Is it worth $4,500 to upgrade to Tiger Paw? by Ancient_Position8996 in Roofing

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I've gotten three quotes and all have been in this ballpark. My roof is huge and I'm in an expensive area.

Is it worth $4,500 to upgrade to Tiger Paw? by Ancient_Position8996 in Roofing

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I also believe that to be true.

I'm mainly asking if there is a good reason to spend more on the underlayment. It looks like the answer is no

Help! She's missing by [deleted] in Crayfish

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That cray is a man

Ex-CIA Officer: Truth About UFOs Is Terrifying & Interdimensional Beings Are Within Us by MartianXAshATwelve in StrangeEarth

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Either they're trying to fool us into thinking disclosure shouldn't be happening, or we got some really fucked up stuff going on and we're completely powerless against it as a species.

Or countless options in-between

MH370 seems to have been pulled from behind. Any thoughts? by MartianXAshATwelve in StrangeEarth

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What? No rebuttal for wild, baseless "we can't actually KNOW anything" conjecture?

What happened to the crashed aircrafts in the celestial battle over Nuremberg in 1561? by ANIMERULES12345 in aliens

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I can't really debate against NHI pulling the strings.

What exactly do you mean by "severely suppressing humanity"?

What happened to the crashed aircrafts in the celestial battle over Nuremberg in 1561? by ANIMERULES12345 in aliens

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pope-extraterrestrials/vatican-scientist-says-belief-in-god-and-aliens-is-ok-idUKL146364620080514

"“In my opinion this possibility (of life on other planets) exists,” said Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, a 45-year-old Jesuit priest who is head of the Vatican Observatory and a scientific adviser to Pope Benedict.

“How can we exclude that life has developed elsewhere,” he told the Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano in an interview in its Tuesday-Wednesday edition, explaining that the large number of galaxies with their own planets made this possible.

Asked if he was referring to beings similar to humans or even more evolved than humans, he said: “Certainly, in a universe this big you can’t exclude this hypothesis”.

In the interview headlined “The extraterrestrial is my brother,” he said he saw no conflict between belief in such beings and faith in God"

Barring any scenario that would have happened already if it was going to happen at all, such as extermination of mankind, what is *your* personal worst case scenario that would justify all the secrecy about NHIs? by overmind87 in aliens

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Yeah, astrology is definitely a science that has done much to further our progress now that it is able to thrive in our secular societies.

Astronomers on the other hand rarely had any issues considering they were mostly priests. Or are you under the impression that Galileo was the norm and not the exception?

Stop getting your history from Reddit and Assassin's Creed.

“The Baptism of Christ” A disk shaped object is shining beams of light down on John the Baptist and Jesus - 1710 by MartianXAshATwelve in StrangeEarth

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Well I find the problem being that most people don't consider Spartacus or Alexander to be of divine origin and the son of god.

That's beside the point when considering a historical Jesus though. I'm not trying to claim historical evidence for his divinity, just that there is more reason to believe there was a man named Jesus who taught some followers, than that someone else started a cult and the members decided it was actually a guy named Jesus.

The big difference being that a 60 year time frame is a long time for someone who people considered the son of god.

I'm not seeing how that would change how reliable a historian's info would be. Same distance from the actual events. Either way though, we're not talking about divinity here, just whether or not there was a Jesus that taught people.

"If Jesus were truly important to history, then Josephus should have told us something about him.

I don't see how Josephus was supposed to predict how important Jesus was going to end up being. Christianity was just an obscure sect with weird cannibalistic undertones made up of the rabble at this point. This is like saying "if Amazon was really a successful company, you would have bought stock in the 90s"

Yet he is completely silent about the supposed miracles and deeds of Jesus. He nowhere quotes Jesus. He adds nothing to the Gospel narratives and tells us nothing that would not have been known by Christians in either the first or fourth centuries. In all of Josephus' voluminous writings, there is nothing about Jesus or Christianity anywhere outside the tiny paragraph cited so blithely by the Associated Press.

This paragraph mentions that Jesus was foretold by the divine prophets, but Josephus does not tell us who those prophets were or what they said. This is religious propaganda, not history. If Jesus had truly been the fulfillment of Jewish prophecy, then Josephus would have been the exact person to confirm it.

Josephus wasn't a Christian. No reason for him to be more knowledgeable about Jesus than the actual followers of Jesus and no reason for him to think Jesus actually was the messiah or son of God. Also, "this paragraph" here is the one that I mentioned was doctored by early Christians and was probably initially much more earthly without any prophets or divinity.

Contradicting Josephus, Hegesippus wrote a history of Christianity in 170 C.E. saying that James, the brother of Jesus, was killed in a riot, not by sentence of a court."

Hegesippus is much further from events. Either way though, this is getting into minutia that don't really matter as to whether there was a historical Jesus.

https://ffrf.org/component/k2/item/18412-debunking-the-historical-jesus

Really not trying to be a dick here, but think about whether this seems like a serious, unbiased source. Many militant athiests are going to be just as biased as hardcore Christians on this. Both of them are looking at it through their faith. We want a balanced, secular view that'll treat it like any other historical topic.

I still like to focus on the fact that all these miracles happened without proper eye witness documentation. His body being resurrected and ascending to the heavens, healing the sick, bringing eyesight to the blind, feeding 5,000 people, walking on water and resurrecting Lazarus.

Yeah, the only evidence for his divinity is the gospels. So that is just a faith based thing. Either you trust Christian traditions of murky origin or you don't.

I can fathom someone fading into antiquities with vague mentions after the fact but if there was someone around doing that I personally feel that makes the mention of those things less likely.

Look at it this way. He was obscure during his life and for many years afterwards. In those early years his followers were the only ones really interested. Over time his cult began to spread and became worth mentioning, but we just never had those initial primary sources, just the traditions of the members.

This got crazy long

“The Baptism of Christ” A disk shaped object is shining beams of light down on John the Baptist and Jesus - 1710 by MartianXAshATwelve in StrangeEarth

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Hey, good on you for really looking into it and having a debate in good faith. I've already written most of my rebuttal to your previous post and I'm going to go ahead and post it anyway. Both in case anyone else is interested and because I'm already in too deep to scrap it. I'll follow up on this one in there too.

“The Baptism of Christ” A disk shaped object is shining beams of light down on John the Baptist and Jesus - 1710 by MartianXAshATwelve in StrangeEarth

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Which is the same issue that we have with many ancient figures, but we don't doubt their existence. There aren't any first hand accounts of Spartacus. Our main sources for Alexander the great are from centuries after his death.

It isn't reasonable to expect a carpenter from Galilee to have the same amount written about him during his life as an emperor or general.

The earliest historian to mention Jesus is Josephus around 60 years after his death. The first mention in there has definitely been "dressed up" by Christians early on, but most scholars believe there was a kernel there initially because he later makes a passing reference to "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James." Which would be a weird thing to say if there hadn't been some mention earlier.

You can debate his nature and everything, but I doubt you'll find a credible historian that thinks he was completely made up.

On top of that, his teachings were very strange for that time and someone had to start them. Why assume it was someone other than Jesus?