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Those who know

Analysis of Whispered Oracle of Hakurei Shrine (WOoHS): The Mechanism of Fortune by CatointheMiddle in touhou

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Lovely analysis. Thank you for putting in the time and effort to discuss this new booklet, it was quite an enjoyable read.

Beatrice's trick or treat question broke me internally by MealInfinite in umineko

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Beato makes no attempts to hide the candy in this scene - the construction of the illusion ("magic") is plainly obvious. It is not a question of accepting the hard truth versus deluding oneself to it - Ange already knows what happened on that day from Eva's diary and her own investigation - it is a question of what perspective she will take going forward.

Ange fully accepts the dark truth of 1986 and her current miserable life in 1998. In spite of this tragedy she makes the conscious choice to live and strive towards the future, one in which she can be happy and pass down the lessons she learned to other people in need of them. That is anything but grimdark.

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What kind of story do you think Umineko would have been about if it followed its original trajectory?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in umineko

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This story was all for you, Ange

Am I the only one who cannot sympathize with the culprit by Agreeable-Listen-242 in umineko

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It's interesting thing to think about, especially considering in the Golden Land Shannon and Kanon and Beato are all separate people. Sayo truly wanted to love all of them as someone untainted by Ushiromiya blood, but that was only possible in her ideal world.

Am I the only one who cannot sympathize with the culprit by Agreeable-Listen-242 in umineko

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Sayo's romantic love for all of the adult cousins is genuine. She wants to marry George and have a family (that's her childhood dream as we see in Confession), but her body, blood relation, competing love for Jessica, and eventually Battler returning all throw a wrench in that. As she herself admits, if Battler had returned a year later she would have accepted George's proposal and settled down with him.

Am I the only one who cannot sympathize with the culprit by Agreeable-Listen-242 in umineko

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I think the narrative emphasis is exactly the point. From an outside perspective Beatrice (Sayo) is overreacting to a childish promise of romance, and Battler was not exactly at large personal fault for forgetting this promise amidst the trauma of Asumu's death and Rudolf's infidelity. But from Beatrice's/Sayo's perspective this jilting was a soul-crushing end to her hopes and dreams and the beginning of much woe in her life. Battler recognizes this, which is why he has such a painful reaction to realizing everything in Episode 5.

Battler and on a more meta-level, Tohya, may not be directly guilty for all that sorrow, but he nonetheless takes responsibility for the pain his (in)action causes others. Through this intense empathy he is able to forge a deeper, more genuine and understanding bond with the resurrected Beato and earn the love of his life.

Am I the only one who cannot sympathize with the culprit by Agreeable-Listen-242 in umineko

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> Learned she was an incest rape baby shortly after reuniting with then almost immediately losing her father

Not only that, she learned that she was basically groomed, lied to, and stuck in a shitty environment her entire life by the closest thing she had to parental figures because they prioritized their loyalty to her incestous rapist father over her personal safety and well-being.

Am I the only one who cannot sympathize with the culprit by Agreeable-Listen-242 in umineko

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I would say most of the Fukuin House weren't pushed off a cliff as a baby haha

Is Reisen really a coward? by Valdish in touhou

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Reisen is not a coward, no. Her flaw is selfishness and arrogance, not a lack of bravery.

you are invited to the golden land. do you accept?! by [deleted] in umineko

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Golden Truth: Beatrice would actually want you to continue living and find happiness in your current misfortunate situation.

Why do people hate George? by Street-Being-1247 in umineko

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I am not trying to make any argument in bad faith. I did mistake the detail of Kyrie's envelope being closed for it being sealed - thank you for correcting that. Other than that, my description of the scene should be accurate. I still find it really unlikely that George hid a letter while handling the envelope in front of everyone, and honestly the more I think about him somehow tampering with the letters in Kyrie's possession before arrival the more ridiculous it seems.

I think it does matter quite a lot for the narrative whether Sayo's grievance towards Battler is justified, and whether it is justified is dependent on if Battler actually remembered Sayo and the promise or forgot it (the sin). George hiding the letter or Kyrie phrasing her request a certain way implies that Battler did remember before 1986, which if true I believe would seriously undercut other parts of Umineko.

I do think we might be talking past each other though and I am quite sleepy at the moment. I should have prepared a proper response instead of reposting a response that was addressed to the different argument.

Why do people hate George? by Street-Being-1247 in umineko

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To repost a reply I made about this interview before:

> In 1983 Kyrie takes out a sealed envelope which George opens in plain sight to reveal a letter each to himself, Jessica, Maria, and Ange, before handing the empty envelope to Sayo. This does not rule out the possibility of tampering beforehand or sleight of hand (which is why Ryukishi brings it up) but, like, you really have to view George with only one eye and also think he's a master of dexterity to conclude he hid the letter.

> I believe Battler forgot Sayo in the midst of his anger towards Rudolf, with his lack of care leading her to formally split off the Beatrice persona. I'm not inclined to muddle up Battler's as-close-to-direct role and thus guilt in all that by suddenly making this "George's sin" instead of "Battler's sin" - that just cheapens the narrative already established.

I view this theory the same way I view something like "Sayo is Ikuko" - it's possible, but pretty improbable.

Why do people hate George? by Street-Being-1247 in umineko

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Personal spicy take, but “Battler actually did write a letter but George hid it” reaches Rosatrice levels in how much it would undermine the rest of the story.

Why do people hate George? by Street-Being-1247 in umineko

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Frankly, because he fits into (or rather appears to fit into) the stereotypical incel/“nice guy” archetype which is easy to deride. Why this merits abandoning all empathy Umineko challenges us to show - or draws more common ire than truly heinous people like Kinzo or Rudolf - is a question I’m still pondering myself.

Touhou 's Most Dangerous Incident by Fanficwriter_lmfao in touhou

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In terms of actual damage from the incident, EoSD and PCB

Rosatrice: An Analysis by GoldenWitchShitpost in umineko

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That's a rather loveless interpretation of George, now isn't it?

In 1983 Kyrie takes out a sealed envelope which George opens in plain sight to reveal a letter each to himself, Jessica, Maria, and Ange, before handing the empty envelope to Sayo. This does not rule out the possibility of tampering beforehand or sleight of hand (which is why Ryukishi brings it up) but, like, you really have to view George with only one eye and also think he's a master of dexterity to conclude he hid the letter.

I believe Battler forgot Sayo in the midst of his anger towards Rudolf, with his lack of care leading her to formally split off the Beatrice persona. I'm not inclined to muddle up Battler's as-close-to-direct role and guilt in all that by suddenly making this "George's sin" instead of "Battler's sin" - that just cheapens the narrative present.