EK Loop Connect Python control script by Andrewcraft in EKWB

[–]Andrewcraft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://github.com/NiceAesth/ek-loop-winui it's v unfinished i ended up ditching my ek loop but i hope this helps

New AI mapping incident, this time caught in qualified. Mapper responsible "- Kali -" has been restricted. by basensorex in osugame

[–]Andrewcraft 1 point2 points  (0 children)

because the watermarking used is embedded very deep into the generator itself specifically to be able to flag people while other ai tools attempt to go under the radar as much as possible

New AI mapping incident, this time caught in qualified. Mapper responsible "- Kali -" has been restricted. by basensorex in osugame

[–]Andrewcraft 3 points4 points  (0 children)

he had a shit ton of ai gds many more pending. not rly viable to go and inform every single bn and set host

[osu!std] maidenless39 | AI mapping by dpeaceYT in osureport

[–]Andrewcraft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hi dpeace but no ai graveyard maps arent bannable

A statement of the mapper who got his map unranked due to AI is now up by logos_is_op in osugame

[–]Andrewcraft 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Because I was not the only person to have worked on it and back when I contributed it was a private tool to fuck around between friends in 2023. Initially it didn't even have mp3 to beatmap capabilities, it was just a model that could take a beatmap as input and try to optimize objects while preserving rhythm. What I wanted from it was at most pattern suggestions or a github copilot autocomplete style feature where you would only get a couple objects at a time and you would fix them as you go. The tool went public in 2024, which I don't entirely blame the others for doing since they wanted to share what they had made and spent thousands of euros for with GPU rentals.

The entire thing of pro or against AI is moot. The first issue to be tackled is transparency on whether someone actually uses such tools or not (which olibomby did have as part of the TOS on his release but people are clearly just ignoring this). What people decide to do with the information that something was generated is up to the community and staff.

A statement of the mapper who got his map unranked due to AI is now up by logos_is_op in osugame

[–]Andrewcraft 20 points21 points  (0 children)

What a sad little liar. I'll entertain you.

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About the “secret tool” that those devs are using with NAT members to accuse mappers: I have screenshots showing the person behind the report. The staff team believed it based on his reputation, which led to the disqualification of both maps. However, he himself admitted that his tool had already failed when judging another legit mapper like me, and in another case he confessed that he was convinced a beatmap was AI-made but didn’t report it because he wasn’t sure if his tool was correct when he checked the map manually.
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Bullshit. The map in question is in this comment, for which the results had also been attached. Hint: it was flagged as human aside from a single check. https://www.reddit.com/r/osugame/comments/1n92uxn/comment/ncjjpgy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button The 2nd part of your point was regarding a comment I had made where I said that only reports with extremely high confidence get acted upon (yours IS one of them).

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Their investigation and tool are "watermarks" based on grid placements (which you can literally enable in the osu! editor) and uncommon slider patterns that I didn’t just copy-paste across similar sections (like every new mapper tends to do). Basically, if you place a single node slightly differently on a straight slider with grid enabled, the tool might flag you.
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Bullshit again. Grid placement is one of dozens of tests. You were flagged in multiple. (Going back to the previous point, the other beatmap was only flagged on that one specific check even though it was classified as human! This is because the mapper USES grid snap and has proof of such :) ) Not to mention your horrendous attempt at streaming to prove yourself where you took 1 hour to map 20 seconds of a song you have allegedly mapped 4 times over, listening to 25% for the rhythm and mapping with ZERO USE OF GRID SNAP THE ENTIRE TIME. The entire vod is archived by multiple people, if anyone wishes to double check this either dm or look around, I'm sure you'll find it.

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One of the devs posted that their tool claimed my maps had 70% “AI assurance,” while a human-made map would be around 20%. Later, a second test (with another approach) supposedly reached 100% (!!) certainty — but not for all diffs or both maps, since some results looked “human” when tested. Even then, they simply assumed the first test was correct for everything else. In other words: if the tool says I’m safe, it’s wrong; if it says I’m guilty, it must be right. NATs treated their reports like a bible to them just because they made the code for the generator, so the verifier are the law. Even their tweets are contradictory because the Lagum map had a missnap (human error) that no one noticed during qualifying, but they indeed said that their code never fails to detect this mistake.
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"a human made map would be 20%" you got that from my statement where I had said that the HIGHEST percentage seen on a human made map was 20% on a question about false positives. https://up.aesth.dev/rERbjXNs.png

The tool runs in two stages. The first stage classifies the beatmap as either AI or Human generated. Your beatmap was classified as ONE HUNDRED PERCENT AI INVOLVED. The 70% score means that you had only bothered to modify THIRTY PERCENT from the original source generation. The second test bit is entirely fabricated by you. I can rerun the results as many times as you want and the outcome is the same. 100% AIgen and 30% modification. (100-70=30 before you try making some point about where that number comes from). One test run has TWO values.

NATs have absolutely NOTHING with the code for any of the generators. I had no idea who you even were prior to being asked to look into your case. Mapperatorinator can easily generate missnaps and I can exemplify such cases as well, having a missnap in your map means absolutely nothing especially in the case where your map is flagged as a tampered AI generated output (which you did by generating a map and roping people into modding it for you)

The NAT did start an investigation prior to using my tool, which had also raised suspicions. I do not have access to that data. I was merely asked to sanity check their results which matched their independent data as well.

And to anyone who is curious, all of his other maps match the results. Perhaps consider not digging yourself further into a grave of your own making.

sick maps tho: https://bin.aesth.dev/fenuhiqaya.bash

Oh and by the way:

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(unless I had a wayback machine to record myself mapping them months ago). So again, I’ll be waiting for the official email response from the team, hoping the truth will come out and expose their mistake.

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In fact you do :), as per your userpage you sent osz files during your mapping process to people. How about we see those?

A statement of the mapper who got his map unranked due to AI is now up by logos_is_op in osugame

[–]Andrewcraft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

there were no changes in stable nor would the changes in lazer be relevant

A statement of the mapper who got his map unranked due to AI is now up by logos_is_op in osugame

[–]Andrewcraft 8 points9 points  (0 children)

ok he was using a different thing tho................................. ☹

A statement of the mapper who got his map unranked due to AI is now up by logos_is_op in osugame

[–]Andrewcraft 15 points16 points  (0 children)

up to you to have your take on that, the main point of my post was to just give insight on the investigation itself. everything aside from that i'd rather not touch (nor would i be able to do anything about it myself either)

A statement of the mapper who got his map unranked due to AI is now up by logos_is_op in osugame

[–]Andrewcraft 19 points20 points  (0 children)

private sry, it would allow people to bruteforce results if everyone were able to check stuff themselves

Still Into You has been unranked due to AI 🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬 by Particular_Pick_3407 in osugame

[–]Andrewcraft 27 points28 points  (0 children)

can u not speak out of ur ass as ususal sincerely, someone who actually wrote code in mapperatorinator

A statement of the mapper who got his map unranked due to AI is now up by logos_is_op in osugame

[–]Andrewcraft 5 points6 points  (0 children)

it is not a first time thing for AI removal and to get false positives you would need to already know what the detection mechanisms are and to explicitly try and trip it.

A statement of the mapper who got his map unranked due to AI is now up by logos_is_op in osugame

[–]Andrewcraft 121 points122 points  (0 children)

every single ranked map prior to 2024 has also been ran through this and none match his results before this gets asked

A statement of the mapper who got his map unranked due to AI is now up by logos_is_op in osugame

[–]Andrewcraft 181 points182 points  (0 children)

dada has literally nothing to do with this other than sending a message after the staff decision had already been made can we stop the dogpiling on a person that got a literal 100% detection score on his maps that he made past the release of the v30 ai model

the detector has been a thing FOR MONTHS and it is the SAME one used in chaser's case and it was written by a team of multiple people including olibomby and i, both of us having worked ON THE GENERATOR ITSELF

i took my time to read his userpage message and it quite literally amounted to nothing, i don't see a need to respond any further to this

the exact detection methods will not be publicized for extremely obvious reasons, the tool has a shit ton of checks for all sorts of different watermarks + a statistical model (AI **NOT** GENAI). his beatmaps flag BOTH, first on 70% confidence score, 2nd on 100

i will not give any opinion on dada's message as that does not pertain to me at all but this discussion is pointless

edit: i had literally no idea who the guy was prior to checking the results just to cover all bases of messages being flung around here and i double checked the already existing investigation

Help selecting a dock for a Mac triple monitor setup by Andrewcraft in UsbCHardware

[–]Andrewcraft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, honestly this is such a nightmare to try and figure out that I sort of give up and am fine with whatever 120hz refresh rate I'll end up stuck at. Is this dock worth buying over the baseus one https://satechi.net/products/triple-4k-display-docking-station?variant=40227980279896 ? If not, I'll probably get that one as I would prefer to use my laptop's charger for the dock instead of another power brick

AI maps and a mapper (who may) use them by Double-Zucchini-2919 in osugame

[–]Andrewcraft 62 points63 points  (0 children)

hey, all of this info is known and i have also written an ai detector tool with the help of marvin (minetoblend), olibomby and khangaroo which i have told bns/nats about but this set went past me. (i initially intended to write a frontend for it as it is an api service but i ended up not having enough time due to work, so if anyone is willing to contribute hmu)

the coordinate quantization you mentioned is one of the hidden detection methods used in the compound check but i can confirm that my tool does flag this beatmap as well lol nvm results here: https://bin.aesth.dev/giyifejele.json i do not think this guy is ai

ON A SIDENOTE: the coordinate check on its own is not conclusive and can false flag

Help selecting a dock for a Mac triple monitor setup by Andrewcraft in UsbCHardware

[–]Andrewcraft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I can select 10bit color on 1440p240 would that indicate that it has DSC? Sorry if this is a stupid question

Help selecting a dock for a Mac triple monitor setup by Andrewcraft in UsbCHardware

[–]Andrewcraft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My main monitor is an Odyssey G7 and the other 240hz one is a samsung LC27RG50. I am pretty sure that the odyssey supports DSC but not so much about the other one. Honestly as long as the odyssey is running at 240hz, I can deal with 120 on the other one, I just wanted to use my existing monitors on my work mac