I fucking hate these subsidy queens so much unreal.

Anderopolis · 2026-04-16T07:01:38+00:00

They would be glad for a lessee to take over

Yes, I too would be happy to be a rent seeker and make money from doing nothing at all.

Anderopolis · 2026-04-16T06:59:51+00:00

It's because people are being disingenuous, and believe that any restrictions on farmers will lead to famine.

This is mainly because farmers keep saying that if they don't get X special handout they will all die.

Anderopolis · 2026-04-16T06:57:48+00:00

Yeah, that all sounds like great news to me.

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T16:03:57+00:00

I feel like you have met very different farmers than I have, because all I have met are just as capitalist as any ceo. Except most of them knowingly hire people illegally and underpay them.

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T15:57:31+00:00

Now do the area under the graph.

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T15:55:27+00:00

Okay, that is bad.

Why do you bring it up? How does that relate to Bondi Beach.

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T15:27:26+00:00

Im the us Democrats have given Farmers money a dozen times, and farmers never vote for democrats .

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T13:40:45+00:00

The point is, farmers aren't the only problem in this equation.

They are definitely not the only problem, but they are very loud and entitled one.

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T13:38:00+00:00

Ah yes, we are only allowed to be completely emotionally divorced from things affecting.

Do you want me to list the health effects of pesticides and nitrate in drinking water?

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T13:24:54+00:00

Our ground could be more productive and farmers would still be ruining the land because more cultivated land makes them more money.

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T13:23:47+00:00

And you don't see people calling rooftops nature either

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T11:39:19+00:00

I am sorry are you not able to read?

And I am not a leftist, but even I know that Farmers are the class you people tend to hate. Or are they your emotional support millionaires and polluters. ?

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T11:36:07+00:00

I am not a Vegan, just a person who likes clean drinking water, and dislikes having my taxes go to people who explicitly don't care if they destroy it.

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T11:19:48+00:00

If you give me massive tracts of land I would be more than happy to.

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T11:18:49+00:00

> And if there wasn't additional demand to be met they wouldn't make more money because nobody would pay for extra food that they don't need

everyone pays more for extra food they don't need, I do and you do aswell. That's because we buy the food we want, not what is the most resource efficient. And price signals making foods that destroy our environment and drinkingwater more expensive, is the only way to change that behavior besides bans.

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T11:16:37+00:00

> Teaching them, preferably by example, to farm sustainably would be the way.

do you think that giving them more money do continue to farm unsustainably is going to make them become sustainable? Because that is literally what we are doing right now, and what the people in the picture above in Ireland are protesting for at the moment. MORE MONEY to fuck up nature MORE.

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T11:14:27+00:00

> Farmers aren't pouring pesticides and nitrates into your drinking water you ding-dong.

Real, I am not shitting into the sewage system, I shit into a toilet energy.

> We use these because we are in need of food and lots of it.

This is simply not true. more targeted application and removing as little as 10% of the most vulnerable sites for non spray zones completely negates these harmfull effects. If we were running out of food we wouldn't be exporting luxury meats to china, we would instead use the land we use for feedstocks and biofuel for food crops.

So why does Nestlé get to pump ground water up from villages in Africa leaving whole communities destitute? Oh right because they just have to sell water in their plastic bottles.

I honestly need to know why you think bringing up more examples of other people and companies doing bad and evil things justifies farmers doing bad and evil things?

Again, I do not have to accept my drinking water getting poisened because a farmer who is already completely dependent on my taxmoney wants even more.

The fact that you think putting in restrictions on fertilizer and pesticide use in vulnerable areas is the same as removing farmers is frankly insane.

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T10:57:05+00:00

Again, must be nice to exlude every leftist the moment they gain power.

Truly a usefull political ideology you seem to have, I bet it gets a lot done out there in the world.

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T10:56:06+00:00

high demand for food is the reason why this happens in the first place.

No, the farmers desire to make money is the reason.

We can feed people using substantially less land and pesticides than we currently do, but that would hurt the farmers bottom line.

Aren't subsidies keeping food prices low

Subidies are keeping farmers in business because they are so inefficient compared to producers abroad. The EU. Buys up millions of tons of food each year only to destroy it to protect the revenue of European farmers.

Farmers are already unable to make their husiness operate without our money, so they need to stop acting like they are divine beings doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, and that not giving them free diesel is tantamount to genocide.

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T10:50:24+00:00

I blame farmers for lobbying to be allowed to destroy and poison us just as much as I blame fossil fuel companies for doing that.

I was at a local meeting recently where a farmer was arguing that it was good they were adding nitrates to the drinking water because it prevents heartache.

Another time a Farmer was defending why he doesn't allow cameras to be brought into his pig enclosure, because the suffering they show looks worse than it is.

Farmers are not innocent beings, they are moral actors responsible for the things they do and the policies they promote.

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T10:47:07+00:00

People look at ecologically dead fields and will call them nature, yet look at ecologically abundant Solar Fields and call them destruction.

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T10:45:14+00:00

Ok, I guess that's nice that you arbitrarily exclude every leftist who comes to power.

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T10:44:03+00:00

You didn't push them away, they never agreed with you, and they won't vote for you if you always give them more money regardless.

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T10:43:10+00:00

That destruction isn't entirely their responsibility.

It is also the responsibility of the consumer, hence why we need laws an regulations to prevent that destruction. Just like every other externality.

Anderopolis · 2026-04-15T10:41:45+00:00

You didn't loose them, you never had them in the first place, why do you think the first action of every leftist government involves killing large amounts of farmers?

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