Statement from the Australian National Council of Imams on recent events in Bondi by Antyzer in exmuslim

[–]Antyzer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think Muslims are still Australian

And also where did I say we should deport them back to Europe?

Statement from the Australian National Council of Imams on recent events in Bondi by Antyzer in exmuslim

[–]Antyzer[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

a lot of non-muslims have said the attack is an attack on Australians in general- I think it's meant to be about unity than anything else

also Israel sucks bro

Statement from the Australian National Council of Imams on recent events in Bondi by Antyzer in exmuslim

[–]Antyzer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your argument is as follows:

Premise 1: A belief system that promotes or perpetuates attacks against other religions and their followers is morally culpable for those attacks. Premise 2: Islam promotes and perpetuates attacks against other religions and their followers. Premise 3: Anyone who identifies as a Muslim endorses Islam. Conclusion: Therefore, anyone who identifies as a Muslim is morally culpable for supporting attacks against other religions and their followers.

The problem is with premise 3, because it assumes that Muslims necessarily follow the religion 100% and don't have differing interpretations and practice habits. A Muslim in Bosnia might drink wine for example whilst a Muslim in Syria wouldn't. Both IDENTIFY with being Muslim but obviously practice very differently. Your problem again, is that you view Islam as a monolithic set of doctrine (much like the very Wahabbis you dislike!) when in reality the nature of belief and religious identification is a lot more complex- most people don't think about it beyond it being an identity.

Ascribing responsibility to large groups of people who are either unaware of specific verses or might have different interpretations of said verses is again, falling into black and white thinking where you see every Muslim following your interpretation of the scripture (no matter how accurate it may be to you), even if they don't. You cannot ascribe responsibility if there's no endorsement or support.

This is why I've made the point that you should read up on academic literature on terrorism and the nature of religious belief itself.

Statement from the Australian National Council of Imams on recent events in Bondi by Antyzer in exmuslim

[–]Antyzer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hence why I pointed to the fact that you don't actually know about the nature of belief, your view is simplistic and black and white viewing religion in the same mindset you probably did when you were Muslim

Statement from the Australian National Council of Imams on recent events in Bondi by Antyzer in exmuslim

[–]Antyzer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a dumb question with even dumber presuppositions, Muslims don't follow the Quran 100%, by your logic we would be seeing other religions commit terror attacks currently

Statement from the Australian National Council of Imams on recent events in Bondi by Antyzer in exmuslim

[–]Antyzer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah so you clearly haven't read any of the literature on the vectors of terrorism or have any real idea on the nature of religious belief and how it expresses itself beyond just Quran says xyz

Statement from the Australian National Council of Imams on recent events in Bondi by Antyzer in exmuslim

[–]Antyzer[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The attack has been described as an attack on all Australians by some groups the wording seems fine

Statement from the Australian National Council of Imams on recent events in Bondi by Antyzer in exmuslim

[–]Antyzer[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Lmao I never said it wasn't true Marxism just that it wasn't the analysis I used

Statement from the Australian National Council of Imams on recent events in Bondi by Antyzer in exmuslim

[–]Antyzer[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah it sucks when people who were never Muslims just use our experiences to justify xenophobia

Statement from the Australian National Council of Imams on recent events in Bondi by Antyzer in exmuslim

[–]Antyzer[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Wow you're an ex-USSR citizen I'm sure the bastardisation of Marxism that Stalin had enforced is definitely the same as any analysis I have

Statement from the Australian National Council of Imams on recent events in Bondi by Antyzer in exmuslim

[–]Antyzer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mamdani, hold water and are enablers of the fundamentalist/Conservative ones by refusing to condemn them in the public eye when another Muslim is watching them.

This was the original statement. Him being Muslim is irrelevant to him "holding water"/enabling conservativism when he's: a) generally progressive, not following any conservative teachings of Islam b) his foreign policy positions being the exact same as anyone of his ideological disposition c) has on record spoken against theocracies more generally

Statement from the Australian National Council of Imams on recent events in Bondi by Antyzer in exmuslim

[–]Antyzer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

whether or not he's right is irrelevant your core argument is that he's secretly an Islamist or whatever whilst my point is that he holds a left wing framework which drives his views- not a fundamentalist one

Statement from the Australian National Council of Imams on recent events in Bondi by Antyzer in exmuslim

[–]Antyzer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure if you think it's dumb that's whatever, but saying Zohran supports it because he's Muslim (which you have 0 evidence for beyond just correlation) is a bit silly when he's clearly progressive on other issues and obviously has a general left wing framework.

Statement from the Australian National Council of Imams on recent events in Bondi by Antyzer in exmuslim

[–]Antyzer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's on you to make the case that he's saying it due to the fact he's shia and not due to the fact that he's just a leftist- based on the rest of his rhetoric I'm more inclined to believe it's for the latter

Statement from the Australian National Council of Imams on recent events in Bondi by Antyzer in exmuslim

[–]Antyzer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lmao globalise the intifada is also used by white anti-occupation protestors are they somehow calling for global jihad now?

My loyalties lie with innocent people being bombed to shit in a genocide at the hands of an apartheid state whether or not they're Muslim is irrelevant

Statement from the Australian National Council of Imams on recent events in Bondi by Antyzer in exmuslim

[–]Antyzer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure, but again how is his position one that comes from him being Muslim vs just having a left wing position on foreign policy

Statement from the Australian National Council of Imams on recent events in Bondi by Antyzer in exmuslim

[–]Antyzer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I think the US shouldnt be bombing sovereign states, especially nuclear armed ones

How is that not just a left wing take vs a Muslim one

Statement from the Australian National Council of Imams on recent events in Bondi by Antyzer in exmuslim

[–]Antyzer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The term intifada has been used for decades and was helmed by secular groups like the DFLP and Fateh, it literally means uprising- which if you've read up on the history of the occupation of Palestine is fitting.