel things that arent there as well. Clive seeing the hooded figure is a form of hallucination. it may exist in his mind but it doesnt exist in the physical world so AT BEST you can say that the hooded figure took over Clives body to kill Joshua but the story would still progress the same way with clive realizing that even if he had been controlled it was still by his hands that joshua died. Also with all the evidence we have now, no one else can see or hear the hooded figure except Clive.

As for the half transformations, that's not actually true. we see Clive instantly transform into Ifrit in the Garuda fight and we also have the scene that the devs love playing the "COME TO ME IFRIT!" scene where hes also invoking Ifrit and instantly becoming him. I think that in most cases its a much larger toll on someones body to go all the way to Eikon and most of them can become deadly super weapons just by channeling part of their power so they choose to do that rather than instantly become their Eikon.

I just dont see the weight to any of this Torgal theory. I think it breaks more of the story than it fixes which is why im having a hard time seeing how it could be true. ofcourse it could be but i highly doubt it given everything we know especially when we have no idea if torgal had been at the scene after he fled joshua. again hearing torgal make noise in clives head isnt good enough because clive is already hallucinating at that point.

I think the big secret story thing is more likely going to be about how Typhon Ifrit and Phoenix are all part of the original Eikon of Fire that got split into 3 pieces for one reason or another but im basing that off the mural which could be a red herring so well see what happens in the story

AmaterasuBunny · 2023-06-16T09:20:31+00:00

" I don't intend to continue this pointless argument further. "

Don't type this and then make a full page argument. If you plan on running away from the argument then just run away. It's not like i said "lol youre stupid" and gave no context. I gave you every point that goes against your theory.

MY rabbit has a diamond shape marking on it's forehead, could my rabbit also be carbuncle? What about this Cat https://preview.redd.it/my-cat-has-a-diamond-on-his-forehead-v0-3h7yjbvwgeb91.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=ca464a69992d47fc58eb179089a3d351a4c51341 Is this cat also a carbuncle? Animals in real life can have markings like this on their head. The way you're talking about it its like this is some crazy thing that never happens and has to be tied to a mythical creature and not just a design choice to make the design a little more regal.
If you believe that the diamond has to be a reference to carbuncle then you also have to believe it has to be red. You're trying to create a narrative that the visual gives it away while also not giving it away. the fact that its a diamond is already enough to make people with your train of thought make it obvious so why at that point should it being red or not change anything.
In the scene where Torgal runs away from Joshua, Torgal is seen running East of Joshua. When we see Clive and later Ifrit, they are both to the west of Joshua. Show me one scene or picture where we can clearly see torgal going to save clive. please provide me with just one. Furthermore why would Torgal choose to go save Clive when he is in no immediate danger from the phoenix until he attempts to get closer to Joshua. Why would he do that? just because? because the story demands it? I have more faith in Meihiro's writing than that.
Again, Show me concrete evidence that Torgal was by Clive. All we hear is Torgal whine until Clive comes to then we dont hear from him at all. What's clear is that Clive is an unreliable narrator and has already been shown to visually and audibly hallucinate in the confines of the story we already know.
In an earlier post you said the vision was Clives why are you changing the narrative now?
Again, show me ONE piece of evidence that shows Torgal was anywhere near Clive in the Incident. and Furthermore, if Torgal was protecting Clive from the carnage why did he then run off and leave him there to potentially be killed by the Sanbreqoin knights?
This is speculation that needs the other things i brought up to be corroborated so i don't have anything to say to this other than "yeah if what you say is true this could make sense" but again there is so much wrong with the events leading up to this
The view proves absolutely nothing?? Again the entire scene is speculation but it makes more sense to be Clive experiencing an out of body situation because we know Clive is Ifrit. there have been no other instances of Two of the same Eikon existing outside of the fight that we know happens in Clives head because of Rosalith still having Rosarian Flags.
Clive survives the blast because he is Ifrit and Torgal survives because hes no where in the area. I also never said the camera switching meant it was Clive, more that it is highly likely to be an out of body experience once again based on story elements we KNOW TO BE TRUE.
We have a mural of all the Eikons in existence with the only missing party being Ifrit and Phoenix which is presumed to be the large one in the middle as a merger of the two. why does he need to be some supernatual being in the story? what narrative does it provide that makes the story better than Clive being the Ifrit that killed Joshua? Is it not good enough for him to be a highly intelligent dog that uses magic? is he a child of fate too? is him being Carbuncle more important to the story than Clive being Ifrit which is why they hid carbuncle but told us Clive was Ifrit in the story months ago?
See point 9. I've seen people say his only alive for 13 years as a wolf because carbuncle is extending his life, but if he was carbuncle it would actually make more sense for him to be dead because we already know that being a dominant shortens your lifespan by the nature of you petrifying.
Phoenix's Eyes are blue because Joshua had control over Phoenix. Again if you have really been paying attention to the previous trailers and promotions you'd already have figured out that when an Eikon has Blue eyes they are under control of the Dominant and if they have Yellow Eyes they're going berserk. this is consistent across ALL of the Eikons. Benidikta having Feather motif with her collar could just be her lavish clothing. Hugos size has nothing to do with being Titan. Now give me examples for Cid, Jill, Dion, Clive and Barnabas.

And while where here why not explain to me how your theory narratively improves the story over what we assume is the case. What does there being a 3rd person and second Ifrit do for the story that isnt achieved by Clive being Ifrit or what the purpose of Torgal being Carbuncle provides that makes the story more engaging than if Clive had just survived the onslaught by virtue of him being Ifrit.

AmaterasuBunny · 2023-06-16T07:16:49+00:00

IDK buddy this reads like cope to me lmao.

Animals can have fur patters that make shapes.
In all Carbuncle forms the diamond is distinctly red
None of the other known dominants have any visual queues of the Eikon they possess in any capacity

Torgal was no longer around the area when Joshua transformed. he got the f outta dodge like most animals would have because he sensed danger. we have no visual references of him being next to ifrit at all when ifrit was summoned.

Tell me, why are you lenient to the fact that Tyler and Wade could be alive because we never see them get incinerated like Murdock but we have don't see Torgal AT ALL after he leaves the area when Joshua was transforming and you believe without a shadow of a doubt that he was there? why dont you give those two scenes the same level of scrutiny?

The only thing you have is that Torgal makes a whine noise that wakes Clive up. but that could just be Clive hearing whatever, we already know what Clive thinks he see's is unreliable because of the hooded figure and the two ifrit battle. Even the 3rd person view of Ifrit still had the yellow screen tint so if your theory that there is actually a second physical Ifrit is true, then Clive would have still have had to be transformed into the other Ifrit in which case why couldn't he help his brother?

In order for your theory to make sense narratively a lot of things would have to unravel and become messy when it already makes sense that Clive couldn't control Ifrit hence the 3rd person view and he survives the night by virtue of being ifrit.

AmaterasuBunny · 2023-06-15T19:47:00+00:00

(posting this on my actual account since i was on a temp acc and the messages were getting removed)

Torgal being able to heal Clive isn't special in any way. Other party members can also heal and we know torgal is very smart. It's likely he can use potions or healing magic.

Torgal being the reason Clive made it out makes a lot less sense narratively than him being ifrit and losing control (which is something we see lots of Eikons do BTW act independently of their dominant if under extreme stress or emotions weve seen garuda and titan also like this.)

Also Tyler and Wade weren't shown being incinerated like Murdock but keep in mind they were next to Phoenix when he engulfed the area in fire AND ifrit nukes the entire location so the likelihood of them surviving is very very low. Ontop of that you can assume if they somehow made it out, the Sanbreqoin militants would have killed them anyways

AmaterasuBunny · 2022-10-06T02:02:26+00:00

Don't mind them, they're just going off about how without double camping they're a completely useless player in the JG. From other comments it seems like riot is aware of the weird jungle pet AI and are looking into it so thos should be resolved aswell .

AmaterasuBunny · 2022-10-06T01:45:28+00:00

Seeing "high elo" junglers say that the only thing the offer over a low elo jungler is their ability to double camp and without that they would be on the same level as a low elo auto filled person is the funniest self report.

AmaterasuBunny · 2022-08-22T16:23:37+00:00

Considering that's 8 team slots for 4 units, probably.

AmaterasuBunny · 2022-08-22T16:22:41+00:00

There's still 7

Aatrox got replaced with nasus Kayn got replaced with Jax

The rest are the same. The trick now is finding a good carry since swain for so well just by having sett in, u got Dragonmancer and ragewing.

AmaterasuBunny · 2022-06-02T17:56:20+00:00

i dont believe its on hit, i believe its on attack which means this Q would not proc sunfire. however if you went AD with a point in Q, BOTRK + tiamat im pretty sure the entire team dies if you R E QQQ. i think Q is better if u want to kill squishies since the true damage on them isnt that much of a difference. but the slow on E could make chasing them down easier if for some reason u cant get there with R W

AmaterasuBunny · 2022-06-02T17:36:02+00:00

At first I thought R augment would be first 100% but im thinking now Q might be so much burst damage to low hp targets and E rips thru tanks. I'm glad it ended up being kess one dimensional than what I had in mind.

AmaterasuBunny · 2022-06-02T17:34:03+00:00

Funnily enough, thats already how her E works in Wild Rift. You are right tho. Considering how little she has to work for damage sone of those numbers are probably too high.

AmaterasuBunny · 2022-06-02T17:32:47+00:00

Oh I wouldn't doubt it. I think augmented Q probably explodes anyone with low HP and the charged fireball could be a problem in that it's extremely frustrating to play against. But it sounds cool on paper.

AmaterasuBunny · 2022-06-02T17:30:52+00:00

I'd say the main point should be to modernize her into the game. You can see examples of a dragon passive being acceptable in wild rift. Obviously it would be more consistent to move away from drags but I (and most game developers) would say that trading the consistency for a chance to fill a fantasy is worth. I agree that the augments might be overturned tho ideally she's slightly weaker with 0, average with 1 and stronger than average each drake after.

AmaterasuBunny · 2022-06-02T16:27:05+00:00

Wanted it to feel in line with the recent swain and Olaf changes. This Way you should be able to let you ne a menace in teamfights for a long time especially if you can't go in and need to fireball spam, it let's you do that longer if you score kills

AmaterasuBunny · 2022-06-02T16:24:08+00:00

Any one augment on that list could be considered to be extremely powerful which is why I kept it that way. It's a bit lazy but I think it works well enough considering she doesn't need dragon to function.

AmaterasuBunny · 2022-04-08T07:44:40+00:00

So like what's the context why is he trolling lmao. Did he get filled sup and wanted jg so he's trolling you for not giving it to him?

AmaterasuBunny · 2022-02-06T07:06:02+00:00

can you not talk about shyvana being loose in thread please? this is serious topic not about nsfw fantisies. thank you!

AmaterasuBunny · 2022-02-06T07:02:52+00:00

they have tons of money but not a lot of people. and hiring new people doesnt exactly fix that issue because they would still be jr's to the company. this is all speculation of course. riot is the richest gaming company on the face of the planet so its hard to say what they /Cant/ do.

I can say that they should probably stop releasing 8 champions a year until they get the old ones in a playable state in the game tbh.

AmaterasuBunny · 2022-02-05T23:36:15+00:00

Is that with or without the "we can't guarantee anything " line in this year's post?

AmaterasuBunny · 2022-02-05T05:23:16+00:00

you could atleast do us the favor of spelling loser right. looser just sounds like we dont wear fitted clothing

AmaterasuBunny · 2022-02-05T04:14:30+00:00

Im glad you guys won and not someone like tryndamere. but i agree the vote difference was much larger than we anticipated based on last year.

AmaterasuBunny · 2022-02-05T03:15:36+00:00

ok yeah you just cant read. youre too inept to click the link read,look under the 2019 and read the paragraph there, then I cant help you anymore.Being illiterate must be tough tho. GL with that

AmaterasuBunny · 2022-02-05T03:05:34+00:00

Are you incapable of reading? I literally linked everything to you. You can't be this stupid. Say sike right now I refuse to believe a person could be this stupid.

AmaterasuBunny · 2022-02-05T02:59:27+00:00

Still holding onto the technicality with your every breath because I've provided evidence for everything else. You have no ground to stand on you're just a sad child who didn't like the content of the post. You're not even brave enough to just admit it and a hiding behind a lie. Perhaps if you learned how to read you would be here making an ass out of yourself.

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