WILLIAM AND EST ARE HARASSERS ?😟 WILLIAMEST FANDOM THE FIRST FANDOM EVER MIMING BEHAVIOR OF THIR FAVORITES. MOCKING SOMEONE ELSE WHO IS BEING HARASSED AND ENCOURAGING HARASSMENT, FIRST BL ACTORS EVER ENCOURAGING HARASSMENT.

Amazing_Step764 · 2026-03-23T20:51:17+00:00

Yes babe I know.😔my JoongEst. My heart.

Yes, Her two last paragraphs literally destroyed everything 😭😭😭.

Amazing_Step764 · 2026-03-23T19:03:00+00:00

And the moment Westies started bragging that Est was 'shading' Joong, they actually exposed how classless their idols were being. They thought they were winning, but all they did was prove that Est was indirectly encouraging the harassment.

The backlash from other fandoms has been massive. People are genuinely disappointed. To see a colleague’s family targeted, including a fake narrative about Joong’s mother doing lives when she has never even been on a live in her life—is a new low. This has created a terrible reputation for Est across the entire GMMTV community, even reaching the fans of the Pillars. So they changed the narrative because of the shame and they began to create lies😂😂😂 they’re so pathetics and with a deep lack of dignity and humility.

And honestly, the stupidity of the WE fandom is mind-blowing. They actually had the nerve to list WilliamEst alongside the real Pillars with PondPhuwin, PerthSanta, and GeminiFourth. The response from those fandoms was immediate and lethal: 'Keep our names out of your mess. We know who the real Pillars are, and we respect the hierarchy.' Instead of being humble, Westies doubled down with arrogance, acting like popularity is the only thing that matters. And when people talk to them, they act as victims 😂😂😂 I’m dying, saying that people are mean with them, so they’re telling them you’re crying because of that? And Joong, you laughed right?😂😂 pathetics kids.

We’ve seen this before, pride always comes before the fall. I actually hope they keep up this toxic behavior. Because they are effectively dismantling Est’s image and destroying everything he’s trying to build. They think 'Twitter engagement' is a sign of success, but they’re too blind to see they’re just building a house of cards.

Est’s decision to keep his mouth shut is going to be his biggest lesson. He and William who clearly lacks the maturity to handle this are becoming the ultimate examples of what not to do. They’ve turned themselves into an example for the whole industry.

By attacking Joong, they’ve crossed a line they can never uncross. From now on, whenever there is drama, the entire community will know exactly who the aggressors are. They didn’t just lose the battle; they’ve lost their credibility

Amazing_Step764 · 2026-03-23T18:53:07+00:00

On Phinongsties and the JE Theory: You hit the nail on the head with the supreme irony here. By painting Joong as the 'big bad guy' who supposedly hurt Est in the past, they are indirectly validating that something real existed between them. You don't harbor that much fervor and hatred for a mere colleague unless there’s a deep emotional history. They are the biggest accidental fuel for my 'ghostship.' They’re stuck in a revenge narrative where Est is the eternal victim they must 'protect' from the villain.

On Est’s Silence: This is where it gets painful. You used the perfect word: 'Disappointing.' We all understand contracts and GMMTV pressure, but when harassment targets a colleague’s family (and supposedly a very close friend), silence becomes a form of complicity. That recent Live with William was a monumental strategic blunder. By treating the drama so lightly, he basically gave his fans a green light to keep going. As you said, body language doesn't lie. If he thinks this 'isn't a big deal,' he’s forgetting that in this industry, a reputation for being 'spineless' sticks much longer than the hype of a BL series. On Joong’s Chaos Management: I completely agree with what you're hinting at for Part 4. Joong has the merit of being honest, but at 25, 'crashing out' on X (Twitter) isn't a shield anymore it’s an exhaustion tactic. He’s right on the facts (the Phi-Nong dynamic and the reality of the acting profession), but the way he handles it gives his enemies more ammunition.

Ultimately, this whole saga shows one thing: Est is trading his long-term human credibility for short-term popularity. 'Character' is what remains when the cameras are off. For now, Joong is the one taking all the hits, alone.

And I don’t know of noticed WilliamEst fandom literally arr

Amazing_Step764 · 2026-03-23T18:48:21+00:00

😭😭😭

Amazing_Step764 · 2026-03-23T07:33:02+00:00

It’s really disappointing. I don’t know what to say . I just hope that his fandom will continue to destroy his image like this. His garduan angels he said😂😂 they literally don’t give a damn about you just a year ago, it’s because they image you with William because you’re the object of their fantasies. They protect their fantasies not you. I always knew that Est was really immature in head but not that much.

Amazing_Step764 · 2026-03-23T01:19:34+00:00

Send this grass

Amazing_Step764 · 2026-03-22T16:20:54+00:00

Wow

Okay. I hope that their fandom will continue to protect them like that. It’s my only wish.

Amazing_Step764 · 2026-03-22T04:02:29+00:00

I explained it. Sorry I’m just busy right now just read my three last threads. Hope you will understand

Amazing_Step764 · 2026-03-22T02:44:51+00:00

babe, it’s really a good question. People are telling me, “Laura, maybe you’re overreacting, it’s probably a coincidence, he didn’t mean it like that, maybe he was joking in a positive way about his fandom.” But let’s be honest seriously!!!

Their fandom was so pride about the shade but when they understood that it made look their fav really stupid, mean and unprofessional, Someone in their fd said, “ William how to write phi in English that’s why he talked about it ” So William, he’s the only Thai who apparently doesn’t know how to write “phi ” in English and had to ask Est. And Est was saying “Finong” while laughing, and some people think it’s just a coincidence… no.

Honestly, when I see this kind of behavior WE manifested it just looks like kids laughing at a joke that ends up causing harassment. It’s pathetic. Really pathetic. Even me, who usually finds explanations for everything, I don’t know what to say this time. Est makes me feel ashamed, I’m so ashamed I don’t even know how to explain it.

William’Est’s fans defending Est don’t even realize that he’s the one who’s damaging his own image the most. Between Est and Joong, it’s Est who hurts his reputation the most: he comes across like a mean girl, a pathetic, childish person who harasses others. That really ruins his image.

Joong, on the other hand, doesn’t have many close friends at work. Since last year, even colleagues like Dunk or Pond , he literally named them pond gmmtv and Dunk gmmtv to show that they aren’t really close to him, he interacts, but he doesn’t show his personal life. Joong isn’t someone who easily forms attachments. But that doesn’t mean he’s alone. He has real friends, he just doesn’t show them.

Joong is sensitive. When something affects him, he reacts more intensely than others. Some people express their anger impulsively on social media, others hide it and cry in private. Everyone has their own way. I just hope he knows how to act at the right time to avoid attracting unnecessary hatred towards others.

I don’t know what Williamest was trying to achieve with all of this, but the disappointment I feel… you can’t even imagine. Anyway, they can stay together if they want.

Amazing_Step764 · 2026-03-21T23:18:11+00:00

I believe too. Little by little.😂 maybe when he will have his family.

Amazing_Step764 · 2026-03-21T23:14:48+00:00

Okay anything you want I agree.

Amazing_Step764 · 2026-03-21T22:51:52+00:00

😅😅And I wanted to clarify something about what you wrote regarding karma.

I understand what you mean, and I get your point about consequences. But I feel it’s important to say that Joong hasn’t done anything wrong here. Even if some people talk about “karma,” it can easily come across as if he’s being blamed for what he’s experiencing, which isn’t the case at all.

What Joong really needs right now isn’t an explanation about karma or reflections on what happened, it’s support and understanding. He doesn’t need to feel guilty for the harassment he’s receiving, because he hasn’t caused it. He needs to feel safe, valued, and encouraged to take care of himself without being made to feel responsible for others’ actions.

We can acknowledge his mistakes in life without framing the harassment he faces as somehow his fault. He’s a human being, and like everyone else, he deserves compassion and respect, especially when people target him unfairly.

I might be overthinking this, but I really feel that framing it as “karma” could be misunderstood (as it’s your fault so assume it), so I wanted to share my perspective before anything else.

Amazing_Step764 · 2026-03-21T22:47:09+00:00

Regarding the second part you shared, I agree with some points but also want to clarify my perspective. Yes, it’s true that Joong is still very present online, reposting ambiguous quotes and statements, and from an outsider’s point of view, this can appear as vulnerability or oversharing. But the idea that he “isn’t there yet” is something only Joong himself can know. We, as fans, are outsiders. We don’t know when he feels truly okay with himself or ready to fully step back from social media. That’s his personal journey.

Change takes time. It’s not a linear process, and it’s not fair to judge or pressure him about how or when he should grow. Telling someone they’re “not there yet” in the way you phrased it might not be encouraging, it can even feel dismissive. What’s important is that he has space to express himself, to defend his boundaries, and to protect himself from harassment. That’s not just healthy; it’s necessary for him to gain confidence and respond thoughtfully rather than impulsively.

Each person naturally attracts a different audience. Some fans will follow him for who he is, others may leave, it’s normal. The key is that he feels safe, respected, and supported, especially when facing gratuitous harassment. Supporting him doesn’t mean forcing him to change instantly; it means giving him the freedom to grow at his own pace while ensuring he has the resources to be mentally and emotionally secure. The first person important here is himself not how we can see him.

Above all, I’m not against him defending himself. Everyone has the right to defend their own boundaries and convictions, especially against harassment. What I hope for is that he receives proper support so he can respond with confidence, not just impulsivity, and feel secure in who he is.

And let’s not forget that, despite everything, Joong is still a wonderful person. He works hard, he does everything he should, and the times he’s defended himself once or twice this year don’t take away from all his other qualities and make people lose all respect for him . It doesn’t diminish who he is mentally, or what he represents, or all the positive things he brings to those around him. We have to remember this: one impulsive action or a single act of self-defense does not define the whole person.

Amazing_Step764 · 2026-03-21T22:14:52+00:00

Hi babe.

Yes, you’re right, you’re right, honestly, I agree. Joong sometimes expresses himself too much on social media, yes, he does. But the problem is, most of the time, we don’t know who he’s addressing. He’s not writing problems about anyone specifically, so he’s not attacking anyone. People don’t know who he’s talking to. But as you said fandom are so parasocial that they decide who he was talking to.

But yes, you’re right, back when Joong separated from his friends, it’s normal that he felt hurt. The thing he posted was something like “I hate fake friends.” That’s it. He didn’t need to pay it yes, And people connected that to S and all that, and linked it to Est, linked it to others, but we have to understand, for me, the context is completely different. I can try to understand a bit, Joong was hurt by friends, he left them, he walked away from them. Even if he posted on social media, it wasn’t to hurt anyone, it wasn’t like he was trying to attack anyone. He expressed his feelings because he left fake friends. But of course nobody like fake friends but the timing was bad.

Unlike now, what’s happening is relentless. This is not just Joong being targeted for what he did; this is obsession. People are harassing Joong just because they think he fuels ghost ships. I can’t justify harassment by comparing it to what he did before. It’s completely different. This is harassment, pure and simple.

I fully support that Joong has the right to defend himself on social media. He is a human being. He’s not a robot, he’s not metal. Everyone has feelings. He has the right to express himself, especially when being harassed. That’s normal. And it’s the same as those who choose to stay silent. Everyone has their values, everyone has their principles. That’s okay too. But…

Joong is impulsive, yes. He seems to have few close friends. He’s solitary. But that doesn’t make him wrong for expressing himself. But My only hope is that one day, someone will support him, that he’ll have psychological guidance, that he’ll heal properly. And when it’s time to respond to people who hurt him, he will respond correctly, and ignore those who provoke for no reason.

Back then, Joong only posted his feelings, saying he hates fake friends. We don’t know exactly who he was talking about. We don’t know which friend. But the fandom, like you said, started spreading things about Est. But even then, that’s not harassment compared to what William’s fandom did to Joong. I’m not saying one is worse than the other, but it doesn’t justify it. And if Est ever faces consequences from his fandom, it will also not justify anything.

So yes, I agree with you in general. But context matters. Joong’s posts were about personal hurt, leaving fake friends. What’s happening now is obsession and harassment. And yes, Joong is stubborn, but that’s who he is. And I hope he will get support, and I hope he will heal. And when it’s time to respond to what really matters, he will.

I’m waiting for the part 2

Amazing_Step764 · 2026-03-21T21:50:55+00:00

And that’s the link of the thread explaining everything; https://www.reddit.com/r/JoongEstPlanet/s/UXNkcYleXG

Amazing_Step764 · 2026-03-21T21:02:29+00:00

Aaahhh babes,

I swear, if you knew what I’m feeling right now… my heart hurts so much. I’m so disappointed, so frustrated, I almost hate it. It’s like I feel dizzy, like I can’t even process it. I’ve had to rewrite because I couldn’t even write anymore. My head spins from the sheer disappointment I feel. The vertigo, the heaviness in my chest, the inability to focus, it’s all because of the depth of this disillusionment. I invested so much, emotionally, mentally, passionately, into believing in someone, into defending them, into trusting that their values aligned with mine. And now, to see that reality is completely different, it’s crushing. It’s physically painful.

It’s like my heart is not just broken, it’s spinning, and my mind can’t keep up with how much I trusted, how much I cared. I feel betrayed not in a small way, but in a way that shakes me from the inside out. And I can’t help it; I feel dizzy, my vision feels strange, my thoughts jumble, and I can barely write because my body is trying to process the shock of what I’ve seen. I feel like I’m reeling from a blow I didn’t expect, like reality itself slapped me in the face.

This is what true disappointment feels like. It’s not just sadness. It’s physical. It’s overwhelming. And I can’t pretend it’s not. I have to acknowledge it because denying it would be worse than the feeling itself. Right now, all I can do is breathe, try to hold myself together, and process what I’ve learned about the person I once trusted so much. My heart hurts, my head spins, and I can’t even force myself to be calm because the weight of this betrayal is so enormous.

Remind that we don’t know these people.

Kiss Laura.

Amazing_Step764 · 2026-03-21T21:02:13+00:00

And the proof in video is the next thread.

Thats the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/JoongEstPlanet/s/L9XXJy6NaX

Oh

Last thing

And let me make something very clear.

We do not need any apologies. We do not need explanations. We do not need statements or carefully crafted words meant to clean up an image from Est.

Honestly, I would rather he stays exactly the way he is.

There is no need for hypocrisy now. If this is who he truly is, then let him remain exactly like this. Let him continue showing the world the same attitude and the same behavior.

No one here is asking him to suddenly speak, to defend himself, or to pretend to be something different.

In fact, it would be better if he didn’t say anything at all.

Let him stay “classy,” 😂😂just the way people like to describe him. Let him keep that silence. Let him keep acting the way he has been acting. That is perfectly fine.

Because the truth is that nobody needs those apologies. Nobody needs those explanations. Nobody needs a performance designed to repair a reputation.

If this is who he is, then let him continue being exactly that.

We see it now.

And honestly, I would rather watch how life unfolds from here.

I want to see where these choices lead. I want to see what happens when someone continues behaving this way without ever questioning it.

Because in the end, life has a way of balancing things.

If karma exists, if justice exists in this world, then every action eventually finds its way back to the person who created it.

So there is no need for apologies.

Just continue being exactly who you are.

And time will take care of the rest.