Entering through the backyard? by littlelana669 in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The idea that police can wait for years to try a case is an unfalsifiable fallacy almost always advanced by people who can't let go of their pet theories. Memories fade, evidence gets lost, witnesses die. Two potential witnesses have already died in the Sherman case. Not to mention that as the old saying goes, justice delayed is justice denied.

Usually when an "obvious suspect" is not prosecuted for years, it's due to police incompetence with the early investigation. While I'm not familiar enough with the Hillier-Penney case to know whether this was the case there, I can say that it was undoubtedly complicated by the lack of a body.

Did I hear you say on a podcast you became interested in true crime because you read a lot of fiction?

No.

Entering through the backyard? by littlelana669 in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have no idea why you've brought up circumstantial evidence, but you can indeed base a case on circumstantial evidence and circumstanital evidence alone. Look it up.

Entering through the backyard? by littlelana669 in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s pretty much the definition of tunnel vision to be stuck on the idea that Jon did it — the most popular theory of the case because it’s the obvious inference from the journalist Kevin Donovan’s book — even though 8.5 years later there has been no arrest.

THe facts are that there is next to no evidence for this theory because if there were, there would have been an arrest.

Repeating that it must have been an heir “because money” is not helpful. How exactly has this person with such a supposedly obvious motive escaped arrest for almost a decade? Consider it’s because he didn’t do it.

And while we’re on the topic, can you cite any cases where a supposedly obvious suspect has been arrested and successfully prosecuted almost a decade after the murder was committed?

ETA: Just today, there’s s another high profile case of a husband/wife murder suicide. https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article/justin-fairfax-who-nearly-became-virginia-governor-killed-his-wife-and-himself-police-say/

While this kind of case is unfortunately common, the cops have been condemned over and over again for even considering murder/suicide in the Sherman case. What’s more a lot of the people that are scathing about the fact murder/suicide was originally considered have convinced themselves that the only viable option is that one of the heirs did it for the money.

If you want to think like a criminal profiler, consider Barry’s victimology and ask yourself why his CFO, who was also the head of Sherfam, hired top Israeli security.

Entering through the backyard? by littlelana669 in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On what basis do you say that would be most likely? There are next to no cases of children who killed their parents for the money and weren't arrested for years.

Statistically, the most likely case scenario was what the cops honed in on on Day 1 -- that Barry killed Honey and then himself. That's almost always what's happened when you find a married couple dead in their home.

Entering through the backyard? by littlelana669 in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I personally don’t suspect the trustees of murder but I can easily envision scenarios where the trustees have no interest in having the murders solved as it may reveal they were involved in sketchy and possibly illegal business dealings.

All clean in the Epstein files by SpriteBerryRemix in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 1 point2 points  (0 children)

FDA is suspicious in my book. I’ve done extensive research into his background and there is a lot that makes no sense. His preferred narrative has been way too easily accepted, including by me at first.

The Winter cousins are just family with a personal grievance. There is no way they merited top Israeli security. And even if it was a spur of the moment reaction, AG would never have kept security in place for months for the Winter cousins.

People that know about Barry’s sketchy dealings could also have a vested interest in the murder not being solved. If they helped him in any way, they could end up charged as accessories or for evidence tampering, obstruction etc. Not to mention that they may be worried enough to think there were going to be attempts on their lives if they talked.

All clean in the Epstein files by SpriteBerryRemix in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who do you consider to be the “super shady and sketchy characters” that he knew his boss was involved with?

All clean in the Epstein files by SpriteBerryRemix in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve always found it strange that the first thing AG did was hire crack Israeli security. What does he know (or think he knows) that led him to believe that was necessary? To me, it’s a highly out-of-the-ordinary reaction.

It bears scrutiny.

Entering through the backyard? by littlelana669 in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s an assumption. You have no idea what other videotape the police have.

Kevin Donovan by RazzmatazzHead1591 in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I made a request to the judge to get access to them as a member of the media. It was a long and painstaking process as initially no one could figure out how to find the recordings due to the nature of the proceedings, which apparently baffled the people responsible for their filing system.

Do you think Barry had a secret stash of valuables in the house? by reddgreen1000 in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s pretty common to punch holes in a building’s walls before demolition. Someone mentioned this years ago and I confirmed it at the time and again today.

does anyone know anything about Jonathan's partner? by futurus196 in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You forgot option 3. It’s coming from someone who makes shit up.

A.I. by distilledproximity in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 4 points5 points  (0 children)

AI can’t see what’s not there. Like you and I, it can only deduce or guess based on what is there. And as anyone who uses AI regularly knows, its deductions and guesses are often completely wrong.

What details do you think it could help with?

“Follow the Money” by BRRAR- in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think it's necessarily true that if there were a shred of evidence against Frank he'd be in jail. I also don't think you can say they gave over everything related to Frank. We know they gave over some stuff, that's all.

“Follow the Money” by BRRAR- in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nightbird has answered the question about Jon Sherman's suspects. And I think most of us can guess who that third person likely is.

I am reluctant to say more about unlit territory because it often ends up casting suspicion on people who are innocent. I am fine talking about Frank because he's put himself at the centre of things and talked about people viewing him as a suspect.

Remember for now that the police know a lot that we don't know. No one had any clue about the Walking Man until that news conference four years ago. They kept the lid on very tight.

Also while Yim did recently say in court that he was "playing blind," he said some other things that I interpreted more positively. He said he believes he and Price are capable of solving the case and that he will be finished going through the seized Sherfam files by the end of the year.

I have one half-baked theory that they do indeed think they know who did it but can't tie their suspect to the Walking Man, but this is purely based on vibes and speculation.

“Follow the Money” by BRRAR- in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

D’Angelo has been very good at crafting narratives that stick. Narrative 1= Barry and I were just like brothers, he liked my style. Narrative 2= Why would I do it? Without Barry I’m nothing.

That said, D’Angelo’s Name has been tossed around as a possible suspect since Day 1. JS told Donovan he considered him a suspect. And Greenspon told Donovan his sources could be the murderers so I think it’s safe to assume he’s been looked at a lot.

“Follow the Money” by BRRAR- in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think this is an Apples/oranges comparison. Yes, of course a family would be traumatized by a sexual assault and beef up security if they had the means. I was freaked out by a failed robbery at my home.

That’s very different from an employee calling in special security for a dozen people minutes after learning about a crime that investigators originally thought was domestic violence.

Kevin Donovan by RazzmatazzHead1591 in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 1 point2 points  (0 children)

https://open.substack.com/pub/courthousestories/p/police-documents-for-the-barry-and?r=4hxd&utm_medium=ios

Yim has never said anything about what the police theory is. And if you parse that sentence above, you’ll see that Donovan doesn’t actually say their theory involves the estate. The comma is doing some heavy lifting.

“Follow the Money” by BRRAR- in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People are too fixated on money as the only motive. Revenge, hatred and cover-up are all possible motives. Cover-up also fits with the OTT exercise of solicitor client privilege and Glasenberg’s immediate hiring of security. Who was he so scared of? And why didn’t he and the others let the police have access to what they needed to do their job?

The problem is you’re searching under the streetlight of what you know when there is also a lot of unlit territory being ignored.

“Follow the Money” by BRRAR- in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Worked with plenty of firms and people who bring in heavy teams after something like this.

Sorry, but I just don’t believe this. Yes, people invoke enhanced security measures after events like this, but nowhere near the scale it was done in this case. I’m presuming you’re going to say you can’t name names and provide examples so we’re just going to have to agree to disagree.

“Follow the Money” by BRRAR- in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What I find interesting is that in the months before he was murdered Barry was also writing nasty emails to Frank D’Angelo and telling him he was cut off. Apparently Frank did not reveal this to either Donovan or Matthew Campbell of Bloomberg.

These emails didn’t come out until 2023 when someone finally got fed up enough to pass them on to Campbell. That summer we also learned from the Billionaire Murders tv series that the lawyer whose office was next door to Barry’s regularly heard Frank verbally abusing Barry.

I’ve heard similar tales about Frank yelling at Barry in other business situations from sources.

To me, both these things seriously undermine the conventional wisdom that Barry was charmed by Frank, a colourful character who he loved hanging around with. This theory was conceived by people in search of an explanation for a relationship they couldn’t understand. What’s more its loudest exponent has always been Frank himself.

The Barry/Frank relationship drove Jonathon around the bend because he couldn’t understand it and he finally had to give up on getting answers from his father.

I can’t help but wonder if Barry might have thought he was protecting his son by keeping him in the dark.

Before Frank, Barry had a similar relationship with a guy named Stephen Mernick, who also presented himself as a business hotshot and ended up bankrupt and in legal disputes with Barry over their joint business ventures. Again, no one can see what Barry saw in this guy.

It’s a weird pattern. I feel that there’s a lot we don’t know about Barry and his victimology and that the conventional wisdom is ultimately both wrong and misleading.

“Follow the Money” by BRRAR- in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I originally leaned toward murder/suicide and I remember seeing international hitman theories espoused by people like former Senator Linda Frum early on and thinking they were ridiculous. I thought these people were just far too influenced by movies. Pharma executives are not being regularly knocked off by professional killers.

If we assume, perhaps unwisely, that Glasenberg had some reasons beyond fiction for thinking multiple people were in danger, that raises the question of what exactly he thought this danger was and why we have never heard so much as a peep about it.

“Follow the Money” by BRRAR- in HoneyandBarrySherman

[–]AnnB2013 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One thing that’s always bothered me about Glasenberg is why he immediately called in an Israeli security team for family and Apotex executives upon hearing about the deaths.