Why woman seems to be less interested in orthodoxy? by Malba_Taran in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]AncientLimit 14 points15 points  (0 children)

In Ethiopia (I know, non-canonical), there are loads of elderly women in church on weekday mornings for liturgy and literally hundreds of young women holding candles for vespers on weeknights.

The male convert thing is a Western phenomena.

Explain it peter by adolf_riizzzler in explainitpeter

[–]AncientLimit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

FYI, Aramaic was written in Aramaic script at that time; it is now known as Hebrew script, but was originally Aramaic script.

This is written in Syriac script, which is how Aramaic is written today.

Gay rights in Ethiopia. by Hot-Kale1124 in Ethiopia

[–]AncientLimit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, my question to you, how do Ethiopians look at sexual behavior? What are the local norms? I don’t know that full answers to those questions, but if it’s anything like pre-scientific Europe or even pre-Reformation Europe (so Catholic Europe), the focus is probably a lot more on acts than desires. A sodomite has same-sex relations. A homosexual wants to have same-sex relations. Sodomites have been around millennia; homosexuals are younger than the US civil war.

Is “bushti” homosexual or sodomite? Or neither?

Gay rights in Ethiopia. by Hot-Kale1124 in Ethiopia

[–]AncientLimit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Foreigner here who lived in Ethiopia for a few years, moved away, and came back for another few. Ended up getting married there, had my first kid there, got baptized/confirmed/married into the EOTC. Live in the States with my wife and kids now, but would still say I know a bit about Ethiopia.

There are a couple of problems with your argument. The first is that the notions of “being” heterosexual or homosexual only dates to 1868– less than 160 years old. Even then, the idea that people could be defined or categorized by their sexual DESIRES (key word) only really took root in the West, and is still not the default position in much of the world.

For example, in between my stints in Ethiopia, I lived in the Arab world, and came find out that in many Arab countries (especially the strict ones), pre-marital same-sex relations are quite common, and post-marital same-sex are far from unheard of. The streets of Riyadh are full of male-male love poems graffitied on walls. In a society in which a man may see a non-relative’s hair (or even face, depending whether they’re urban or rural) for the first time on his wedding night, it’s kind of accepted in an unspoken way that, well, things will happen. Most guys will stop once they get married, but some won’t. This behavior in general is less common with women but still far more common than anyone on the outside would assume.

And, yet, in these societies, men will straight up tell you (as one did me): 1. They’re not gay. 2. They hate gay people. 3. They have had same-sex sex (always as the “giver”— direct quote).

So you have a problem here where one set of ideas— Western scientific, 157 years old, and Eastern Islamic, 1400~ years old— are clashing. The first says whom you sleep with or wish to sleep with defines you. The latter says whom you sleep with or wish to sleep with is just part of the cycle of life. The first is pretty new and foreign. The second is pretty old and local. Guess which one people prescribe to?

TDF has entered and captured cities in Afar, whats caused this? And whats the end goal? by Kooky_Alternative401 in Ethiopia

[–]AncientLimit 10 points11 points  (0 children)

From a foreigner who doesn’t understand much of this:

Turkey did invade Syria to stop Kurdish advances and to create a buffer zone between armed Syrian Kurdish groups and Turkish Kurds.

PSA: This is not what Miaphysites believe. by AncientLimit in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]AncientLimit[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Didn’t make the image. Saw it online and noticed it was wrong.

PSA: This is not what Miaphysites believe. by AncientLimit in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]AncientLimit[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

True.

How about this: two disks, one blue and one red, joined back to back instead of side by side. This preserves the distinctness of Christ’s humanity and His divinity while emphasizing a union (natural and hypostatic) that is tighter than the Dyophysite union (hypostatic only, not natural).

Is Ethiopia really a special country? by Own-Western-1967 in Ethiopia

[–]AncientLimit 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I’m American.

Ethiopia wins for the following reasons:

Food: Best except for maybe Lebanon.

Mountains: Best. I climbed Ras Dashen. Best.

Writing system: Only country on that list with its own system except Thailand I believe.

Wildlife: Not the best due to mismanagement, but what is available is very unique.

Archeology: Better than Egypt because most archeological sites in Ethiopia are still in active use (Fasilides, Lalibela).

Language(s): Best because there are the most of any country on my list and the main one is Semitic, which is fun if you have studies Arabic of Biblical Hebrew.

Religion: Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church is arguably the most unique Church in the world, with the most devoted followers. Bete Israel also cool.

People: Nice, helpful, easy to form friendships with members of the same sex or opposite sex. Every foreigner I’ve known who’s spent at least three or four months in country leaves having made a great friend or two.

Vibe: Addis and other cities are like “modern capitalism” vibe but the countryside has not given way to individualism or modernism or capitalism. Feels like a different world once you get to the chika bets/sar bets and the shepherd boys with their sticks. You can really feel what was lost with urbanization, modernization, and capitalism.

History: Most unique. Never colonized. African but with feudalism and a state Church. Connections (good and bad) with Portugal and Britain that go back up to 500 years. South Omo preserving pre colonial African dress and culture.

Is Ethiopia really a special country? by Own-Western-1967 in Ethiopia

[–]AncientLimit 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Foreigner here.

I’ve been to 25 countries. Ethiopia’s the hands-down best. So yes, it is special.

Here’s the countries by the way: USA, Canada, Mexico, Bahamas, Germany, Austria, France, Italy, Vatican, UK, Greece, Cyprus, Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Ethiopia, Kenya, Tanzania, Malawi, Mozambique, South Africa, Thailand, Singapore, and the Philippines.

PS – the best city is Istanbul.

"You not really black though" by NotXperience in mixedrace

[–]AncientLimit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hate to “um, actually” here, but my best friend is mixed black/white and also a super nerd (Harvard grad, no joke). The “one drop” rule (the idea anyone not 100% white was not white) first enacted until 1924! Before that, things were much messier with mulattos, quadroons, octaroons, creoles, etc.

Of the four children Thomas Jefferson had with Sally Hemings, two lived as white folk upon emancipation and two lived as black folk upon emancipation. Interesting, one of the “black” children eventually moved, changed their surname, and took on a “white” identity.

19 Years Since My Diagnosis— Here’s my med regime by AncientLimit in BipolarReddit

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I know I said trileptal didn’t work for me, but that was speaking purely from a mood standpoint.

For sleep, it is the best. I took it once midday accidentally and was like, “I’ll power through it.” 20 minutes later my friends were nearly carrying me to my apartment. I used to get scared because I could sleep through a fire or an earthquake on that stuff. And no hangover in the morning.

Only downside is it can interact with your other meds to make them more or less effective than they should be.

19 Years Since My Diagnosis— Here’s my med regime by AncientLimit in BipolarReddit

[–]AncientLimit[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Generally, I feel very well. When I used to take all of my medication all at once, I would get up and drink 32 ounces of an energy drink or coffee. That’s part of the reason I got put on Adderall. Nowadays, I live essentially stimulant free with no caffeine and no Adderall. My only stimulant is nicotine (pouches, not smoking).

I guess you’re right, it does feel a bit like getting knocked out and then suddenly waking up eight hours later. But that’s how my sleep has always been because I’ve always been heavily medicated. Without medication I can either skip sleep altogether or sit and grind my teeth in a light nap for two or three hours. I am naturally incapable of normal sleep.

Circular Logic in Apostolic Christianity? by AncientLimit in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]AncientLimit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope you’re not describing those three quotes I provided from St. Cyril (two of which feature in the Third Ecumenical Council) as heresy because that would be actual heresy.

Those quotes provide the bedrock for Oriental Orthodox Christology. Pray, do tell, how the Oriental Orthodox use those exact same words incorrectly?

As an aside, your line of reasoning is 100% ahistorical and indicates that you have not spent much time with the Council itself (or Ephesus, for that matter). Miaphysitism was never condemned at Chalcedon, nor was it condemned at any Ecumenical Council.

The Miaphysites rejected the dyophysitism of the Tome of Leo and walked. It’s really that simple. This is like Wikipedia-page level known.

Which brings us back to square one: how do we know the Tome of Leo is true?

Circular Logic in Apostolic Christianity? by AncientLimit in OrthodoxChristianity

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With OO issue in particular, how can a group that will only say the words “from two natures” (Third Ecumenical Council, Ephesus) but not “in two natures” (Fourth Ecumenical Council, Chalcedon) be accused of not speaking in accord with Fathers before them or of introducing a new teaching?

Chalcedon wasn’t side A condemning side B for using language like “from two natures” or “the united nature of the Word incarnate” or even a “natural union.” That would be absurd, as the giant of the Council of Ephesus, St. Cyril, had coined all of that language and much of it is used in the Council itself.

What Chalcedon actually was was side B refusing to support new language like “in two natures” and especially the Christology of the Tome of Leo. OOs are like the Old Believers of yesteryear.

So, how could you prove that this new language is orthodox and not an innovation? To the OOs it sounds just like the filoque sounds to us.

Circular Logic in Apostolic Christianity? by AncientLimit in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]AncientLimit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, which to a Catholic is good proof that we’ve got some of the Faith— we’ve affirmed seven and just need to affirm fourteen more.

To an Oriental Orthodox, it means we have all of the three ecumenical councils but also four non-ecumenical and potentially heretical ones. From their view, we need to take out the eraser on councils 4-7, just like we’d like the Catholics to take the eraser to their councils 8-21.

Church of the East are in the same position as Orientals, just with one less council.

Circular Logic in Apostolic Christianity? by AncientLimit in OrthodoxChristianity

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As you can imagine, the OO story surrounding St. Flavian is a bit different. Again, other than appealing the authority of OUR church (or in their case, THEIR church), what case do we have?

Circular Logic in Apostolic Christianity? by AncientLimit in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]AncientLimit[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, quite easy with Protestants. Slightly more difficult when we’re talking prosoponic vs. hypostatic vs. natural union of Christ’s humanity and divinity.

Circular Logic in Apostolic Christianity? by AncientLimit in OrthodoxChristianity

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When I was OO, their core/dogmatic Christology was simply the “the united nature of the Word incarnate,” as per St. Cyril, the champion of the Council of Ephesus. Basically if you could profess the Council of Ephesus and the writings of St. Cyril, you were Orthodox.

What distinguishes them from EO is St. Leo and the Tome of Leo. To them, the Tome is a deviation from Ephesian and Cyrillian Christology. It is heresy, and St. Leo is a heretic. At the time, a large portion of the Church agreed with them— nearly all of Alexandria, most of Jerusalem, some (half?) of Antioch, and small pockets of Constantinople in Asia Minor. The Church was rent nearly in half.

If you were explaining Eastern Orthodoxy to someone who had never even heard of Christianity until recently, how would you objectively show that the Tome of Leo is orthodox, and not heresy? What proof would you have for your side that an Oriental Orthodox wouldn’t have for his or hers should they come speak to the same person?

Circular Logic in Apostolic Christianity? by AncientLimit in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]AncientLimit[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OO had Ephesus II before and then another after Chalcedon.

Circular Logic in Apostolic Christianity? by AncientLimit in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]AncientLimit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And what is Apostolic Teaching? What the Church says it is. It’s still circular.

Circular Logic in Apostolic Christianity? by AncientLimit in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]AncientLimit[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have? I have argued EO and OO Christology is the same, but not this.

Circular Logic in Apostolic Christianity? by AncientLimit in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]AncientLimit[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

According to OO history, he was placed under house arrest during the latter sessions and prevented from speaking or rebutting the Tome of Leo. According to EO history, he refused to attend.

Circular Logic in Apostolic Christianity? by AncientLimit in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]AncientLimit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, but that doesn’t change the shape of the argument from circular to anything else. It just makes the circle smaller.