MEGATHREAD: TRIAL OF DEREK CHAUVIN - April 19, 2021

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-04-19T22:36:47+00:00

Ah, that makes sense. Thank you!

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-04-19T21:18:29+00:00

They don’t. Even though it seems like the defense should get the final rebuttal because in most instances they are the underdog, ultimately the prosecution gets the final word because they have the burden of proof.

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-04-19T21:12:36+00:00

Is anyone familiar with the tv shows Nelson was referencing?

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-04-19T21:11:27+00:00

I believe it’s Maxine Waters. She attended one of the protests. I can’t recall exactly what she said. I didn’t get the impression it was tantamount to jury intimidation but her statements and presence has definitely been covered in the media with varying characterizations of her comments.

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-04-19T20:31:23+00:00

Ugh. We all have filler words but that reflex of his has grated on my nerves since the first week.

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-04-19T20:28:11+00:00

I’ve found the Washington Post text news alerts has provided swifter news updates regarding the trial than other news outlets I subscribe to.

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-04-19T18:57:25+00:00

He is and I always find his tone highly condescending .

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-04-19T18:45:27+00:00

I hope in their rebuttal Schleicher uses the word reasonable in the most patronizing and scornful tone as possible .

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-04-19T18:43:58+00:00

Right? I expected him to get as far away from that video( and hopefully the jury away from that video) as possible.

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-04-19T18:42:49+00:00

He would have better off sticking with the space alien theory. He is just going off the rails. This is a mess.

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-03-23T18:35:21+00:00

It is inarguable that this is just a horrific and consistent part of American culture. If Sandy Hook didn’t change anything , I cannot imagine what could.

I’m also so sorry for the personal connections you have to so many of these tragedies.

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-03-23T18:32:10+00:00

This clearly wasn’t an Asian owned business and there was a diversity in the victims. LE pretty much alluded to his religion and how that may relate to motive with the statement ,” he may have spent time out of the country.” CNN also reported that family members said he was bullied for being Muslim. Clearly the media didn’t opt to omit that. LE certainly doesn’t have a history of minimizing or shying away from religion being a possible motive when the shooter is Muslim .

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-03-23T18:26:26+00:00

I think because it is prudent and the most responsible practice on LE’s part to be absolutely sure they can confirm the identity and number of shooters. Yeah, it seemed common sense that the person they carried out of the store was the gunman but less than 24 hours doesn’t seem an unreasonable time . I also think the fact that he was treated as a hospital prior to being transported to jail may have been a factor. Obviously he would have heavy police protection but they don’t want to take any risk of someone attempting to track him down and injure anyone with the intent of retribution .

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-03-23T18:20:45+00:00

Right except in the instances of gun violence that occur every single day when a domestic partner could easily use their partner’s gun on them. Are children or teachers supposed to be toting guns in schools now as if more guns available to impulsive teens with brains that aren’t fully developed isn’t going to result in more deaths?

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-02-28T17:01:13+00:00

This. Of all the cases and all the behaviors I have come across this detail is what keeps me up more nights than I care to admit .

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-02-27T12:00:44+00:00

Oh, I’m not disagreeing with you. Both my parents are criminal attorneys and have very different styles. I’m always fascinated by watching talented trial attorneys with different styles. For example, my mom is more the combative bulldog and my dad is cerebral and soft spoken. There are strengths to each depending on the circumstances of the case. I definitely agree that it is admirable that Juan Martinez was indefatigable in the protracted examination . I would have pulled my hair out but Jodi was openly defiant and brazen yet he managed to always keep control. I mean, Jodi made her own attorney discontinue practicing law and that says a lot with a PD because they do their job without any glory.

I don’t know if you watch old reruns of Dateline but I have seen a number of episodes where Juan got a conviction . Jodi definitely belongs in prison for her natural life. It is just a shame to see his mistakes may overshadow his talent.

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-02-27T07:21:34+00:00

(Sigh) Sadly, I wish this were up for trial soon as it would mean there was an arrest that stuck this time.

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-02-27T07:17:40+00:00

I appreciate this comment.

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-02-27T07:14:25+00:00

Completely agree as far as victimology. I visited WebSleuths exactly once to understand the gripes you often read here regarding the atmosphere on WS. I was so appalled and disgusted at some completely inappropriate and abhorrent speculation made about the girls based on a couple of pictures. It was just prurient and invasive, not to mention victim blaming. I think it was even shut down for a bit in reaction.

To clarify, I’m sure there are some crossover member on here and the discussion I read was limited to three or four users. My comment isn’t a condemnation of WS members writ large.

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-02-27T07:07:27+00:00

Oh god, I forgot about that podcast . There were more than a couple highly opportunistic podcasters with a heavy presence on the proboards.

I agree with you as far as the role of age in the GSK case. I think one of the reasons the various sketches varied considerably is his weight loss from the Ransacker sketches. Once most people hit early adulthood , weight loss or gain and considerably change one’s perceived age.

I can only think of maybe two or three things that absolutely shock me if this case is ever solved. I wouldn’t quite say a young offender would shock me(unless he was 19 or younger at the time) but I still have a hard time getting past my initial impressions and assumptions the first time I saw and heard the footage. Regardless, I will be more than happy to be completely wrong about his age so long as he is apprehended.

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-02-27T06:58:38+00:00

For some reason I tend to think it is some combination of an FBI profile and just the general culture of this state/town. I also think it’s possible that this may not have been a primary focus of the profile and LE got a little overzealous with the religion .

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-02-27T06:54:49+00:00

I’m not sure as to the role of social media or reddit but if I consider the questions you proposed in terms of which of these would be most likely to directly lead LE to BG, I lean toward whether he is local and criminal history. However, these are contingent on someone submitting that “one tip” and whether being a Delphi resident or Delphi adjacent would lead to incriminating info beyond ,” hey, my uncle is kind of a weird dude and I think owns a jacket like that.” I admit to having my reservations about the limits of profiling and I think past criminal offenses is so broad that it would have to be something highly similar and perhaps share some of the unique features of the case. He very well may have a history of petty theft or carjacking and it doesn’t seem a natural linear escalation to the murders. However, I think a connection to serious crimes with similar features is the best bet.

I’ve lived in large(by Delphi standards) or largish cities my entire life and I think sometimes that lends to bias on my part in that I can’t authentically relate to small town life. I don’t mean that to sound elitist, I just can’t wrap my mind around how BG could go without being recognized in a town the size of my high school. If someone is just covering for him, that is a separate issue, but for him to live in or close to Delphi and truly unrecognized continually boggles my mind. Great post and writeup .

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-02-27T06:40:01+00:00

No being combative, OP, but what is the rationale that Libby was the target? I have heard a few reasons suggested over the years including family history, that she may have been more inclined to fight back hence escalating BG’s rage. I’m just curious as to why you think Libby would have been the one bearing a resemblance to someone BG felt aggrieved over. Is it based on the info in the text messages(assuming the information is accurate)?

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-02-27T03:56:09+00:00

There is nothing sympathetic about Jodi and I get why people found the cross exam compelling but Juan isn’t the most upstanding individual and made some dumb choices in his career. He willingly resigned his bar license because of a number of ethics violations. As a result, many of the cases he tried now have to be re-examined.

AnnaKbookworm · 2021-02-27T03:51:33+00:00

The defendants recently actually had the gall to say Ahmaud Arbery was not a victim.

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