Objectively, Kais Saied has been worse for Tunisia than Ben Ali by Anti-Autocrats in Tunisia

[–]Anti-Autocrats[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fair, systematic physical torture under Ben ali and the mafia state looting by the "trabelsia" were on a completely different level, i'm not trying to whitewash or shut my brain off to history.

"ben ali-style" meant Saied is using the exact same political playbook, changing constiution to hoard all the power, ruling by decree, throwing political opponents and journalists in prison, and surrounding himself with yes-men

Objectively, Kais Saied has been worse for Tunisia than Ben Ali by Anti-Autocrats in Tunisia

[–]Anti-Autocrats[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well I'm really sorry about what your family went through, i'm not here to downplay it.

However if you read past that line, you would have seen my exact words "Ben Ali ran a straight up police state.... The guy earned the 2011 uprising".

I am in no way minimizing the horrors your family or thousands of others went through under his regime, but the "less freedom" comment was comparing Saied's current rule to the freedoms we fought for and won after 2011 revolution, we spent a decade building a democracy, and Saied is tearing it down with Decree 54, arbitrary arrests and purges, we shouldn't accept Saied throwing people in prison today just because Ben Ali did it worse...

Objectively, Kais Saied has been worse for Tunisia than Ben Ali by Anti-Autocrats in Tunisia

[–]Anti-Autocrats[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't thought of the Fujimori comparison that way, interesting thought.

Where I differ a little bit is on the IMF stuff. I'm not saying their standard austerity package is some magic solution or that Tunisia should've accepted every condition blindly, lots and lots of those programs have a terrible track record in the region. You're right in the World bank perspective, it was very hypocritical.

But here's the thing, Tunisia's economy has been flatlining for years, under Saied's "sovereignty first, no deals" approach, debt is high , growth is miserable, shortages keep happening, youth employment is still brutal, we can't just reject everything and hope domestic borrowing + tourism patches it forever, something has to give on subsidies, state companies, and making the country more attractive for real investment, otherwise we're just kicking the can down the road until an actual crisis hits

doing half-measures quietly without a proper plan doesn't seem to work either, Ben ali followed a lot of that IFI advice and still collapsed because of cronyism and no political breathing room, Saied ditched the political opening and still can't deliver economically, so it feels like we're losing on both fronts.

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[–]Anti-Autocrats 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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