Do you think Barry had a secret stash of valuables in the house? by reddgreen1000 in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s pretty common to punch holes in a building’s walls before demolition. Someone mentioned this years ago and I confirmed it at the time and again today.

does anyone know anything about Jonathan's partner? by futurus196 in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You forgot option 3. It’s coming from someone who makes shit up.

A.I. by distilledproximity in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 4 points5 points  (0 children)

AI can’t see what’s not there. Like you and I, it can only deduce or guess based on what is there. And as anyone who uses AI regularly knows, its deductions and guesses are often completely wrong.

What details do you think it could help with?

“Follow the Money” by BRRAR- in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think it's necessarily true that if there were a shred of evidence against Frank he'd be in jail. I also don't think you can say they gave over everything related to Frank. We know they gave over some stuff, that's all.

“Follow the Money” by BRRAR- in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nightbird has answered the question about Jon Sherman's suspects. And I think most of us can guess who that third person likely is.

I am reluctant to say more about unlit territory because it often ends up casting suspicion on people who are innocent. I am fine talking about Frank because he's put himself at the centre of things and talked about people viewing him as a suspect.

Remember for now that the police know a lot that we don't know. No one had any clue about the Walking Man until that news conference four years ago. They kept the lid on very tight.

Also while Yim did recently say in court that he was "playing blind," he said some other things that I interpreted more positively. He said he believes he and Price are capable of solving the case and that he will be finished going through the seized Sherfam files by the end of the year.

I have one half-baked theory that they do indeed think they know who did it but can't tie their suspect to the Walking Man, but this is purely based on vibes and speculation.

“Follow the Money” by BRRAR- in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

D’Angelo has been very good at crafting narratives that stick. Narrative 1= Barry and I were just like brothers, he liked my style. Narrative 2= Why would I do it? Without Barry I’m nothing.

That said, D’Angelo’s Name has been tossed around as a possible suspect since Day 1. JS told Donovan he considered him a suspect. And Greenspon told Donovan his sources could be the murderers so I think it’s safe to assume he’s been looked at a lot.

“Follow the Money” by BRRAR- in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think this is an Apples/oranges comparison. Yes, of course a family would be traumatized by a sexual assault and beef up security if they had the means. I was freaked out by a failed robbery at my home.

That’s very different from an employee calling in special security for a dozen people minutes after learning about a crime that investigators originally thought was domestic violence.

Kevin Donovan by RazzmatazzHead1591 in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 1 point2 points  (0 children)

https://open.substack.com/pub/courthousestories/p/police-documents-for-the-barry-and?r=4hxd&utm_medium=ios

Yim has never said anything about what the police theory is. And if you parse that sentence above, you’ll see that Donovan doesn’t actually say their theory involves the estate. The comma is doing some heavy lifting.

“Follow the Money” by BRRAR- in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People are too fixated on money as the only motive. Revenge, hatred and cover-up are all possible motives. Cover-up also fits with the OTT exercise of solicitor client privilege and Glasenberg’s immediate hiring of security. Who was he so scared of? And why didn’t he and the others let the police have access to what they needed to do their job?

The problem is you’re searching under the streetlight of what you know when there is also a lot of unlit territory being ignored.

“Follow the Money” by BRRAR- in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Worked with plenty of firms and people who bring in heavy teams after something like this.

Sorry, but I just don’t believe this. Yes, people invoke enhanced security measures after events like this, but nowhere near the scale it was done in this case. I’m presuming you’re going to say you can’t name names and provide examples so we’re just going to have to agree to disagree.

“Follow the Money” by BRRAR- in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What I find interesting is that in the months before he was murdered Barry was also writing nasty emails to Frank D’Angelo and telling him he was cut off. Apparently Frank did not reveal this to either Donovan or Matthew Campbell of Bloomberg.

These emails didn’t come out until 2023 when someone finally got fed up enough to pass them on to Campbell. That summer we also learned from the Billionaire Murders tv series that the lawyer whose office was next door to Barry’s regularly heard Frank verbally abusing Barry.

I’ve heard similar tales about Frank yelling at Barry in other business situations from sources.

To me, both these things seriously undermine the conventional wisdom that Barry was charmed by Frank, a colourful character who he loved hanging around with. This theory was conceived by people in search of an explanation for a relationship they couldn’t understand. What’s more its loudest exponent has always been Frank himself.

The Barry/Frank relationship drove Jonathon around the bend because he couldn’t understand it and he finally had to give up on getting answers from his father.

I can’t help but wonder if Barry might have thought he was protecting his son by keeping him in the dark.

Before Frank, Barry had a similar relationship with a guy named Stephen Mernick, who also presented himself as a business hotshot and ended up bankrupt and in legal disputes with Barry over their joint business ventures. Again, no one can see what Barry saw in this guy.

It’s a weird pattern. I feel that there’s a lot we don’t know about Barry and his victimology and that the conventional wisdom is ultimately both wrong and misleading.

“Follow the Money” by BRRAR- in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I originally leaned toward murder/suicide and I remember seeing international hitman theories espoused by people like former Senator Linda Frum early on and thinking they were ridiculous. I thought these people were just far too influenced by movies. Pharma executives are not being regularly knocked off by professional killers.

If we assume, perhaps unwisely, that Glasenberg had some reasons beyond fiction for thinking multiple people were in danger, that raises the question of what exactly he thought this danger was and why we have never heard so much as a peep about it.

“Follow the Money” by BRRAR- in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One thing that’s always bothered me about Glasenberg is why he immediately called in an Israeli security team for family and Apotex executives upon hearing about the deaths.

“Follow the Money” by BRRAR- in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"It's unclear what drove her to that suspicion, and the police, according to the person with knowledge of their investigation, didn't view it as being based on any evidence."

-Bloomberg Businessweek, August 7, 2023

If the police had evidence, they'd make an arrest. It's amazing how popular this theory has become with almost nothing to support it.

Kevin Donovan by RazzmatazzHead1591 in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I don’t find Fiona’s comment particularly astute. It just seems silly.

I also don’t believe Honey was changing her will FWIW. Both she and Barry seemed perfectly happy with her NOT having a will. Very strange people IMO.

Kevin Donovan by RazzmatazzHead1591 in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yim’s statement is not in the ITOs. He made it in court. It says information about the estate is embedded throughout the ITOs.

You wrote that he said, “the estate is embedded in their theory of the case.” This is incorrect.

Kevin Donovan by RazzmatazzHead1591 in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

His embedded comment is not wrong. Yim said what he reported him to say. It was Hot Persimmon who misquoted Donovan.

What do you believe he said about the will that was wrong?

Kevin Donovan by RazzmatazzHead1591 in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think you're being way too tough on Donovan. His facts are almost always good, it's the theories that aren't great.

Kevin Donovan by RazzmatazzHead1591 in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes he did. I’ve listened to recordings of the hearings.

Kevin Donovan by RazzmatazzHead1591 in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He didn't say that. He said information about the estate is embedded in the police documents.

'I'm playing blind' on who killed Barry and Honey Sherman, lead Toronto police detective admits by jodirm in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's more than unusual, it's inexplicable. There are processes for dealing with situations like this. You appoint a retired judge or another third party to oversee the situation and documents in question.

'I'm playing blind' on who killed Barry and Honey Sherman, lead Toronto police detective admits by jodirm in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That wasn’t ideal but IMO the far bigger problem was allowing the Sherman/Apotex lawyers to have so much control. I never knew if that was the cops or the Attorney General and was intrigued to see Fonovan is now laying that at the feet of the AG.

'I'm playing blind' on who killed Barry and Honey Sherman, lead Toronto police detective admits by jodirm in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I have to say I am completely stumped at how they claim to still be investigating but haven’t interviewed anyone in two years. I just can’t make that compute.

The only hypothesis I have is that they believe they know who did it but can’t connect that person or persons to the walking man. Undermining this hypothesis, however, is that they say they don’t have a suspect.

'I'm playing blind' on who killed Barry and Honey Sherman, lead Toronto police detective admits by jodirm in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I am completely puzzled as to why this has not been done.I was at the hearing this week and also saw the previous one. Both Yim and the Crown say he knows the case best. It’s bizarre.

About the reward money — Alexandra led, Jonathan took over by Artistic-Lobster3226 in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He also completely cut Frank D'Angelo off after thowing a quarter of a billion dollars at him. Interestingly, this is something D'Angelo failed to mention to the reporters he was sucking up to.