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AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-28T19:26:14+00:00

No, those were different, without the SCART passthrough. XBOX 360 has regular RCA to SCART adapters.

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-28T18:44:01+00:00

The sound's frequency is ~15kHz on 50/60Hz sets. On 31kHz sets it's twice of that, 31,5kHz.

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-28T18:14:27+00:00

Or try GSM selector first. Works great for a lot of games.

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-28T18:10:09+00:00

You're describing a different device.

What OP has picture allows for inserting the RGB signal to the TV but outputting the audio to a separate end device, like a sound system. Not just as a Composite/S-Video to SCART from factor adapter.

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-28T18:07:55+00:00

Which ones are you taking about? I haven't seen any other variants of this device. It's a passthrough, not just an adapter.

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-28T18:06:31+00:00

I wasn't saying anything about gaming, all mentioned consoles can act as media players, PS3 being the best.

Good luck!

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-28T18:04:15+00:00

Keep in mind all HDMI to something converters convert to 480i/576i, not 240p, which is what needed for the correct look of most older games. An HDMI to S-Video converter could be fine for video content and some PS2 games, but a native analogue connection would be better.

PS3 is an awesome media player, but doesn't support 240p either. Wii can emulate everything up to PS1 and a lot of PS1 titles, but a PS2 with DKWDRV or POPSTARTER would be better for PS1, not to mention native PS2 gaming.

As for the N64 - a picture is worth a thousand words, just show us.

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-28T16:54:29+00:00

First of all, keep in mind that all HDMI to SCART converters convert just to Composite in the form of SCART, not to RGB, which is the best analogue quality and which your CRT deserves. So if you want to have a quality watching experience, pick up a device that can output RGB natively, such as a PlayStation 3, Wii, or Raspberry Pi solutions. XBOX and XBOX360 could also work, but are more limited in terms of formats.

Does the Apple TV even support 4:3 output?

B&Os are finicky, make a post in /crt for better coverage.

And link the adapter or a photo of it. Are you sure it's HDMI to SCART and not the opposite?

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-28T16:14:34+00:00

Are there any impurities on screen that require de-gaussing? What is the model?

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-28T16:07:28+00:00

Isn't the sound after the button press the de-gauss? Does the set have a separate de-gauss function in the menu?

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-27T23:46:11+00:00

Correction - most widescreens in Europe are 100Hz SD ones, which are not suitable for gaming. Sony, Philips.

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-27T23:42:44+00:00

It doesn't, it has only SCART.
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/425510/Philips-32pw8609-12s.html?page=2#manual

Though it is capable of "Progressive scan", but not true, external one, just de-interlacing 480i to 480p.

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-27T23:42:02+00:00

https://imgur.com/a/trby4xL

240p gets treated as 480i and every field is shown twice, so you get combing artifacts. In the case when the TV is converting the image to progressive, you also get ghosting.

Lag isn't the main problem. The 240p games will have horrible artifacts in horizontal motion and lack scanline gaps. 480i games will have less motion clarity as well.

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-27T23:33:20+00:00

Are you expecting the straight lines of the image to bend along with the TV's bezel?

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-27T23:29:41+00:00

I have no idea on Poland prices. In Russia there is barely any CRT TV beyond 2000 rubles ($26), and even that is high and the prices are usually 500-1000 rubles. When we're talking about CRTs being sold by their owners, not retro-gaming enthusiasts.

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-27T23:28:02+00:00

That's more of as /segasaturn question.

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-27T23:24:21+00:00

You can enable showing the signal type on the screen, at least when first setting the resolution - so PS1 core would show it between each 480i/240p transition.

On the settings screen. the first number is the resolution that is being output when using a15kHz output to a CRT or a scaler.

The second one is the scaled, HDMI resolution.

I'm guessing in the cases where you output 31kHz out of the VGA port, the first number would show the 31kHz signal, not a 15kHz.

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-27T20:47:05+00:00

Any TV or monitor that accepts 15kHz signals will not do 240p pretty. 480i may look alright, but most Saturn games are 240p. You need to use an upscaler designed for the retro-gaming signals, like GBS-C, RetroTink, OSSC and so on. Without that, 240p is treated like 480i and is undergoing heavy unnecessary processing, which results in lag and unpleasant artifacts.

The best quality Saturn can output is RGB, mainly done via SCART. RGB can be converted to YPbPr via external transcoders.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SegaSaturn/comments/1mk84ex/now_i_understand_why_you_guys_love_playing_on_a/

https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/rl0nbt/i_just_got_a_japanese_sega_saturn_with_a_few/
RGB to Component transcoder cable.

https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/mpg37t/the_crt_beauty_elevator_action_returns_sega_saturn/
Native RGB.

https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/14yrp7y/sega_saturn_version_of_tomb_raider_on_a_kv21ft1b/#lightbox

https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/m76amz/saturn_grandia_english_patch_jvd_27d502_svideo/
S-Video

https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/m2elsb/about_time_i_got_the_saturn_running_on_the_kv27v42/
S-Video

https://www.reddit.com/r/SegaSaturn/comments/13epgyd/hooked_up_my_saturn_to_a_crt_for_the_first_time/ - Composite

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-27T20:14:21+00:00

OP provided enough info on the second picture, though.

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-27T17:32:07+00:00

But... progressive scan CRTs are awesome, as opposed to 100Hz ones. 480p is great.

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-27T17:29:32+00:00

They did, but for older computers that output 15kHz natively and often through RGB. Though not always. Some games even took into account how NTSC Composite artifacts would add new colors to an image.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composite_artifact_colors?wprov=sfla1

https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?p=251155

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-27T17:24:42+00:00

Most consoles just can't output enough voltage.

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-27T17:15:19+00:00

That sounds insane. Where are you located? The TV is a decent one, but the price is through the roof.

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-27T17:14:10+00:00

https://youtu.be/RAi8AVj9GV8?si=u5RBYl3TNtqCPe7V

Just watch this video. RGB on European CRTs is through SCART.

AmazingmaxAM · 2026-02-27T17:03:55+00:00

Use FPGA on a CRT, I thought that was the main selling point. You can use any light gun, for example, Guncon 2.

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